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M110: led zeppelin mafia (guess i'll keep on ramblin)
« on: September 16, 2017, 11:27:43 pm »

welcome to M110: led zeppelin mafia

this game will use borq zop, an invented semi-open setup for 13 players that should also be generally pretty ok

mod: hullo

tags: ash, roado, geekergs

big legged women:
1. galzie walzie
2. 2.71828...
3. Skumpy
4. LaLight
5. DatSwan
6. AndrewisFTTW
7. Xxraptorslayer96
8. chairs
9. Awaclus
10. Dylan32
11. faust
12. SpaceAnemone
13. IDontPlayThisGame

The Rules:

The Golden Rule:
This is a game. Everyone who signs up to play must be considerate of each other, never get personal, and focus on having fun. Once the game starts, having signed up is a commitment: inactivity is just as inconsiderate as rude comments.

The Standard Rules:
1. No communication between players outside of the game thread or shared QTs at any time. This includes passing references, jokes, or cases in other games or threads, whether in context or not.
2. If the game thread is locked, do not post. If you are unsure if something is locked, ask the mod by PM.
3. Direct or verbatim quoting of mod-provided information is strictly forbidden. Paraphrasing is okay.
4. Actions with instructions that do not specify a game state will be resolved in the order they are received.
5. All night actions must be submitted within 24 hours of day ending.
6. Players must post once every 24 hours.
7. Do not edit or delete posts, ever. If you need to clarify or correct something, post again.
8. Invisible text, font size less than 10, and spoiler tags are not allowed.
9. Cryptography is not allowed.
10. The time between a lynch being reached and a flip being provided is called twilight. All players may continue posting during this time, including the lynched player.
11. Dead players may not post in thread or QT, except their Role QT. A lynched player is not "dead" until a flip has been provided.
12. Personal multimedia, such as video or audio recordings, are not allowed in the game thread.


The Voting Rules:
1. Votes should be in this format: Vote: Playername. Unambigiuous nicknames are acceptable, or any string that uniquely identifies a user. Note that the point of voting is, in fact, unambiguity, and attempting to make it unclear to other players (or, of course, mods) which user you are voting for is very ill-advised.
2. Unvotes should be in this format:
unvote or Unvote: Playername.
3. Unvotes are not required if changing your vote from one player to another.
4. You may
vote: no lynch.
5. Lynches occur when a simple majority (rounded up) of living players is reached. Once reached, a lynch cannot be undone.
6. If a majority lynch is not reached by the Day's deadline, no lynch occurs.

The Rest:
1. Bold, aquamarine text is reserved for the mod. Players may not use it.
2. If you have an issue or problem with the game, please PM the Mod. Do not post complaints in the game thread.
3. Mods make mistakes - please point them out gently. If they can be corrected, they will. If irreversible, they will stand as final to be commiserated over after the game.
4. If a mod error disadvantages one faction greatly, the game may be called off.
5. Ask all questions and make all requests directly to the Mod via PM. Questions deemed as "universal" (defined as questions for which the answers should be available to all players) will be requested to be re-posted in the Game Thread and answered there.
6. One prod will be issued after 48 hours without posting in the game thread. Players are subject to replacement or modkill after one prod.
7. All rule violations will be dealt with according to their severity, as determined by the mod.
8. Each player will receive their own QT, regardless of role. Don't quote from it.
9. If the game goes on for 3 days and 3 nights without a lynch or nightkill, town wins.

Deadlines:
7-day Days, 2-day Nights
« Last Edit: December 08, 2017, 12:56:14 am by schadd »
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2017, 11:27:52 pm »

setup

3x mafioids
7x VT
2-4x town PR
, chosen from the list below (no duplicates). each has a number associated with it; the sum of the 3 numbers corresponds to mafia abilities.


specifically, the PRs are chosen by the algorithm:
>flip a 3-sided coin, heads means pick 2, tails means pick 3, wings means pick 4
>if the sum is lower than 4 or higher than 8 try again


N2 weak neighborizer - 1
(N1 ascetic) 3-shot tracker - 1
vigilante - 2
odd night doctor, even night neapolitan - 2
jailkeeper + rolecop (same target) - 3
ascetic double motion detector - 3

...which correspond to these abilities for a scumteam. these abilities are factional, though each needs to specify a perpetrator.

