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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #100 on: November 01, 2017, 09:26:38 pm »

Also, skumpy is town
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #101 on: November 01, 2017, 09:31:26 pm »

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TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #102 on: November 01, 2017, 11:30:35 pm »

Townpy.

vote: Space.

That post they made just feels not!Space to me.

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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #103 on: November 01, 2017, 11:52:44 pm »

vote: DatSwan

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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #104 on: November 02, 2017, 01:30:37 am »

Neighbors aren't masons, they only confirm having that ability.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #105 on: November 02, 2017, 02:03:13 am »

vote: DatSwan
So do you think scum!DatSwan wanted to fake a townslip? Or are you just randomly placing a vote that makes you look all deep and mysterious?
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #106 on: November 02, 2017, 02:05:56 am »

Prediction: There is exactly one scum among the three people who just called Skumpy town.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #107 on: November 02, 2017, 02:13:55 am »

vote: DatSwan
So do you think scum!DatSwan wanted to fake a townslip? Or are you just randomly placing a vote that makes you look all deep and mysterious?

I wouldn't place any value on that "townslip" in either direction. It can easily come from both alignments.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
« Reply #108 on: November 02, 2017, 03:53:44 am »

For the 'lot of time on your hands': I don't, but I'm here anyways. Like I said, I'm open to recommendations for a better hobby.

To elaborate on this: if anybody wants to do my homework for me that was due last Sunday, shoot me a PM!

if it's math u need to do it urself because it's important to learn and if it's not math then i don't feel like it

What type of homework and what level of difficulty?

CS. I should probably read the whole spec since it's now over 3 days late. The class is like getting used to Linux & Emacs and that sorta stuff. This assignment is more about learning debugging and some C coding (I guess). As for schadd: I'll probably just look at past students' work that is now up on Github and follow along with what they do, meaning I don't learn it myself. Math HW I'll just be googling, then cramming the learning before tests. Has worked thusly far with mixed results.

Neighbors aren't masons, they only confirm having that ability.

I don't really get the difference. If 2 people claim neighbors, I'll almost certainly believe them (depending on who does it, but even then...)

Prediction: There is exactly one scum among the three people who just called Skumpy town.

(and implied quoting of the 2.7, Galzria, and chairs reads too that I don't feel like copyPasting)

First off, I love how it's gone:
Skumpy: Anyone wanna talk setup?
3 people: You're town, AKA, No, now shuddup.

Secondly, well done you 3! Congratulations on quickly realizing what will soon be obvious for everybody and thanks for reminding me how badly my first Skum game will go!

Nextly @faust and the above prediction:
You know what's really annoying? The fact that I agree with you. And the fact that I'm so tempted to vote for you because I don't like it when people agree with what I'm thinking. But I've also got a feeling that you're going to be town whenever I read you as scum and vice versa. So I won't vote for you now (meaning that you're scum, so I will vote, meaning you're town, and now I'm in a perpetual loop). Question: Does this mean you're also giving me towncred? Or just that there's 1 scum in the above 3 (which I'm now realizing isn't surprising since you voted Galzria already. Again.)

Well, it looks like the RVS is starting to wear out and I need to start making reads. I've got a couple suspects in mind. Not feeling like elaborating because I want some more info before I cast my first vote.

And finally, looks like my pledge to not text-wall got shattered after like 5 posts. No surprises there, I expected it. Still procrastinating on the HW, feel free to keep conversing with me! Happy to give prompt responses to any direct questions!
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
« Reply #109 on: November 02, 2017, 04:25:10 am »

Question: Does this mean you're also giving me towncred? Or just that there's 1 scum in the above 3 (which I'm now realizing isn't surprising since you voted Galzria already. Again.)
I don't have much of a read on you either way so far.

I would like to say that I would have made that statement even if Galzria wasn't among the people commenting, but then again, who knows? I would currently point to Galzria as the scummiest of the bunch.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #110 on: November 02, 2017, 04:28:08 am »

With regards to setup talk, I don't think there's much to be achieved. We may get ICs, but we won't enjoy them for long and we souldn't lynch PRs on D1 anyway.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
« Reply #111 on: November 02, 2017, 04:30:24 am »

Already stalling? Dama!


(Deep down, yeah, I probably know it's definitely a really stupid idea to claim now, but talking about that beats RVS. I might like random, but I like the analysis more).


