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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #725 on: November 16, 2017, 02:56:27 am »

#96: e being self-aware, hm.

#140: Nevermind, e is town again.

#236: e oppoing up again to say not much, which reminds me he should have been more of a presence. Town points from earlier are officially rescinded.

#300: A wild e re-appears ! Self-aware again. Weird. Maybe scummy, especially because there's no follow-up to "I sure haven't been doing much this game !". Paraphrasing.

#349: More of e saying "oh noes I'm not doing anything that's bad" and still not doing anything. I do not care for it, at all.

e still trying to lynch IDPTG at this point ? Ugh.

#530: e finally accepting that it's Andrew v Dylan, picks Dylan. Definitely doesn't feel partner-y to Andrew either, but fits the bill of scum being present to ensure a lynch goes through and trying to play truthtfully in the meantime. It's a very strange move for town!e to try for an IDPTG wagon for so long here.

Done for now. e is the scummiest player in the game by a fair margin so far.
And there we have it. It seems 50% based on e not being active (but of course me proposing a lurker lynch was *gasp* awful), and 50% on him trying out a different wagon which doesn't work out and close to deadline he decides on one of the main wagon. Both of which are the exact behaviours he showed in M108, as town. Here is a vote 1.5 minutes prior to deadline from that game:

Vote: space

So I ask, how is this scummy?

Just to the last part - E! last minute voted for Space at the EOD in 108 and Space was skum. Therefore, not skummy. Now he votes for Dylan last minute-ish in this game at EOD1 and Dylan flipped town. Not saying people don't make mistakes.. but THAT is how it is skummy.
I would prefer if you let Teproc answer the questions I posed for him.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #726 on: November 16, 2017, 02:57:50 am »

#96: e being self-aware, hm.

#140: Nevermind, e is town again.

#236: e oppoing up again to say not much, which reminds me he should have been more of a presence. Town points from earlier are officially rescinded.

#300: A wild e re-appears ! Self-aware again. Weird. Maybe scummy, especially because there's no follow-up to "I sure haven't been doing much this game !". Paraphrasing.

#349: More of e saying "oh noes I'm not doing anything that's bad" and still not doing anything. I do not care for it, at all.

e still trying to lynch IDPTG at this point ? Ugh.

#530: e finally accepting that it's Andrew v Dylan, picks Dylan. Definitely doesn't feel partner-y to Andrew either, but fits the bill of scum being present to ensure a lynch goes through and trying to play truthtfully in the meantime. It's a very strange move for town!e to try for an IDPTG wagon for so long here.

Done for now. e is the scummiest player in the game by a fair margin so far.
And there we have it. It seems 50% based on e not being active (but of course me proposing a lurker lynch was *gasp* awful), and 50% on him trying out a different wagon which doesn't work out and close to deadline he decides on one of the main wagon. Both of which are the exact behaviours he showed in M108, as town. Here is a vote 1.5 minutes prior to deadline from that game:

Vote: space

So I ask, how is this scummy?

Just to the last part - E! last minute voted for Space at the EOD in 108 and Space was skum. Therefore, not skummy. Now he votes for Dylan last minute-ish in this game at EOD1 and Dylan flipped town. Not saying people don't make mistakes.. but THAT is how it is skummy.
I would prefer if you let Teproc answer the questions I posed for him.

He can still answer.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
« Reply #727 on: November 16, 2017, 02:58:42 am »

I'd do Andrew as Neighborizer.

So that is a no to establishing the order then?
I don't think there is anything to be gained from establishing an order. Everyone should just name their target in their next post, and perhaps a secondary target in case their first choice gets lynched.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
« Reply #728 on: November 16, 2017, 02:59:27 am »

So, like:

First choice: Andrew
Sceond choice: Awaclus.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
« Reply #729 on: November 16, 2017, 03:03:13 am »

First Choice: XXR
Second Choice: Faust
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #730 on: November 16, 2017, 03:06:26 am »

I would prefer if you let Teproc answer the questions I posed for him.

He can still answer.
I know. But now you have given him something he can build upon. Or alternatvely, you have influenced what he will say. If you had not answered, he would have to come up with an answer all on his own; it gives more insight that way. Usually, when I ask someone a question, it is because I think the answer of that particular player to that particular question will help me determine their alignment. Once other people start to answer, it all gets watered down.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #731 on: November 16, 2017, 03:08:12 am »

I would prefer if you let Teproc answer the questions I posed for him.

He can still answer.
I know. But now you have given him something he can build upon. Or alternatvely, you have influenced what he will say. If you had not answered, he would have to come up with an answer all on his own; it gives more insight that way. Usually, when I ask someone a question, it is because I think the answer of that particular player to that particular question will help me determine their alignment. Once other people start to answer, it all gets watered down.