4: naaathing
5: rolecop
6: roleblocker
7: rc + rb
8: daytalk + rc + rb

role PMs:
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welcome! you are a vanilla townie. you don't have any night actions but you are free to participate in any and all legal day activities which everyone knows is the part that's actually fun.

you win when all threats to the town are dead and buried.
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welcome! you are a town N2 weak neighborizer. on the second night, you may target a player; on day 3, if your target is town, a QT will open up which the two of you have access to and may communicate in at any time. if your target is mafia, you will diiiiiie.

you win when all threats to the town are dead and buried.
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welcome! you are a town N1 ascetic 3-shot tracker. three times, at night, you may target someone to learn who, if anyone, that player targeted with some night action that night. additionally, any non-killing action performed on you on the first night will fail.

you win when all threats to the town are dead and buried.
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welcome! you are a town vigilante. each night, you may shoot a player. they die unless protected.

you win when all threats to the town are dead and buried.
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welcome! you are a town odd-night doctor and even-night neapolitan. on odd nights (like. the 1, 3, 5 kind of odd) you may target some player to protect them from one killing action. on even nights, you may target some player to learn whether or not they are a vanilla townie.

you win when all threats to the town are dead and buried.
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welcome! you are a town jailkeeper + rolecop. each night, you may target someone to both prevent any night actions they have from working and to protect them from one killing action. additionally, if your target is one of the other two power roles, you will be informed what type of power role they are (vanilla townies as well as mafia members will yield the result "vanilla").

you win when all threats to the town are dead and buried.
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welcome! you are a town ascetic double motion detector. each night, you may choose two players and learn, for both of them individually, whether that player either targeted another player or was targeted by a night action. additionally, any non-killing night action targeting you will fail.

you win when all threats to the town are dead and buried.
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welcome! you are a member of the mafia. you may talk to your teammates in [qt] and may have factional abilities, which will be detailed there.

you win when you make up half of those alive during a day phase or when nothing can prevent that from being the case.

clarifications:
-the double motion detector can have only one of their detections fail, i.e. in the case of an ascetic.
-the mafia QT is closed during the day, with the exception of the 8 sum of town PR numbers.
-each mafia member can only use one factional ability, unless there are more abilities than mafia members alive.
-what else?
« Last Edit: October 30, 2017, 05:10:36 pm by schadd »
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2017, 11:30:45 pm »

hey-hey mama, said the way you move
gonna make you sweat, gonna make you groove


flavor will be done as a sorta distilled version of fleetwood mac flavor: everyone's flip is just an excerpt of a relevant led zeppelin song, no one has any information about their flavor in advance of when they die/survive
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2017, 11:32:13 pm »

Proast theif

I don't know what you're talking about

setup stuff
« Last Edit: October 30, 2017, 10:33:42 pm by schadd »
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Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2017, 11:38:18 pm »

galzie if i had to i would just edit setup stuff right into your post

uhhh i guess you could edit it back until i moved it to the subforum so i would have to do it after that
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2017, 11:43:11 pm »

/in
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Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (sigh nups)
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2017, 12:23:39 am »

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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (sigh nups)
« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2017, 12:26:25 am »

But actually, this game really should wait to start until m108 or m109 start D3 at least. Well, that's my opinion. Unless there are sufficiently enough people who aren't trying in those other games.
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« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2017, 01:56:52 am »

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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (sigh nups)
« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2017, 04:21:07 am »

/in

Which ruins my productive-procrastinationproof-plan pledge for the upcoming year. So be it.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (sigh nups)
« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2017, 04:46:56 am »

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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (sigh nups)
« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2017, 07:59:11 am »

Babe, baby, baby, I'm Gonna Leave You.
I said baby, you know I'm gonna leave you.
I'll leave you /in the summertime,
Leave you when the summer comes a-rollin'
Leave you when the summer comes along.
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« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2017, 11:56:19 am »

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« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2017, 02:38:52 pm »

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« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2017, 03:32:33 pm »

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« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2017, 08:26:01 pm »

Fingers crossed that this goes better then the last one. REDEMPTION!!!

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« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2017, 08:31:51 pm »

Fingers crossed that this goes better then the last one. REDEMPTION!!!

/in

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Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2017, 01:26:03 pm »

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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (sigh nups)
« Reply #18 on: October 25, 2017, 03:38:53 pm »

I don't get schadd's setups but

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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (sigh nups)
« Reply #19 on: October 25, 2017, 03:40:29 pm »

Rooting for... Battle of Evermore. Or another of the Tolkien ones.
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« Reply #20 on: October 25, 2017, 03:42:09 pm »

heck, why not? /in
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« Reply #21 on: October 26, 2017, 10:05:10 pm »

Fiiiiillll
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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (sigh nups)
« Reply #22 on: October 26, 2017, 10:52:19 pm »

I don't get schadd's setups but

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is something confusing u?

Rooting for... Battle of Evermore. Or another of the Tolkien ones.
o ya ramble on is definitely gonna surface
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« Reply #23 on: October 27, 2017, 05:27:04 am »

/tag

Will join if it turns out I have time :-)
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (sigh nups)
« Reply #24 on: October 27, 2017, 05:51:51 am »

I don't get schadd's setups but

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is something confusing u?

Just stuff like N1 Ascetic which is perfectly clear but I'm not used to.

