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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #400 on: November 08, 2017, 12:28:26 pm »

Vote count 1.5

AndrewisFTTW (3): SpaceAnemone, Skumpy, DatSwan
LaLight (1): Galzria
Dylan32 (2): faust, LaLight
SpaceAnemone (1): gkrieg13
faust (3): Xxraptorslayer96, Awaclus, Dylan32
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Xxraptorslayer96 (1): IDontPlayThisGame
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with 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. day 1 ends wednesday, november 8th at 21:00 forum time, in 8 and a half hours.

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by the way, is Dylan still VLA or what? I thought this is over now?

dylan is not VLA at present
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #401 on: November 08, 2017, 12:31:31 pm »

Dylan... Disregarding his own "I'm less active as town" comment, I won't lynch on VLA. As Faust notes, he would've  been VLA as town or scum, so you're at best a coin flip here, and one that's weighted town at that. Additionally, because he's been VLA, regardless of what he flips you're getting limited interaction information.
Seriously though, you are choosing to ignore the fact that Dylan has posts, and these posts are all scummy.

He has 4 posts made beyond 10 minutes ago (6 total now).

The first post was RVS, start of game. The second post was answering a question of mine during a slow moving portion of the game.

The other two posts are the only thing that could be referred to as scummy, as they're reads posts - and as I generally am reading the game the same as he is, I don't disagree with him, I don't find them scummy.

Further, if you look at what you've picked apart in them, it's essentially to question his VLA because he noted that he would probably be less active as town than scum - as he was VLA, that's an irrelevant defense from him (as you noted), and is also an irrelevant case from you (as I noted).
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #402 on: November 08, 2017, 12:34:08 pm »

And for what it's worth faust, we were partners in my first scum game. If a scum is ever going to have a hard time making up reads, it would be their first one, right? It would, and yet that wasn't the case for me. I made it to the end of the game and not once did people think I was having a hard time making up reads. Why you might ask? Because for me as scum, I know that I am free to say whatever the heck I want with just a little bit of reasoning and there is no reason my reads have to be right or not. As town, reads need to be right more than they are wrong if town is going to win. So as town I feel more pressure to have stuff that backs up my reads and end up struggling to figure out what to say.
I'm confused. Who said you have a hard time making up reads?
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #403 on: November 08, 2017, 12:36:59 pm »

While you're here, could you answer the following question?

@Raptor- what did you mean by the following sentence?
Faust- . . .Scummy to push for a bus with no reasoning.

Didn't i already answer this? regardless. I'm referring to this post

Well okay, if you don't have reads, just vote Dylan. That way at least you'll do something helpful.

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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #404 on: November 08, 2017, 12:38:00 pm »

Further, if you look at what you've picked apart in them, it's essentially to question his VLA because he noted that he would probably be less active as town than scum - as he was VLA, that's an irrelevant defense from him (as you noted), and is also an irrelevant case from you (as I noted).
That is absolutely not what I said. I did not question his VLA, I pointed out that he tried to defend himself by being disingenuous about his VLA. The rest of my read is harder to explain, it may be that his reads feel wrong, they feel geared towards making them seem townie. For example in his third post he mentioned something about Awaclus, that never came back up or did anything, but it sure had people go "uh the guy keeps things secret, he must be town!"
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #405 on: November 08, 2017, 12:40:03 pm »

I will be able to check in here for maybe 4 more hours and then I'll be gone. Anyone willing to convince me on another lynch should better do so fast.

Why Dylan over Raptor at this point?
Because I think Raptor is not particularly scummy. What you pointed out is annoying, sure, but I actually think he would present better reasoning as scum.

Because he obviously did so in 105, his only other game, where he was scum.
I suppose that's right. He might try to play better as scum... but then again, he might not.

But looking at the vote count, there are two scummy people + Raptor on my wagon. They can't all be scum, so Raptor seems townier from this.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #406 on: November 08, 2017, 12:52:12 pm »

While you're here, could you answer the following question?

@Raptor- what did you mean by the following sentence?
Faust- . . .Scummy to push for a bus with no reasoning.

Didn't i already answer this? regardless. I'm referring to this post

Well okay, if you don't have reads, just vote Dylan. That way at least you'll do something helpful.

