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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1650 on: December 08, 2017, 10:47:04 am »

So Haddock and Jake should be cleared, unless there is Godfather or some kind of redirection.

Jake should really claim what game he's from.
No because my role is pretty obvious once I do that.

I seriously doubt the utility of you not claiming is really that high.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1651 on: December 08, 2017, 10:49:43 am »

Chairs and Dylan seem good.  However, based on flips, Haddock's correction, and my knowledge (using me, Jake, Haddock as town), PoE from Night 1 and Night 2 become:

At least one scum in {EFHW, Silver, Dylan, IG}
At least one scum in {Chairs, IG, Silver}

It could be Dylan in one and Chairs in the other. This is also just from number of correct and who he guessed for Red; I'm not sure if the other info would narrow this down more.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1652 on: December 08, 2017, 11:33:34 am »

I'm a little confused as I thought I'd fullclaimed already.

In order of events during the draft/N0 phase:

I got my role (Robbie Valentino from RMM41).
Verified drafting our goal was to play golf (get the lowest point value to get earliest pick in draft).
Verified that as Town I'm not allowed to use the vig stick.
Bid RMM19.
Got draft order 12.
Picked "Loud Voice" as my desired item.
Got nothing for an item.

Night actions:
N1 did nothing.
N2 targetted Dylan (I think I said DatSwan earlier but I was incorrect, apparently - I had meant to target DatSwan but I guess I changed my mind? I feel a bit dumb about this and about not checking for sure before spazzing about it on D3).
N3 targetted Galzria.

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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1653 on: December 08, 2017, 11:35:00 am »

Anyway hope that helps. Sounds like regardless I'm probably lynched so if there are any questions you want answered that I haven't yet answered I'd love to do anything I can to keep helping before that's executed on.

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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1654 on: December 08, 2017, 11:37:48 am »

I'm a little confused as I thought I'd fullclaimed already.

In order of events during the draft/N0 phase:

I got my role (Robbie Valentino from RMM41).
Verified drafting our goal was to play golf (get the lowest point value to get earliest pick in draft).
Verified that as Town I'm not allowed to use the vig stick.
Bid RMM19.
Got draft order 12.
Picked "Loud Voice" as my desired item.
Got nothing for an item.

Night actions:
N1 did nothing.
N2 targetted Dylan (I think I said DatSwan earlier but I was incorrect, apparently - I had meant to target DatSwan but I guess I changed my mind? I feel a bit dumb about this and about not checking for sure before spazzing about it on D3).
N3 targetted Galzria.
Well.

This is consistent, at least.

I hate the last minute change.

Dylan is still a better lynch though, based on my analysis.
Unless he wants to come out and claim survivor or something.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1655 on: December 08, 2017, 11:53:39 am »

Who won slot 7?
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1656 on: December 08, 2017, 11:54:44 am »

@Haddock, is this a correct summary of what you've gathered from your puzzle so far, with all the corrections added?
If you can respond in the next 30 mins, I can play with it on my (delayed again...) homeward journey. I've been trusting you so far because I know you know me well enough to realise that I'll check your working when I have a chance ;-)

N1:
Yellow: ash, Awaclus, chairs
Blue: DatSwan, Galz
White: Space
Red: EFHW, Haddock, gkrieg, schadd, e, Jake, Dylan, iguana, WW, silver

Right colour right place: 7
Right colour wrong place: 7

N2:
Yellow: EFHW, DatSwan, WW
Blue: Dylan
Red: ash, Haddock, Awaclus, gkrieg, chairs, e, Jake, Galz, iguana, silver

Right colour right place: 7
Right colour wrong place: 5

N3:
Yellow: Galz
Blue: WW, Iguana, Jake
Red: Haddock, e, silver, EFHW, gkrieg, Awaclus, Swan, Dylan, chairs