I don't really know what a "double motion detector" is, though ?
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (sigh nups)
« Reply #25 on: October 27, 2017, 07:54:50 am »

Ah man. The lineup looks too good.

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« Reply #26 on: October 27, 2017, 08:01:30 am »

Setup seems a bit townsided. Vig + Tracker + Neighborizer and nothing for scum?
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« Reply #27 on: October 27, 2017, 08:02:56 am »

Also confused that the Tracker is as good as the N2 Neighborizer here and worse than the vig. I would tentatively disagree.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (sigh nups)
« Reply #28 on: October 27, 2017, 01:12:53 pm »

I don't get schadd's setups but

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is something confusing u?

Just stuff like N1 Ascetic which is perfectly clear but I'm not used to.

I don't really know what a "double motion detector" is, though ?
motion detector targets someone and gets a binary result of [they were targeted or they targeted someone] or [they neither targeted anyone nor were targeted].

double means the motion detector may perform this action on two different people.

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Setup seems a bit townsided. Vig + Tracker + Neighborizer and nothing for scum?
here's a point of comparison
vig + essentially cop + 2-shot tracker vs. essentially 3 goons

scum won in 3-way lylo, uh, n=1. and people who make tons and tons of setups said it was good. so, according to a small sample size and an argument from authority it seems fine. and the setup you mentioned seems about the same strength, maybe even a little weaker for town.

Also confused that the Tracker is as good as the N2 Neighborizer here and worse than the vig. I would tentatively disagree.
ya i'm changing tracker to 3-shot for that and other reasons. but:
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i don't think tracker is all that much better or worse in either setup.
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« Reply #29 on: October 27, 2017, 01:38:15 pm »

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« Reply #30 on: October 27, 2017, 05:43:28 pm »

scum won in 3-way lylo, uh, n=1. and people who make tons and tons of setups said it was good. so, according to a small sample size and an argument from authority it seems fine. and the setup you mentioned seems about the same strength, maybe even a little weaker for town.
Well I think most of the setups we play here are more scumsided than those on mafiascum. I would say the setup you linked is super unfair for scum. I wonder why that is; maybe it has to do with shorter deadlines and thus less place for analysis.

Also confused that the Tracker is as good as the N2 Neighborizer here and worse than the vig. I would tentatively disagree.
ya i'm changing tracker to 3-shot for that and other reasons. but:
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i don't think tracker is all that much better or worse in either setup.
Well I guess my concern was more about N2 Neighborizer seeming way worse than Tracker. I see that has been changed now.
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« Reply #31 on: October 27, 2017, 05:46:58 pm »

scum won in 3-way lylo, uh, n=1. and people who make tons and tons of setups said it was good. so, according to a small sample size and an argument from authority it seems fine. and the setup you mentioned seems about the same strength, maybe even a little weaker for town.
In second glance, the thread you linked seems to be for a closed setup. That naturally makes town a lot weaker, so it's not really comparable to semi-open things like this one.
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« Reply #32 on: October 27, 2017, 07:07:04 pm »

scum won in 3-way lylo, uh, n=1. and people who make tons and tons of setups said it was good. so, according to a small sample size and an argument from authority it seems fine. and the setup you mentioned seems about the same strength, maybe even a little weaker for town.
Well I think most of the setups we play here are more scumsided than those on mafiascum. I would say the setup you linked is super unfair for scum. I wonder why that is; maybe it has to do with shorter deadlines and thus less place for analysis.
deadlines there are twice as long as here typically.

i mean remember that there's the factors of
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>the town winrate here was quite yikes, at least for a while (seems to have been picking up lately?)
>i think scum play here is kind of unsophisticated? like in terms of PR hunting and such. i'm the only one i can remember talking about who PRs might be in scum threads (but also i pay like no attention and retain like 0 data as scum so.)

scum won in 3-way lylo, uh, n=1. and people who make tons and tons of setups said it was good. so, according to a small sample size and an argument from authority it seems fine. and the setup you mentioned seems about the same strength, maybe even a little weaker for town.
In second glance, the thread you linked seems to be for a closed setup. That naturally makes town a lot weaker, so it's not really comparable to semi-open things like this one.
so i changed the setup a bit to closer emulate the gameplay of a closed (2-4 PRs instead of always 3, but probabilistically it's still most likely 3)

however, in practice i think it is less true that semi-open favors town than intuitively. first of all, there is still a lot of confirm-ness in a closed setup: some mechanically (e.g. vigilante), some in a guess-the-mod way (e.g., there are expectations and patterns for roles, see "sin the second" and other related mastina grumbles) and some in an information way (if, for example, somebody came in claiming double motion detector, even though that's kind of not a thing in normals, that's a super risky play to fakeclaim as scum without having that information and if they do have access to that information the meta-element of the claim seeming unlikely to come from scum is factored into the setup balance).

