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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #275 on: November 14, 2017, 01:09:10 pm »

But I think realistically, doing it as pos 2 (which pps claims to be) is also fine.

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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #276 on: November 14, 2017, 01:15:09 pm »

Actually hold on, there is another angle to this we haven't talked about yet (or I overread it).

If this is the highest value scum role, then scum should want it. Therefore, if town does not have position 1, then it is implausible for PPS to have gotten the item.

I propose that whoever is position 1 in the draft should claim now. It seems low drawback / high information value.

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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #277 on: November 14, 2017, 01:17:22 pm »

And if no-one claims, then the PPS lynch is a fairly safe bet.

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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #278 on: November 14, 2017, 01:34:02 pm »

Actually hold on, there is another angle to this we haven't talked about yet (or I overread it).

If this is the highest value scum role, then scum should want it. Therefore, if town does not have position 1, then it is implausible for PPS to have gotten the item.

I propose that whoever is position 1 in the draft should claim now. It seems low drawback / high information value.

Actually I agree.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #279 on: November 14, 2017, 01:36:24 pm »

But the person who got draft 1 has to have bid for some other box or we would have heard about it by now.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #280 on: November 14, 2017, 01:39:36 pm »

Actually the best slot for town (or at least the best looking slot) is probably amulet, which only works for town. So maybe what's most likely is that town got draft 1 and took the amulet - in which case probably we don't want them to claim unless they aren't holding it anymore because then scum knows who not to kill.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #281 on: November 14, 2017, 02:03:12 pm »

Actually hold on, there is another angle to this we haven't talked about yet (or I overread it).

If this is the highest value scum role, then scum should want it. Therefore, if town does not have position 1, then it is implausible for PPS to have gotten the item.

I propose that whoever is position 1 in the draft should claim now. It seems low drawback / high information value.

Actually I agree.

So yeah, on further thought, I don't agree. Unless the top draft has an item that doesn't give scum a lot of info to share about.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #282 on: November 14, 2017, 02:06:13 pm »

Sure, I'll bite:

I got bid #1. I did not go for Box #3, and I will not claim what I took instead.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #283 on: November 14, 2017, 02:14:46 pm »

So that was maybe the best 10 pages of D1 I've ever read, and sorry it took that long for me to get involved. This last week before Thanksgiving has left me with basically one--maybe two--chances per day to be online, and hadn't had time to compile thoughts yet.

Some of these may be redundant or something, but I'm saying what I think anyway.
I disagree with Ash that faust's answer to that question was a problem or confirmed pps as town. pps very well could have been lying in such a way as to not contradict the game mechanics.

I did not bid on slot 3.

I think iguana has been towny, and I agree with his thoughts about the utility of claiming slot 3. I don't see anyway scum doesn't target that slot, and with their ability to coordinate, are at least somewhat more likely to win it, pending their luck with draft order.

I read the penalty item setup the same way Awaclus did, and could see him thinking that he would be more to likely to force scum to take the shirt.

Awaclus has been more verbose this game than most I've been in with him recently, but they haven't been RMM, so I don't know if this is actually normal for him or not in RMM games as he claimed. I did like his contributions though, and if they were from anyone other than him I would probably be townreading them. Since it is him, slightly town side of null.

Space didn't have the best entrance to the game with the RVS-y type of vote on Haddock, but the explanation of it is plausible. It wasn't a kind of stunt that I remember Space ever really trying to pull, so it could just be making up a reason after the fact.

Sword stick is confirmed broken. It doesn't exist in the game AFAICT. That's a good thing, right?

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I think the obvious thing to do here is that e tells PPS who to kill at the EoD and PPS kills that person.

Kind of looks bad to me. It's as if silver was giving a way that pps could use the sword stick (knowing that he was scum and still could) in a way that would look towny for listening. Later, he says:

Finally vote: PPS

Oh, look, yes, I did bid slot 3. I was draft order #2. I got what I bid on.

This is what one calls a scumslip.
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PPS is scum, got #2, decided to go for the Vig to help his team.  He received the stick, as hoped for, and will use it at some point.  When the claiming for the stick came up, he truthfully claimed it, not realizing that his receiving of the item would differ from the way town would have received it
yes

but shortly after that he backtracks with:

PPS seems almost deliberately uninvested in setup theory. I'm willing to believe he screwed that up.

Really, all that happened between the two were people agreeing that Ash's hypothetical were possible and that it was at least somewhat suspicious, including WW. But then WW says something to the effect of sometimes people mess up, and the next post is silver giving pps the benefit of the doubt.  I'm not sure what to make of it, but it's weird.

Actually hold on, there is another angle to this we haven't talked about yet (or I overread it).

If this is the highest value scum role, then scum should want it. Therefore, if town does not have position 1, then it is implausible for PPS to have gotten the item.

I propose that whoever is position 1 in the draft should claim now. It seems low drawback / high information value.

How is knowing who got slot 1 low drawback? If position 1 is scum, they would have most likely gotten slot 3 (unless they decided to play everything the way they would play town so they wouldn't have to lie) and pps wouldn't have got the stick. If this were the case, the pps would be lying about that, which means scum got position 1 and 2.  This doesn't seem super likely to me, which means town most likely got slot 1. And if they had gone for slot 3, they would have counterclaimed pps at this point.