Right colour right place: 7
Right colour wrong place: 3


LaLight-Teproc-EFHW: alive
ashersky: flipped town
Haddock: alive
Awaclus: flipped scum
gkrieg13: flipped scum (traitor?)
SpaceAnemone: flipped town
pingpongsam: flipped SK/survivor
schadd: flipped skum (traitor)
chairs: alive
2.71828.....: IC (but there's some suspicion on him anyway if it's possible he's been recruited)
DatSwan: flipped town
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Galzria: flipped town
Dylan32: alive
iguanaiguana: alive
Witherweaver: alive
silverspawn: alive but frozen
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1657 on: December 08, 2017, 12:08:20 pm »

@Haddock, is this a correct summary of what you've gathered from your puzzle so far, with all the corrections added?
If you can respond in the next 30 mins, I can play with it on my (delayed again...) homeward journey. I've been trusting you so far because I know you know me well enough to realise that I'll check your working when I have a chance ;-)

N1:
Yellow: ash, Awaclus, chairs
Blue: DatSwan, Galz
White: Space
Red: EFHW, Haddock, gkrieg, schadd, e, Jake, Dylan, iguana, WW, silver

Right colour right place: 7
Right colour wrong place: 7

N2:
Yellow: EFHW, DatSwan, WW
Blue: Dylan
Red: ash, Haddock, Awaclus, gkrieg, chairs, e, Jake, Galz, iguana, silver

Right colour right place: 7
Right colour wrong place: 5

N3:
Yellow: Galz
Blue: WW, Iguana, Jake
Red: Haddock, e, silver, EFHW, gkrieg, Awaclus, Swan, Dylan, chairs

Right colour right place: 7
Right colour wrong place: 3


LaLight-Teproc-EFHW: alive
ashersky: flipped town
Haddock: alive
Awaclus: flipped scum
gkrieg13: flipped scum (traitor?)
SpaceAnemone: flipped town
pingpongsam: flipped SK/survivor
schadd: flipped skum (traitor)
chairs: alive
2.71828.....: IC (but there's some suspicion on him anyway if it's possible he's been recruited)
DatSwan: flipped town
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Galzria: flipped town
Dylan32: alive
iguanaiguana: alive
Witherweaver: alive
silverspawn: alive but frozen
This is correct.

Also note my post #1618, where I summarise the "all-possible outcomes" provided by my Excel checking,  and my next few posts where (having discarded 2 outcomes based on their being total nonsense in terms of game design) I reach some more specific conclusions.
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1658 on: December 08, 2017, 12:14:27 pm »

OH, maybe Night 3 has some info:

Yellow (Mafia?): Galz
Blue (Non-Town): WW, Iguana, Jake
Red (Town): Haddock, e, silver, EFHW, gkrieg, Awaclus, Swan, Dylan, chairs

The known correct ones are: Haddock, e, Swan. So there are four more correct.

If Iguana is correct (as whatever Blue means), then one of {silver, EFHW, Dylan, Chairs} is scum. If Iguana is not correct, then they are all town.

That.. makes Iguana look bad. If any of {Silver, EFHW, Dylan, Chairs} are not town, Iguana cannot be town.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1659 on: December 08, 2017, 12:16:05 pm »

I don't think Iguana can be town. If he's town, then he's not correct at Blue, so the four correct have to be Silver, EFHW, Dylan, Chairs.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1660 on: December 08, 2017, 12:29:18 pm »

N2 targetted Dylan (I think I said DatSwan earlier but I was incorrect, apparently - I had meant to target DatSwan but I guess I changed my mind? I feel a bit dumb about this and about not checking for sure before spazzing about it on D3).

This is scummy in a probable scum slip way.
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Point iguana. Not that points really matter with a result, but still.
Igu is town or trying the hardest he ever has as scum.

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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1661 on: December 08, 2017, 12:30:20 pm »

I don't think Iguana can be town. If he's town, then he's not correct at Blue, so the four correct have to be Silver, EFHW, Dylan, Chairs.

I don't follow. Should I just claim?
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Igu is town or trying the hardest he ever has as scum.

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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1662 on: December 08, 2017, 12:34:01 pm »

Dylan should claim. Especially what he did N2. If he has evidence he was jailkept by chairs, that would be good to know. But they could be the last two mafia.
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Igu is town or trying the hardest he ever has as scum.