additionally, confirmation is something you don't especially care about as a town PR: the only time it really matters is by the end of the game and you kind of expect (or want, even, because of results) to be killed off anyway by then.

whereas there is some amount of benefit to semi-openness from a scum perspective, e.g. you know there isn't a cop (you're welcome also) so bussing is maybe better, you know that protective roles are somewhat common (but more common on odd nights), you know that there's both tracker and jailer so it's good to have at least two alive as long as possible, etc.

basically what i'm getting at is closed is super similar to semi-open except pretty much no setup spec happens until like D3 which makes it like strictly better.
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« Reply #33 on: October 27, 2017, 07:07:40 pm »

also note: n2 neighborizer changed to n3 masonizer then to n2 weak neighborizer
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« Reply #34 on: October 27, 2017, 07:12:21 pm »

unrelated: @space
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« Reply #36 on: October 29, 2017, 02:09:48 pm »

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« Reply #37 on: October 29, 2017, 03:40:11 pm »

Hammer ? In that case I think I have to /out actually, sorry.
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« Reply #38 on: October 30, 2017, 12:49:48 am »

Hammer ? In that case I think I have to /out actually, sorry.

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« Reply #40 on: October 30, 2017, 01:15:54 pm »

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« Reply #41 on: October 30, 2017, 04:29:15 pm »

it seems as though there are approximately 0 games active so i'll start this when this l@me lecture is over
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« Reply #42 on: October 30, 2017, 05:01:59 pm »

one last change: 8 sum is rc + rb + daytalk instead of just rb + daytalk.
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« Reply #43 on: October 30, 2017, 05:32:51 pm »

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« Reply #44 on: October 30, 2017, 05:41:16 pm »

aight, PMs are all out. the game will start once everyone has confirmed.
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« Reply #45 on: October 31, 2017, 08:33:29 pm »

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« Reply #46 on: October 31, 2017, 08:41:51 pm »

First. I'm pretty sure I haven't played with like a fourth of you all. Let's see what Vote: DatSwan does.
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« Reply #47 on: October 31, 2017, 09:05:41 pm »

Good evening everybody. For those that don't know, Triplets claim for Raptor, Swan and Me.

That said, vote: Raptor. He cracks easily when scum.
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« Reply #48 on: October 31, 2017, 09:08:38 pm »

Good evening everybody. For those that don't know, Triplets claim for Raptor, Swan and Me.

That said, vote: Raptor. He cracks easily when scum.

Okay. vote: Raptor

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« Reply #49 on: October 31, 2017, 09:38:21 pm »

I signed up fully expecting to be Skum, based on both my luck with randomness and my distrust of schadd's methods. So I spent like a month concocting up scenarios to try and figure out what I would do and say as town so I could translate it to Skum play.

Turns out it didn't matter at all.

I've got like 10 other thoughts on my mind, I will stop now because I really want to work on not-wall-of-texting and not boring people to death. Good luck to me and my 9 compatriots!
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« Reply #50 on: October 31, 2017, 09:53:55 pm »

I signed up fully expecting to be Skum, based on both my luck with randomness and my distrust of schadd's methods. So I spent like a month concocting up scenarios to try and figure out what I would do and say as town so I could translate it to Skum play.

Turns out it didn't matter at all.

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« Reply #51 on: October 31, 2017, 10:16:14 pm »

I signed up fully expecting to be Skum, based on both my luck with randomness and my distrust of schadd's methods. So I spent like a month concocting up scenarios to try and figure out what I would do and say as town so I could translate it to Skum play.

Turns out it didn't matter at all.

I've got like 10 other thoughts on my mind, I will stop now because I really want to work on not-wall-of-texting and not boring people to death. Good luck to me and my 9 compatriots!

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I just felt he might override the system and throw me into the fire to see how I'd fare (I probably didn't actually believe he would, I'm pretty sure it was just paranoia and fear on my part).
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« Reply #52 on: October 31, 2017, 11:09:21 pm »

Hi everyone! Don't kill me N1 again please, thanks!
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« Reply #53 on: October 31, 2017, 11:27:08 pm »

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« Reply #54 on: October 31, 2017, 11:27:36 pm »

Also, boo schadd for not leading with Fool in the Rain as the first song in flavor.

i thought of it, believe it or not. i think if i do use it for something i would want to use the drum only recording
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« Reply #55 on: November 01, 2017, 12:35:00 am »

Well booger. Missed the first pagetop already. Doesn't bode well for this game
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« Reply #56 on: November 01, 2017, 12:36:59 am »

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« Reply #57 on: November 01, 2017, 01:26:46 am »

Vote: Andrew

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« Reply #58 on: November 01, 2017, 02:00:32 am »

Vote: Andrew

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Never heard that one before.
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« Reply #61 on: November 01, 2017, 02:24:48 am »

I forgot just how weird Skumpy is. Hi Skumpy, welcome back.

