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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1575 on: December 07, 2017, 10:57:35 am »

Claim: I am Theodore "T-Dog" Douglas, the Useful Bystander (from RMM32)

I have 5 one shot powers. At night, I used defend (e, N1), track (Haddock, N2) and watch (Haddock, N3). I haven't used shield yet, and I don't know what action it shields from. For a day power, I used sacrifice yesterday on iguana, and I can't use that again. I also have the day power of chat, and once a day I can send a message to someone. D2 I messaged e, D3 Haddock.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1576 on: December 07, 2017, 11:08:24 am »

The results for watch were: EFHW, iguana, DatSwan and Awaclus. I don't know if Awaclus targeted Haddock or DatSwan, since iguana redirected my investigation and all other actions against Haddock to DatSwan.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1577 on: December 07, 2017, 11:28:53 am »

The first paragraph of that should read:

I don't understand your table I'm afraid.
But I agree with your conclusion - my results are inconsistent.
2 yellow 2 white does work for all three nights according to the wrong color numbers (I didn't check the other numbers). But it doesn't work for the flips. We've already had 3 people flip red, so there has to be a color with more than 2.  It's too bad this can't be more useful. Have you asked faust to doublecheck the results he gave you?
Nono, the 2 whites is "there were 2 whites last night" - we've only had 2 scum flip since then.  2 yellows 2 whites last night would mean that overall in the game at the start there were 2 yellows, 3 whites (awa, schadd and gkrieg) and one blue=PPS (the rest red).

The trouble is it's inconsistent with the other numbers - I've gone through this lots of times now and it's too much to explain but I'm fairly certain.

I haven't asked faust, but sure, will do.
I mean, this is an RMM.  My results being screwed with is far from unlikely.  And they're not totally worthless, much is still correct.  But just one piece of redirection or whatever messes with the numbers quite a bit.  (For this reason any town redirectors should claim.)

Wait a minute, didn't someone claim some redirection already?  let me go look at that.
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The best reason to lynch Haddock is the meltdown we get to witness on the wagon runup. I mean, we should totally wagon him every day just for the lulz.

M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1578 on: December 07, 2017, 11:36:00 am »

OK I've asked faust a whole bunch of question about stuff including whether iguana's claimed redirection was capable of messing with my results.

Sorry faust. :P

Will let everyone know, obviously.
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The best reason to lynch Haddock is the meltdown we get to witness on the wagon runup. I mean, we should totally wagon him every day just for the lulz.

M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1579 on: December 07, 2017, 11:48:38 am »


Which would mean 5 scum with a sk. I wouldn't claim then.

Are you saying that you are only willing to claim once you expect that there is only one scum left in the game?
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1580 on: December 07, 2017, 11:49:16 am »

Why are we mass claiming with no order?
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1581 on: December 07, 2017, 11:59:02 am »

Claim: I am Theodore "T-Dog" Douglas, the Useful Bystander (from RMM32)

I have 5 one shot powers. At night, I used defend (e, N1), track (Haddock, N2) and watch (Haddock, N3). I haven't used shield yet, and I don't know what action it shields from. For a day power, I used sacrifice yesterday on iguana, and I can't use that again. I also have the day power of chat, and once a day I can send a message to someone. D2 I messaged e, D3 Haddock.

The results for watch were: EFHW, iguana, DatSwan and Awaclus. I don't know if Awaclus targeted Haddock or DatSwan, since iguana redirected my investigation and all other actions against Haddock to DatSwan.
Obviously anyone who can contradict any of this should speak up.  If noone can contradict it, it's so detailed it's almost certainly true.  Which, assuming this role is actually in RMM32 (haven't checked) makes EFHW almost certainly town.

While people are claiming (totally in favour of a massclaim btw), who's for some good old-fashioned reads? 
Mine are all over the place.  Let me see:


EFHW: strong town
SpaceAnemone: apparently conf!town, now?  I'm still not sure I understand how their thing works.
chairs: could definitely lynch.  Been as lurky as usual, and unhelpful - now that we finally have some flips I'm gonna go look at his voting history at some point.
2.71828.....: scummiest IC I've ever seen :P  I'm not convinced by the "maybe the IC changed alignments" thing.
JaketheBaseballGod22:  meh.  The PoE from yesterday is still doing a lot of work.  I do tend to think that scum would have just fakeclaimed there.  null to mild-scum.
Dylan32: Scummy.  Very scummy.
iguanaiguana: Still reads towny. And I'm still paranoid.  Frankly I have no idea any more, as with:
Witherweaver: I have no idea any more.
silverspawn: I mean.  Probably town, since the freeze.