Rough math, but this is where I am at. Based on the 3-sided dice flip thing, we can assume:

4s
1a-1b-3a
1a-2b-3b

5s
1a-2a-2b
1b-2a-2b
3a-1a-1b
3b-1a-1b

6s
1a-2a-3a
1a-2a-3b
1a-2b-3a
1a-2b-3b
1b-2a-3a
1b-2a-3b
1b-2b-3a
1b-2b-3b

7s
2a-2b-3a
2a-2b-3b
3a-3b-1a
3a-3b-1b

8s
2a-3a-3b
2b-3a-3b


20 possible outcomes.
4s are 2/20 - 10% - no skum pr
5s are 4/20 - 20% - skum rc
6s are 8/20 - 40% - skum rb
7s are 4/20 - 20% - skum rc+rb
8s are 2/20 - 10% - skum dc+rc+rb


Ok so... We claim. Everyone tells truth, except skum who all claim vt.
We reveal our roles. We learn what skum has to work with, but not who has what.

Downsides:
1. Skum has DC. 10% chance but still would screw us if we have less than 3 PRs.
2. Skum knows who has what roles.
3. Best/Real case scenario = 3 skum + 7 Town claim VT. Skum then knows the 3/10 PRs we have and we are shooting 3/10 instead of 3/13.

Upsides:
1. Down the road it would make isolating lies easy.
2. We would learn how many skum PRs there are, and which there are.


I think everyone kind of agrees claiming this early on would be a bad idea - but just my 2 cents worth on the matter.

*also I am new to this set up - so if I am missing something plz lmk*


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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
« Reply #112 on: November 02, 2017, 04:58:11 am »

I don't really get the difference. If 2 people claim neighbors, I'll almost certainly believe them (depending on who does it, but even then...)

The difference is that if two people are masons, they are town, so if we believe two people who claim to be masons, they are ICs. If two people are neighbors, they can be any combination of town and scum, so if we believe two people who claim to be neighbors, we haven't accomplished anything at all.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
« Reply #113 on: November 02, 2017, 04:59:46 am »

I don't really get the difference. If 2 people claim neighbors, I'll almost certainly believe them (depending on who does it, but even then...)

The difference is that if two people are masons, they are town, so if we believe two people who claim to be masons, they are ICs. If two people are neighbors, they can be any combination of town and scum, so if we believe two people who claim to be neighbors, we haven't accomplished anything at all.

Neigborizer is weak, so
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #114 on: November 02, 2017, 04:59:58 am »

no, massclaim is a terrible idea
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #115 on: November 02, 2017, 01:23:46 pm »

vote: DatSwan
So do you think scum!DatSwan wanted to fake a townslip? Or are you just randomly placing a vote that makes you look all deep and mysterious?

The first one. He was in M105. If he'd only been in M108, I could understand asking the question, but it seems a bit silly to me here. I'm (clearly) willing to park my vote here for the time being.

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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #116 on: November 02, 2017, 01:39:47 pm »

no, massclaim is a terrible idea

Yes. Although there should be thought D3 of a Neighborizer claiming if they successfully neighborized town as that will create two IC's at a midway/late point in the game - reducing the lynch pool by which to find any potential remaining scum.

There's a thought that they could claim D2 with target choice since there's no Redirctor - thus converting them into an effective cop for the night: But between scum's potential ability to Roleblock them - or simply just to kill them to frame the target - it's really not a great idea.

They could claim now and become a temporary IC (scum would need to fake a long, dangerous game to fake claim neighborizer here) - but D1 that's not really all that valuable.
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #117 on: November 02, 2017, 01:48:36 pm »

As it turns out, the neighborizer is weak which means everything I said about it was not entirely accurate.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #118 on: November 02, 2017, 01:50:55 pm »

In that case, what about having the Neighborizer claim who they're going to target, then if they die, we have either outed scum or scum has killed the Neighborizer which is about as good as having an IC?
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #119 on: November 02, 2017, 02:06:55 pm »

In that case, what about having the Neighborizer claim who they're going to target, then if they die, we have either outed scum or scum has killed the Neighborizer which is about as good as having an IC?
Are you serious about this? This is an awful plan.

What we could consider is everyone claiming D2 who they will target if they are the Neighborizer. But since Neighborizer can't target tonight, it's not really relevant and merely disctracting right now.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #120 on: November 02, 2017, 02:07:28 pm »

Silly me for thinking Awaclus was trying to breadcrumb Neighborizer.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #121 on: November 02, 2017, 02:38:38 pm »

vote: DatSwan
So do you think scum!DatSwan wanted to fake a townslip? Or are you just randomly placing a vote that makes you look all deep and mysterious?

The first one. He was in M105. If he'd only been in M108, I could understand asking the question, but it seems a bit silly to me here. I'm (clearly) willing to park my vote here for the time being.


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"He" is correct!
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #122 on: November 02, 2017, 02:39:17 pm »

also I forgot I was still doing this :P

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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #123 on: November 02, 2017, 02:48:03 pm »

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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #124 on: November 02, 2017, 03:30:00 pm »

also I forgot I was still doing this :P

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