In other news, Andrew and chairs are townie, and Galzria is scummy.

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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
« Reply #62 on: November 01, 2017, 02:42:44 am »

I forgot just how weird Skumpy is. Hi Skumpy, welcome back.

Honestly, I felt I was being tamer than usual there. But thank you! Glad to be able to waste even more time than I already am!
I will now try to put the past behind me and give you the benefit of the doubt, though I'm pretty sure I will vote for you many times again nonetheless. Enjoy!

In other news, Andrew and chairs are townie, and Galzria is scummy.

Vote: Galzria

Didn't we just do this? And weren't you wrong on 2/3?
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
« Reply #63 on: November 01, 2017, 02:51:38 am »

First. I'm pretty sure I haven't played with like a fourth of you all. Let's see what Vote: DatSwan does.

Nice to meet you!

Vote: Skumpy

Can't spell Skumpy without skum....
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
« Reply #64 on: November 01, 2017, 03:12:14 am »

In other news, Andrew and chairs are townie, and Galzria is scummy.

Vote: Galzria

Didn't we just do this? And weren't you wrong on 2/3?
I don't have a problem with being wrong. If you do, maybe don't play social deduction games?
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
« Reply #65 on: November 01, 2017, 03:18:35 am »

hey everyone

vote: chairs
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
« Reply #66 on: November 01, 2017, 06:35:46 am »

Good morning all!

Vote: LL Great to be in a game with you again!

How's things? Feeling scummy this time round?
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
« Reply #67 on: November 01, 2017, 06:42:19 am »

Good morning all!

Vote: LL Great to be in a game with you again!

How's things? Feeling scummy this time round?

hey! I didn't realize you're here! Things are well, never felt more towny. how about you?
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« Reply #68 on: November 01, 2017, 08:15:09 am »

Good morning all!

Vote: LL Great to be in a game with you again!

How's things? Feeling scummy this time round?

hey! I didn't realize you're here! Things are well, never felt more towny. how about you?

Yeah, life is awesome and towny here :-)
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
« Reply #69 on: November 01, 2017, 01:45:45 pm »

Already stalling? Dama!
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
« Reply #70 on: November 01, 2017, 01:46:18 pm »

I thought that neihborizers should claim, but then i thought it’s a bad idea
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
« Reply #71 on: November 01, 2017, 01:46:34 pm »

If there are neighborizers that is
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
« Reply #72 on: November 01, 2017, 01:47:07 pm »

Let’s discuss something even if it’s a terrible idea
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
« Reply #73 on: November 01, 2017, 01:48:52 pm »

Good evening everybody. For those that don't know, Triplets claim for Raptor, Swan and Me.

That said, vote: Raptor. He cracks easily when scum.

Hello all!

Oh the pressure is unreal...  vote: galzria
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
« Reply #74 on: November 01, 2017, 01:49:18 pm »

I thought that neihborizers should claim, but then i thought it’s a bad idea

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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
« Reply #75 on: November 01, 2017, 01:51:23 pm »

I thought that neihborizers should claim, but then i thought it’s a bad idea

I don't see the point in claiming anything this early in D1.

Every setup has something to claim so it would be profitable for us. Maybe not this one though
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
« Reply #76 on: November 01, 2017, 02:00:57 pm »

Well, neighborizers are very low utility PRs. If a neighborizer becomes an IC, that's pretty good for us.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
« Reply #77 on: November 01, 2017, 02:05:27 pm »

Good evening everybody. For those that don't know, Triplets claim for Raptor, Swan and Me.

That said, vote: Raptor. He cracks easily when scum.

Hello all!

Oh the pressure is unreal...  vote: galzria

OMGUS? Good way to find scum.

I thought that neihborizers should claim, but then i thought it’s a bad idea

I don't see the point in claiming anything this early in D1.

Every setup has something to claim so it would be profitable for us. Maybe not this one though

More important than theory talk:

Why are you voting Chairs?
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
« Reply #78 on: November 01, 2017, 02:07:25 pm »

Good evening everybody. For those that don't know, Triplets claim for Raptor, Swan and Me.

That said, vote: Raptor. He cracks easily when scum.

Hello all!

Oh the pressure is unreal...  vote: galzria

OMGUS? Good way to find scum.

I thought that neihborizers should claim, but then i thought it’s a bad idea

I don't see the point in claiming anything this early in D1.

Every setup has something to claim so it would be profitable for us. Maybe not this one though

More important than theory talk:

Why are you voting Chairs?