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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1663 on: December 08, 2017, 12:40:23 pm »

I don't think Iguana can be town. If he's town, then he's not correct at Blue, so the four correct have to be Silver, EFHW, Dylan, Chairs.

I don't follow. Should I just claim?

There were 7 correct on Night 3, and three of them are e, Haddock, DatSwan. There must be four more correct guesses. Galz, Jake, and me were not correct.  What's left is you (Blue) and Silver, EFHW, Dylan, Chairs (Red).

If you are town, then your color is not correct, so all of Silver, EFHW, Dylan, Chairs, must be correct, so they are town. But then we don't have any scum left.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1664 on: December 08, 2017, 12:43:03 pm »

...Unless you are scum.

So are you claiming scum to me?
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Igu is town or trying the hardest he ever has as scum.

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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1665 on: December 08, 2017, 12:44:14 pm »

Obviously.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1666 on: December 08, 2017, 12:45:49 pm »

Okay, I missed something I guess, but why are Jake and WW conf!town?

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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1667 on: December 08, 2017, 12:46:40 pm »

Also, godfathers.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1668 on: December 08, 2017, 12:47:38 pm »

Godfathers are why we should still lynch chairs, not WW, I think.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1669 on: December 08, 2017, 12:48:53 pm »

Okay, I missed something I guess, but why are Jake and WW conf!town?

I have an innocent result on Jake. Confirmed to me, modulo the things that mess with that. I think you should believe I'm town, but I guess you could not believe that too.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1670 on: December 08, 2017, 12:52:53 pm »

Okay, I missed something I guess, but why are Jake and WW conf!town?

I have an innocent result on Jake. Confirmed to me, modulo the things that mess with that. I think you should believe I'm town, but I guess you could not believe that too.

I believe you could be town and that at least one godfather exists that is incorrectly leading you to say I must be scum.

Chairs basically scum slipped.
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Igu is town or trying the hardest he ever has as scum.

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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1671 on: December 08, 2017, 12:54:53 pm »

Okay, I missed something I guess, but why are Jake and WW conf!town?

I have an innocent result on Jake. Confirmed to me, modulo the things that mess with that. I think you should believe I'm town, but I guess you could not believe that too.
I believe your scum
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1672 on: December 08, 2017, 12:55:48 pm »

Okay, I missed something I guess, but why are Jake and WW conf!town?

I have an innocent result on Jake. Confirmed to me, modulo the things that mess with that. I think you should believe I'm town, but I guess you could not believe that too.
I believe your scum

That's just silly.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1673 on: December 08, 2017, 12:57:52 pm »

I don't really understand the point of the experiment thing, but if people know what it is supposed to accomplish, I'll go ahead and Vote: iguana.

I'll go ahead and claim.

I was Ashersky's neighbor, and I'm Wesley Windham-Prince from RMM 25. I have a passive ability called Watcher's Council that confirmed at the beginning of the game that Ash shared the same win-con as me.

I have 3 one shot abilities I can use through the game called Demon-hunting Practices. I can talk to a dead person (for 1 game phase), do magic detection (check if someone was redirected one night), and shield (divide game into 2 groups, can't target anyone in the other group).

N2 I tried to see if Datswan was redirected, but got no result.

Ok, Dylan did basically claim to be blocked N2. But Chairs could have just looked back and found that to claim it. Or he could be a roleblocker.
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Igu is town or trying the hardest he ever has as scum.

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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1674 on: December 08, 2017, 12:58:02 pm »

Okay, I missed something I guess, but why are Jake and WW conf!town?

I have an innocent result on Jake. Confirmed to me, modulo the things that mess with that. I think you should believe I'm town, but I guess you could not believe that too.

I believe you could be town and that at least one godfather exists that is incorrectly leading you to say I must be scum.

Chairs basically scum slipped.

Well it has to be Godfather or something. If Chairs is scum, and Haddock and my result's are all correct (not Godfather or other tampering), then you have to be correctly put in Blue.  Which would probably be a Survivor.
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