Here's a theory, though.  What if silver is the last scum/SK/whatever, and the only reason the game is still going?  That would change my approach quite a bit.  And would explain the general lack of kills til just now.


Also.  Here's a thing.  My N1 results:


EFHW - RED
ashersky - YELLOW
Haddock - RED
Awaclus - YELLOW
gkrieg13 - RED
SpaceAnemone - WHITE
schadd - RED
chairs - YELLOW
2.71828..... - RED
DatSwan - BLUE
JaketheBaseb... - RED
Galzria - BLUE
Dylan32 - RED
iguanaiguana - RED
Witherweaver - RED
silverspawn - RED

had 6 "exactly corrects".  Taking out what we know from flips means that in:

EFHW - RED
chairs - YELLOW
JaketheBaseb... - RED
Dylan32 - RED
iguanaiguana - RED
Witherweaver - RED
silverspawn - RED

there are at most 4 "corrects"  (probably exactly 4, unless somehow Awaclus (and the scum team) is yellow, in which case only 3).

So there are at least 2 non-town in:
{EFHW, Jake, Dylan, iguana, WW, silver}
I reckon EFHW is town, silver's alignment is irrelevant.
Things look bad for Jake and Dylan.

I still like a Jake lynch, actually - the way the wagon went yesterday feels like scum very much wanted to lynch NEITHER gkrieg nor Jake.
 
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The best reason to lynch Haddock is the meltdown we get to witness on the wagon runup. I mean, we should totally wagon him every day just for the lulz.

M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1582 on: December 07, 2017, 12:02:30 pm »

Forgot that iguana's redirection thing saved me and killed at least one scum.  And noone has counterclaimed.  Amend my read on him right back to "pretty damn towny".


Why are we mass claiming with no order?
But yes, massclaim first.

I would want an order of:

Dylan
Jake
WW
Space
iguana

But obviously this should be e's choice.
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The best reason to lynch Haddock is the meltdown we get to witness on the wagon runup. I mean, we should totally wagon him every day just for the lulz.

M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1583 on: December 07, 2017, 12:04:01 pm »

Forgot that iguana's redirection thing saved me and killed at least one scum.  And noone has counterclaimed.  Amend my read on him right back to "pretty damn towny".


Why are we mass claiming with no order?
But yes, massclaim first.

I would want an order of:

Dylan
Jake
WW
Space
iguana

But obviously this should be e's choice.
I THINK that's everyone who hasn't claimed yet.  (minus silver, obviously)

Confirming my belief that we absolutely should not be saving silver's life (this is assuming that we even can).
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The best reason to lynch Haddock is the meltdown we get to witness on the wagon runup. I mean, we should totally wagon him every day just for the lulz.

M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1584 on: December 07, 2017, 12:04:42 pm »

I THINK that's everyone who hasn't claimed yet.  (minus silver, obviously)

Confirming my belief that we absolutely should not be saving silver's life (this is assuming that we even can).
The above two sentences are not supposed to be related in any way.
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The best reason to lynch Haddock is the meltdown we get to witness on the wagon runup. I mean, we should totally wagon him every day just for the lulz.

M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1585 on: December 07, 2017, 12:07:56 pm »

Forgot that iguana's redirection thing saved me and killed at least one scum.  And noone has counterclaimed.  Amend my read on him right back to "pretty damn towny".


Why are we mass claiming with no order?
But yes, massclaim first.

I would want an order of:

Dylan
Jake
WW
Space
iguana

But obviously this should be e's choice.