Rvs and his first post which was weird
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
« Reply #79 on: November 01, 2017, 02:07:43 pm »

I’m open to options!
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
« Reply #80 on: November 01, 2017, 02:12:30 pm »

Roles/Modifiers I need to look up:

N2 weak neighborizer - 1
(N1 ascetic) 3-shot tracker - 1
vigilante - 2
odd night doctor, even night neapolitan - 2
jailkeeper + rolecop (same target) - 3
ascetic double motion detector - 3

Weak - does that fail on scum? Kill you if you target scum?
Ascetic - I have no idea in relation to a Mafia game.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
« Reply #81 on: November 01, 2017, 02:13:59 pm »

Good evening everybody. For those that don't know, Triplets claim for Raptor, Swan and Me.

That said, vote: Raptor. He cracks easily when scum.

Hello all!

Oh the pressure is unreal...  vote: galzria

OMGUS? Good way to find scum.

I thought that neihborizers should claim, but then i thought it’s a bad idea

I don't see the point in claiming anything this early in D1.

Every setup has something to claim so it would be profitable for us. Maybe not this one though

More important than theory talk:

Why are you voting Chairs?

Rvs and his first post which was weird

RVS - Fair
Why do you think Faust found Chairs townie?
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TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia
« Reply #82 on: November 01, 2017, 02:19:25 pm »

Vote count 1.1

DatSwan (1): Dylan32
Xxraptorslayer96 (2): Galzria, IDontPlayThisGame
AndrewisFTTW (2): chairs, Awaclus
Galzria (2): faust, Xxraptorslayer96
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chairs (1): LaLight
LaLight (1): SpaceAnemone

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N2 weak neighborizer - 1
(N1 ascetic) 3-shot tracker - 1
vigilante - 2
odd night doctor, even night neapolitan - 2
jailkeeper + rolecop (same target) - 3
ascetic double motion detector - 3

Weak - does that fail on scum? Kill you if you target scum?
Ascetic - I have no idea in relation to a Mafia game.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
« Reply #83 on: November 01, 2017, 02:22:43 pm »

Roles/Modifiers I need to look up:

N2 weak neighborizer - 1
(N1 ascetic) 3-shot tracker - 1
vigilante - 2
odd night doctor, even night neapolitan - 2
jailkeeper + rolecop (same target) - 3
ascetic double motion detector - 3

Weak - does that fail on scum? Kill you if you target scum?
Ascetic - I have no idea in relation to a Mafia game.
Neapolitan - I have no idea in relation to a Mafia game.

role PMs are relevant!

Weak - Dies if target of your action is scum.
Ascetic - Immune to night actions other than night kills.
Neapolitan - A cop that returns vanilla if target is VT, not-vanilla otherwise.

All answers according to the normal version described on mafiascum.

PPE 1: of course he listed the pms...
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
« Reply #84 on: November 01, 2017, 02:44:37 pm »

Roles/Modifiers I need to look up:

N2 weak neighborizer - 1
(N1 ascetic) 3-shot tracker - 1
vigilante - 2
odd night doctor, even night neapolitan - 2
jailkeeper + rolecop (same target) - 3
ascetic double motion detector - 3

Weak - does that fail on scum? Kill you if you target scum?
Ascetic - I have no idea in relation to a Mafia game.
Neapolitan - I have no idea in relation to a Mafia game.

role PMs are relevant!

Weak - Dies if target of your action is scum.
Ascetic - Immune to night actions other than night kills.
Neapolitan - A cop that returns vanilla if target is VT, not-vanilla otherwise.

All answers according to the normal version described on mafiascum.

PPE 1: of course he listed the pms...

Ah. Well then. I only read the setup when I first /in'ned. I should go back and read those lol.
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

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Total Losses: 20

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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #85 on: November 01, 2017, 02:50:33 pm »

Vote: Dylan
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« Reply #86 on: November 01, 2017, 02:54:26 pm »

Rvs and his first post which was weird
It cannot be both.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
« Reply #87 on: November 01, 2017, 03:01:38 pm »

Rvs and his first post which was weird
It cannot be both.

Second more than first. To be sincere i thoufht “i need to vote for someone” then I saw his post and thought, that’s more scummy than anything before it
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
« Reply #88 on: November 01, 2017, 03:19:58 pm »

Rvs and his first post which was weird
It cannot be both.

Second more than first. To be sincere i thoufht “i need to vote for someone” then I saw his post and thought, that’s more scummy than anything before it

Why did you feel the need to vote for someone?
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Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #89 on: November 01, 2017, 03:24:12 pm »

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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
« Reply #90 on: November 01, 2017, 03:57:54 pm »

Rvs and his first post which was weird
It cannot be both.

Second more than first. To be sincere i thoufht “i need to vote for someone” then I saw his post and thought, that’s more scummy than anything before it

Why did you feel the need to vote for someone?

I didn’t. I like to start game with vote so when the person is scum i can say  i told you
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
« Reply #91 on: November 01, 2017, 06:35:49 pm »

In other news, Andrew and chairs are townie, and Galzria is scummy.