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Why bus?

I will be able to check in here for maybe 4 more hours and then I'll be gone. Anyone willing to convince me on another lynch should better do so fast.

Why Dylan over Raptor at this point?
Because I think Raptor is not particularly scummy. What you pointed out is annoying, sure, but I actually think he would present better reasoning as scum.

Because he obviously did so in 105, his only other game, where he was scum.
I suppose that's right. He might try to play better as scum... but then again, he might not.

I read his posts from the game. He was more verbose, certainly, but I don't feel the reasoning was any better.

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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #407 on: November 08, 2017, 12:52:55 pm »

Further, if you look at what you've picked apart in them, it's essentially to question his VLA because he noted that he would probably be less active as town than scum - as he was VLA, that's an irrelevant defense from him (as you noted), and is also an irrelevant case from you (as I noted).
That is absolutely not what I said. I did not question his VLA, I pointed out that he tried to defend himself by being disingenuous about his VLA.

I think we're essentially seeing and saying the same thing on this. I get your argument regarding his saying "I'm more town because I've posted less" being an irrelevant defense because if he was VLA, that is in no way alignment indicative. As such, such a defense from him carriers no merit.

Your argument is that his use of that defense is scummy, when his defense should simply be "I was VLA. Your argument is that he shouldn't be trying to make us think this posting style is similar to town!Dylan, when this posting style should be most similar to VLA!Dylan, which is not alignment indicative.

I get all that. The way you posted definitely read like you were questioning the VLA. Not just to me, but to others. That said, there is some merit in what you're suggesting. I just think it leads to lynching somebody who was VLA - and what you get from that is a coin flip lynch, that's naturally weighted towards town, that produces the least amount of interactional information with which to work D2.

That said, I'll reevaluate your other points on him - if you're able to elaborate further, that would be helpful.
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #408 on: November 08, 2017, 12:54:40 pm »

guys, I am sorry for super inactivity compared to my usual play. I got fired and now I am running in huge circles trying to find a job asap, having two interviews tomorrow and making assignments for interviews. There is a nonzero chance I will get one of the jobs tomorrow and fully will be here. Sorry again. Still fine with Dylan vote especially after

I'm trying to find a reason to vote for someone else, but nothing is sticking out.

super scummy. I feel very same when I am scum.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #409 on: November 08, 2017, 12:54:59 pm »

Wild theory: "bus" was a scumslip from raptor. Scum!faust is busing scum!Dylan because he doesn't think Dylan will actually get lynched and if he does, hey, faust found scum!

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« Reply #410 on: November 08, 2017, 12:55:33 pm »

I will be able to check in here for maybe 4 more hours and then I'll be gone. Anyone willing to convince me on another lynch should better do so fast.

Why Dylan over Raptor at this point?
Because I think Raptor is not particularly scummy. What you pointed out is annoying, sure, but I actually think he would present better reasoning as scum.

Because he obviously did so in 105, his only other game, where he was scum.
I suppose that's right. He might try to play better as scum... but then again, he might not.

But looking at the vote count, there are two scummy people + Raptor on my wagon. They can't all be scum, so Raptor seems townier from this.

Why can't they all be scum?
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Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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Total Wins: 30
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #411 on: November 08, 2017, 12:55:37 pm »

While you're here, could you answer the following question?

@Raptor- what did you mean by the following sentence?
Faust- . . .Scummy to push for a bus with no reasoning.

Didn't i already answer this? regardless. I'm referring to this post

Well okay, if you don't have reads, just vote Dylan. That way at least you'll do something helpful.

PPE 1

Why bus?

I will be able to check in here for maybe 4 more hours and then I'll be gone. Anyone willing to convince me on another lynch should better do so fast.

Why Dylan over Raptor at this point?
Because I think Raptor is not particularly scummy. What you pointed out is annoying, sure, but I actually think he would present better reasoning as scum.

Because he obviously did so in 105, his only other game, where he was scum.
I suppose that's right. He might try to play better as scum... but then again, he might not.

I read his posts from the game. He was more verbose, certainly, but I don't feel the reasoning was any better.