Who cares what e thinks? That order is great.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1586 on: December 07, 2017, 12:17:39 pm »

Except we know Space's role so they do not need to claim anything
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1587 on: December 07, 2017, 12:19:41 pm »

Oh, and e could claim? Not sure if that would ever help us.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1588 on: December 07, 2017, 12:20:34 pm »

Dylan lynch > Jake lynch.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1589 on: December 07, 2017, 12:20:46 pm »

Could we all finish this voting test thing real quick?
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1590 on: December 07, 2017, 12:25:10 pm »

Can you make a list of who needs to do it? Space is VLA til Friday
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1591 on: December 07, 2017, 12:41:58 pm »

For Space, at least, we can try:

Does Space's "zombified" condition (alone, outside of other possible interference) cause their vote to not count towards a lynch?
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The best reason to lynch Haddock is the meltdown we get to witness on the wagon runup. I mean, we should totally wagon him every day just for the lulz.

M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
Modded: M75, M84, RMM38.     Mislynched (M-RMM): None - 42.     Correctly lynched (M-RMM): 101 - 33, 33, 35.       MVPs: RMM37, M87

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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1592 on: December 07, 2017, 12:42:10 pm »

The first paragraph of that should read:

I don't understand your table I'm afraid.
But I agree with your conclusion - my results are inconsistent.
2 yellow 2 white does work for all three nights according to the wrong color numbers (I didn't check the other numbers). But it doesn't work for the flips. We've already had 3 people flip red, so there has to be a color with more than 2.  It's too bad this can't be more useful. Have you asked faust to doublecheck the results he gave you?
Nono, the 2 whites is "there were 2 whites last night" - we've only had 2 scum flip since then.  2 yellows 2 whites last night would mean that overall in the game at the start there were 2 yellows, 3 whites (awa, schadd and gkrieg) and one blue=PPS (the rest red).

4 white 2 yellow N1 and 3 white 2 yellow thereafter also works in terms of wrong colors. I'll have to work out a method of testing right place and wrong place as well.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1593 on: December 07, 2017, 12:45:38 pm »

For Space, at least, we can try:

Does Space's "zombified" condition (alone, outside of other possible interference) cause their vote to not count towards a lynch?

Maybe

Would a zombie resurrected by the insane doctor in RMM5 be able to cast a vote that counts toward lynching someone during the day in this game?
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1594 on: December 07, 2017, 12:45:53 pm »

I don't really understand the point of the experiment thing, but if people know what it is supposed to accomplish, I'll go ahead and Vote: iguana.

I'll go ahead and claim.

I was Ashersky's neighbor, and I'm Wesley Windham-Prince from RMM 25. I have a passive ability called Watcher's Council that confirmed at the beginning of the game that Ash shared the same win-con as me.

I have 3 one shot abilities I can use through the game called Demon-hunting Practices. I can talk to a dead person (for 1 game phase), do magic detection (check if someone was redirected one night), and shield (divide game into 2 groups, can't target anyone in the other group).

N2 I tried to see if Datswan was redirected, but got no result.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1595 on: December 07, 2017, 12:56:40 pm »

Does Space's "zombified" condition (alone, outside of other possible interference) cause their vote to not count towards a lynch?

I cannot answer questions about specific players' roles. The role from the original game would not cause that effect.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1596 on: December 07, 2017, 01:02:50 pm »

Can you make a list of who needs to do it? Space is VLA til Friday

We will skip Space since votes for zombies don't count.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1597 on: December 07, 2017, 01:04:54 pm »

So I get to vote: jake
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1598 on: December 07, 2017, 01:06:10 pm »

Voting order, removing people that don't count:

1. LaLight replaced by EFHW
3. Haddock
9. chairs
10. 2.71828.....
12. JaketheBaseballGod22
14. Dylan32
15. iguanaiguana
16. Witherweaver

So we just need e to vote for Jake and Jake to vote for Dylan. Assuming I didn't miss them.

PPE: e voted, just need jake.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 4)
« Reply #1599 on: December 07, 2017, 01:08:11 pm »

Forgot that iguana's redirection thing saved me and killed at least one scum.  And noone has counterclaimed.  Amend my read on him right back to "pretty damn towny".


Why are we mass claiming with no order?
But yes, massclaim first.

I would want an order of:

Dylan
Jake
WW
Space
iguana

But obviously this should be e's choice.

Who cares what e thinks? That order is great.

Iguana working hard to discredit the IC. I like it
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