Vote: Galzria

Didn't we just do this? And weren't you wrong on 2/3?
I don't have a problem with being wrong. If you do, maybe don't play social deduction games?

But...I really do hate being wrong....
What do you suggest I do instead with my life? (That's a serious question btw, I currently have no direction or purpose)

Already stalling? Dama!

I never did find out what that stands for. Does anybody mind assisting?


With regards to the setup discussion (because I refuse to participate in these RVS shenanigans):

The fact that there's likely (something over 50% anyways) a scum roleblocker and no good way to find out who's doing it makes claiming sounds reallllly sketchy to me, since scum will probably be able to just shut them down. The new set-up of 2-4 PR's makes things nice in the sense that scum has no idea what's a safe claim and what's not. As a point of reference:

4: 1 + 1 + 2        or 1 + 3                    or 2 + 2
5: 1 + 1 + 3        or 1 + 2 + 2              or 2 + 3
6: 1 + 2 + 3        or 3 + 3                    or 1 + 1 + 2 + 2
7: 2 + 2 + 3        or 1 + 3 + 3              or 1 + 1 + 2 + 3
8: 2 + 3 + 3        or 1 + 1 + 3 + 3        or 1 + 2 + 2 + 3

So anyways, scum's in a tough boat if they wanna fake a claim. Like, it could probably be done, but I know I wouldn't be enthusiastic to try something out. IDK, maybe there is something worthwhile in clearing a bunch of people? If scum's not ready for a massclaim...then again, I think I'm not the person to decide if a massclaim's good. So I'll give up trying to figure it out for now.

Well, neighborizers are very low utility PRs. If a neighborizer becomes an IC, that's pretty good for us.

Why do they suck? They seem great to me, we get 2 confirmed town (not exactly, but you know what I mean). And also: What happens if a neighborizer gets roleblocked?

the action fails; no neighborhood opens, no dying happens.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
« Reply #92 on: November 01, 2017, 08:04:59 pm »

Already stalling? Dama!

I never did find out what that stands for. Does anybody mind assisting?

Nice :-) It's usually "Drunk: Ask Me Anything".

I've never played in a game with you before, have I? What's your experience in Mafia?

So anyways, scum's in a tough boat if they wanna fake a claim.

I admit to not having done as much set-up crunching as I'd normally do here just because I've been busy, but I worry that too much analysis of how scum wants to behave straight off the bat might be indicative of too much of the wrong kind of thinking having taken place already. Or maybe you're just really thorough and have a lot of time on your hands... I dunno yet.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
« Reply #93 on: November 01, 2017, 08:39:46 pm »

Already stalling? Dama!

I never did find out what that stands for. Does anybody mind assisting?

Nice :-) It's usually "Drunk: Ask Me Anything".

I've never played in a game with you before, have I? What's your experience in Mafia?


Thank you.

Nope, this is our first encounter. Greetings! Experience of relevant nature = 1 game (105) in which I kept screaming that I have no idea what I'm doing, then stumbled into a victory. This game will most likely be the same, with the word 'hopefully' appended.


I admit to not having done as much set-up crunching as I'd normally do here just because I've been busy, but I worry that too much analysis of how scum wants to behave straight off the bat might be indicative of too much of the wrong kind of thinking having taken place already. Or maybe you're just really thorough and have a lot of time on your hands... I dunno yet.


For the 'lot of time on your hands': I don't, but I'm here anyways. Like I said, I'm open to recommendations for a better hobby.

'Wrong type of thinking': ...so what is the 'right' type of thinking? There's a setup (that I now think I actually do understand), let's see if anything can be done with it. It seems a lot tougher for scum to come up with a plan than in my first game (which I am going to keep referencing because I have no other good sources, apologies in advance. The "I'm not the person to decide if a massclaim is good" is a tribute to that) because they don't really know what PRs are in play. Maybe that's an early advantage? I'm not totally sure, which is why I'm leaving it open.

(Deep down, yeah, I probably know it's definitely a really stupid idea to claim now, but talking about that beats RVS. I might like random, but I like the analysis more).
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
« Reply #94 on: November 01, 2017, 08:45:12 pm »

For the 'lot of time on your hands': I don't, but I'm here anyways. Like I said, I'm open to recommendations for a better hobby.

To elaborate on this: if anybody wants to do my homework for me that was due last Sunday, shoot me a PM!

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« Reply #95 on: November 01, 2017, 09:16:16 pm »

For the 'lot of time on your hands': I don't, but I'm here anyways. Like I said, I'm open to recommendations for a better hobby.

To elaborate on this: if anybody wants to do my homework for me that was due last Sunday, shoot me a PM!