Ah well that is fair enough. Too late on this one sorry, but i will respect that going forward.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
« Reply #732 on: November 16, 2017, 05:22:38 am »

First choice: faust
Second choice: Space

Lots of rereading still to get done (tomorrow is the day! Probably), for now I will say DatSwan has shot up to the top of my townreads. The entire response post to Teproc reeks of townliness. It's all either stuff I agree with or stuff that I agree would come from the mouth/fingers of townSwan (Twan?)

I'll explain now the 'patience' I had with him day 1: In 105, he found a way to make that post (specifically, the one where he claimed VT) that let me know beyond shadows of doubt that he was town, despite other people scumreading it. Based on a cursory, occasional lookthrough of 108 (I had nothing else to do, I was bored in class!), I never saw that same "Guys, I'm town!" post. So my approach coming into this game was he would start null, and would inch towards scum the longer the game went on and the more often he was unable to write the town post. Hence, why I didn't want to vote him D1 (he made a grand total of 1 post on D1 in 105 so I didn't have much to compare to) and why I didn't want to say why I didn't want to vote him (in case that gave him inspiration on how to craft a townpost). But I think he's done a good job recently with quick accurate responses that match exactly what I'm thinking and seem genuine. With all due respect to Swan, I don't imagine he's capable of this as scum.

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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
« Reply #733 on: November 16, 2017, 10:32:04 am »

First: Faust
Second: Space
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
« Reply #734 on: November 16, 2017, 11:23:47 am »

Aww, everyone wants to be neighbors with me!
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
« Reply #735 on: November 16, 2017, 11:27:26 am »

First choice: IDPTG
Second choice: Datswan
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
« Reply #736 on: November 16, 2017, 11:34:25 am »

First choice: Faust
Second choice: Swan
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
« Reply #737 on: November 16, 2017, 12:00:56 pm »

e, gkrieg: Since you are clearly around, want to contribute some more? What do you think of Teproc's opening post?
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
« Reply #738 on: November 16, 2017, 01:59:21 pm »

Is it more powerful to create two ICs using the Neighbourizer, or to out a definite scum? I'm guessing the former, but I'm not totally convinced.

For people picking a scumread to neighbourize, then presumably the expectation is that you die in the night, thus revealing that your top pick was evil. In the meantime, scum gets an NK. Then on D3, town presumably uses the lunch to take out the exposed scum, and then at night the remaining scum get another NK. That's quite an expensive way of performing a one-for-one trade, though it might be worth it to take a strong scum player (i.e. faust) out of the game.

For people picking a townread, presumably we're looking at having two ICs, like masons, except that one of them can be specifically picked to be a strong player. I'm never that convinced about the utility of having a separate communication channel, but having two players who can't possibly be scum is pretty huge.

I like gkrieg's track record with reads in general (he was picking faust out as scum in the speccy in the game where faust and I were scum), and he's not posted enough for me to have made up my mind about his alignment, so I think he's going to be my top pick. I need to re-read him to be sure, but tonight I'm organising a work social, so I'm not sure how much reading time I'll have. My second pick is probably faust, though e is vocal and involved enough that I might swing that way, depending on how my faust re-read feels.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
« Reply #739 on: November 16, 2017, 02:02:04 pm »

town presumably uses the lunch to take out the exposed scum
Nasty!
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
« Reply #740 on: November 16, 2017, 02:15:21 pm »

First choice: Faust
Second choice: SpaceAnemone
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
« Reply #741 on: November 16, 2017, 02:23:24 pm »

First choice: DatSwan
Second choice: gkrieg

What's the point of this again?
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
« Reply #742 on: November 16, 2017, 02:35:19 pm »

First choice: DatSwan
Second choice: gkrieg

What's the point of this again?

So that if the neighborizer dies, we know who they targeted.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
« Reply #743 on: November 16, 2017, 03:07:36 pm »

First choice: DatSwan
Second choice: gkrieg

What's the point of this again?

So that if the neighborizer dies, we know who they targeted.

And why is that important?
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
« Reply #744 on: November 16, 2017, 03:08:36 pm »

First choice: DatSwan
Second choice: gkrieg

What's the point of this again?

So that if the neighborizer dies, we know who they targeted.

And why is that important?
It's a weak Neigborizer, so if they target scum, they die.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
« Reply #745 on: November 16, 2017, 03:23:10 pm »

First choice: DatSwan
Second choice: gkrieg

What's the point of this again?

So that if the neighborizer dies, we know who they targeted.

And why is that important?
It's a weak Neigborizer, so if they target scum, they die.

Ah.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
« Reply #746 on: November 16, 2017, 03:54:03 pm »

I'd pick Teproc or gkrieg.

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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
« Reply #747 on: November 16, 2017, 04:10:49 pm »

First choice: DatSwan
Second choice: gkrieg

What's the point of this again?

So that if the neighborizer dies, we know who they targeted.

And why is that important?
It's a weak Neigborizer, so if they target scum, they die.

Ah.
But you don't have to participate, now everyone knows it's not you anyway...
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
« Reply #748 on: November 16, 2017, 04:46:06 pm »

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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 2 !)
« Reply #749 on: November 16, 2017, 04:46:26 pm »

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