I am not sure if it is me but clearly Raptor mixes up the terminology
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« Reply #412 on: November 08, 2017, 12:56:00 pm »

Wild theory: "bus" was a scumslip from raptor. Scum!faust is busing scum!Dylan because he doesn't think Dylan will actually get lynched and if he does, hey, faust found scum!

Ha. Was just about to post this.
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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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« Reply #413 on: November 08, 2017, 12:56:40 pm »

hm, after looking at vote count, what's up with Andrew wagon? I missed why people are voting him at all
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« Reply #414 on: November 08, 2017, 12:57:12 pm »

Wild theory: "bus" was a scumslip from raptor. Scum!faust is busing scum!Dylan because he doesn't think Dylan will actually get lynched and if he does, hey, faust found scum!

I don't believe it
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« Reply #415 on: November 08, 2017, 12:57:47 pm »

Wild theory: "bus" was a scumslip from raptor. Scum!faust is busing scum!Dylan because he doesn't think Dylan will actually get lynched and if he does, hey, faust found scum!

I don't believe it

Why
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Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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Total Wins: 30
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« Reply #416 on: November 08, 2017, 12:58:18 pm »

oh shit deadline is soon. I will be here at... some times in next 4-5 hours. I am rehearsing the presentation currently
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« Reply #417 on: November 08, 2017, 12:58:21 pm »

While you're here, could you answer the following question?

@Raptor- what did you mean by the following sentence?
Faust- . . .Scummy to push for a bus with no reasoning.

Didn't i already answer this? regardless. I'm referring to this post

Well okay, if you don't have reads, just vote Dylan. That way at least you'll do something helpful.

PPE 1

Why bus?

I will be able to check in here for maybe 4 more hours and then I'll be gone. Anyone willing to convince me on another lynch should better do so fast.

Why Dylan over Raptor at this point?
Because I think Raptor is not particularly scummy. What you pointed out is annoying, sure, but I actually think he would present better reasoning as scum.

Because he obviously did so in 105, his only other game, where he was scum.
I suppose that's right. He might try to play better as scum... but then again, he might not.

I read his posts from the game. He was more verbose, certainly, but I don't feel the reasoning was any better.

I am not sure if it is me but clearly Raptor mixes up the terminology

Why
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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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« Reply #418 on: November 08, 2017, 12:58:30 pm »

I'll be away for a little, but I'll come back.

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« Reply #419 on: November 08, 2017, 12:58:56 pm »

oh shit deadline is soon. I will be here at... some times in next 4-5 hours. I am rehearsing the presentation currently

10 hours
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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #420 on: November 08, 2017, 12:59:23 pm »

Wild theory: "bus" was a scumslip from raptor. Scum!faust is busing scum!Dylan because he doesn't think Dylan will actually get lynched and if he does, hey, faust found scum!

I don't believe it

Why

this doesn't happen like this. I don't know. Otherwise Raptor would correct himself up to this point
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« Reply #421 on: November 08, 2017, 12:59:47 pm »

oh shit deadline is soon. I will be here at... some times in next 4-5 hours. I am rehearsing the presentation currently

10 hours

schadd says 8,5 in the last vc
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« Reply #422 on: November 08, 2017, 01:01:23 pm »

oh shit deadline is soon. I will be here at... some times in next 4-5 hours. I am rehearsing the presentation currently

10 hours

schadd says 8,5 in the last vc

Sorry, you're correct. 8 hours.
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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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« Reply #423 on: November 08, 2017, 01:02:44 pm »

oh shit deadline is soon. I will be here at... some times in next 4-5 hours. I am rehearsing the presentation currently

10 hours

schadd says 8,5 in the last vc

Sorry, you're correct. 8 hours.

it will be 5 am at where I live so sorry, won't be here.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #424 on: November 08, 2017, 01:03:31 pm »

Wild theory: "bus" was a scumslip from raptor. Scum!faust is busing scum!Dylan because he doesn't think Dylan will actually get lynched and if he does, hey, faust found scum!

I don't believe it

Why

this doesn't happen like this. I don't know. Otherwise Raptor would correct himself up to this point

ok even if this is a correct assumption, I feel like lynching Dylan is still the best course of action
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