That last paragraph may not make much sense, but it basically points to a draft 1 claim right now basically just outs--most likely--town who won a good item. This would be info that scum wants. Either to kill or to steal items, depending on what their capabilities actually are.

Vote: silver

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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #284 on: November 14, 2017, 02:16:32 pm »

... and Galz claimed draft 1. Good on you for not actually claiming the item or slot you bid on, but I'm not sure that was a good idea to begin with. Iguana even flipped his opinion to being opposed after his initial agreement...
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #285 on: November 14, 2017, 02:19:34 pm »

... and Galz claimed draft 1. Good on you for not actually claiming the item or slot you bid on, but I'm not sure that was a good idea to begin with. Iguana even flipped his opinion to being opposed after his initial agreement...

Well, what we learn is that Galzria is more likely town (I think, if all the logic holds up). So that is a good thing. More ideal would have been if Galzria witheld this information until lynching him looks like a realistic possibility.

In the end, the items are actually not a big deal. Most of them are one shot things and don't affect the game too much. So talking about them more is good because we can get PoE from it but we don't have to give information about our actual roles.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #286 on: November 14, 2017, 02:19:40 pm »

Awaclus has been more verbose this game than most I've been in with him recently, but they haven't been RMM, so I don't know if this is actually normal for him or not in RMM games as he claimed.

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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #287 on: November 14, 2017, 02:21:41 pm »

Dylan - I like your thoughts on silver but doesn't your read on him hinge on pps being scum? In which case, wouldn't it be better to lynch pps first?

If I'm wrong, can you explain how silverspawn's posts are scummy even if pps is town?
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #288 on: November 14, 2017, 02:27:02 pm »

think teproc is town,
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #289 on: November 14, 2017, 02:30:30 pm »

Dylan - I like your thoughts on silver but doesn't your read on him hinge on pps being scum? In which case, wouldn't it be better to lynch pps first?

If I'm wrong, can you explain how silverspawn's posts are scummy even if pps is town?

Hmm. The part with him pushing the draft 1 claim doesn't, but in isolation that could be misguided town, but still kind of scummy.

Yeah, I guess it kind of does. Even if I'm right, lynching silver based only on that stuff sort of includes an assumption that pps is scum. Guess I'll unvote for now. Need to reread pps next time I'm able to get on in this case, but lunch is over.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #290 on: November 14, 2017, 02:30:37 pm »

Sure, I'll bite:

I got bid #1. I did not go for Box #3, and I will not claim what I took instead.

interesting. that makes the PPS lynch less obvious. It also gives you some town cred.

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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #291 on: November 14, 2017, 02:31:16 pm »

think teproc is town,

Are you even reading the same game I am? Teproc obv scum. Like, MOD confirmed.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #292 on: November 14, 2017, 02:31:34 pm »

can't think right now I; will respond to dylan later.

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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #293 on: November 14, 2017, 02:34:54 pm »

Convinced Galz got #17 in the draft.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #294 on: November 14, 2017, 02:46:16 pm »

Convinced Galz got #17 in the draft.

And up is down, left is right, yes is no. We get it.
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SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #295 on: November 14, 2017, 03:00:09 pm »

Convinced Galz got #17 in the draft.

And up is down, left is right, yes is no. We get it.

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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #296 on: November 14, 2017, 03:45:59 pm »

Convinced Galz got #17 in the draft.

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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #297 on: November 14, 2017, 03:56:01 pm »

also what did we learn from this?

He was pick 1, so he went station 8. duh.
or he is lying.

So... nothing?


We need to establish some like rules before random claims keep happening because I feel like all we are doing is giving skum free shit.
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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #298 on: November 14, 2017, 04:00:36 pm »

I think you misunderstood some things (@Dylan)

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It's as if silver was giving a way that pps could use the sword stick (knowing that he was scum and still could) in a way that would look towny for listening. Later, he says:
wat?

I didn't know at the time that the item didn't work for town.  Thinking it does, I suggested a way to use it.

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but shortly after that he backtracks with:
No; I don't backgrack there, I double down. Screwing up doesn't imply PPS is town; rather the scum slip consists of PPS screwing up. I'm saying I think he might have screwed up and thereby scumsliped.

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How is knowing who got slot 1 low drawback?
That is like asking why is it not bad to shower. Why would it be bad? I only asked to claim one position, not the item. So exlaim to me why that is bad if you think it is.

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If position 1 is scum, they would have most likely gotten slot 3 (unless they decided to play everything the way they would play town so they wouldn't have to lie) and pps wouldn't have got the stick.
Yes, that is why claiming that is good.

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If this were the case, the pps would be lying about that, which means scum got position 1 and 2.
No; that narrative only requires scum to have gotten position 2. Position 1 could have gone to town.

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Re: RMM47: Rewind Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #299 on: November 14, 2017, 04:04:13 pm »

also what did we learn from this?

He was pick 1, so he went station 8. duh.
or he is lying.

So... nothing?


We need to establish some like rules before random claims keep happening because I feel like all we are doing is giving skum free shit.

You should do town a favor and stop speculating on what I bid for. Absolutely no good will come from this.
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20
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