What type of homework and what level of difficulty?
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« Reply #96 on: November 01, 2017, 09:16:42 pm »

In other news, scum is totally hiding in people who aren't voting yet (looking at you, e)
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #97 on: November 01, 2017, 09:20:54 pm »

Question - since this set up is different then 108 (no drafting) did skum find out about their PRs in like the “pre-twilight” game stage with time to talk about their game plan or after the game started?


scum were made aware of their factional abilities in N0 if they have them.
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« Reply #98 on: November 01, 2017, 09:25:55 pm »

Question - since this set up is different then 108 (no drafting) did skum find out about their PRs in like the “pre-twilight” game stage with time to talk about their game plan or after the game started?

yeah, but it is called Night 0, which starts after PMs are sent and ends when D1 begins.
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« Reply #99 on: November 01, 2017, 09:26:06 pm »

well, thats the normal thing
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« Reply #100 on: November 01, 2017, 09:26:38 pm »

Also, skumpy is town
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« Reply #101 on: November 01, 2017, 09:31:26 pm »

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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #102 on: November 01, 2017, 11:30:35 pm »

Townpy.

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« Reply #103 on: November 01, 2017, 11:52:44 pm »

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« Reply #104 on: November 02, 2017, 01:30:37 am »

Neighbors aren't masons, they only confirm having that ability.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #105 on: November 02, 2017, 02:03:13 am »

vote: DatSwan
So do you think scum!DatSwan wanted to fake a townslip? Or are you just randomly placing a vote that makes you look all deep and mysterious?
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« Reply #106 on: November 02, 2017, 02:05:56 am »

Prediction: There is exactly one scum among the three people who just called Skumpy town.
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« Reply #107 on: November 02, 2017, 02:13:55 am »

vote: DatSwan
So do you think scum!DatSwan wanted to fake a townslip? Or are you just randomly placing a vote that makes you look all deep and mysterious?

I wouldn't place any value on that "townslip" in either direction. It can easily come from both alignments.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
« Reply #108 on: November 02, 2017, 03:53:44 am »

For the 'lot of time on your hands': I don't, but I'm here anyways. Like I said, I'm open to recommendations for a better hobby.

To elaborate on this: if anybody wants to do my homework for me that was due last Sunday, shoot me a PM!

if it's math u need to do it urself because it's important to learn and if it's not math then i don't feel like it

What type of homework and what level of difficulty?

CS. I should probably read the whole spec since it's now over 3 days late. The class is like getting used to Linux & Emacs and that sorta stuff. This assignment is more about learning debugging and some C coding (I guess). As for schadd: I'll probably just look at past students' work that is now up on Github and follow along with what they do, meaning I don't learn it myself. Math HW I'll just be googling, then cramming the learning before tests. Has worked thusly far with mixed results.

Neighbors aren't masons, they only confirm having that ability.

I don't really get the difference. If 2 people claim neighbors, I'll almost certainly believe them (depending on who does it, but even then...)

Prediction: There is exactly one scum among the three people who just called Skumpy town.

(and implied quoting of the 2.7, Galzria, and chairs reads too that I don't feel like copyPasting)

First off, I love how it's gone:
Skumpy: Anyone wanna talk setup?
3 people: You're town, AKA, No, now shuddup.

Secondly, well done you 3! Congratulations on quickly realizing what will soon be obvious for everybody and thanks for reminding me how badly my first Skum game will go!

Nextly @faust and the above prediction:
You know what's really annoying? The fact that I agree with you. And the fact that I'm so tempted to vote for you because I don't like it when people agree with what I'm thinking. But I've also got a feeling that you're going to be town whenever I read you as scum and vice versa. So I won't vote for you now (meaning that you're scum, so I will vote, meaning you're town, and now I'm in a perpetual loop). Question: Does this mean you're also giving me towncred? Or just that there's 1 scum in the above 3 (which I'm now realizing isn't surprising since you voted Galzria already. Again.)

Well, it looks like the RVS is starting to wear out and I need to start making reads. I've got a couple suspects in mind. Not feeling like elaborating because I want some more info before I cast my first vote.

And finally, looks like my pledge to not text-wall got shattered after like 5 posts. No surprises there, I expected it. Still procrastinating on the HW, feel free to keep conversing with me! Happy to give prompt responses to any direct questions!
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
« Reply #109 on: November 02, 2017, 04:25:10 am »

Question: Does this mean you're also giving me towncred? Or just that there's 1 scum in the above 3 (which I'm now realizing isn't surprising since you voted Galzria already. Again.)
I don't have much of a read on you either way so far.

I would like to say that I would have made that statement even if Galzria wasn't among the people commenting, but then again, who knows? I would currently point to Galzria as the scummiest of the bunch.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #110 on: November 02, 2017, 04:28:08 am »

With regards to setup talk, I don't think there's much to be achieved. We may get ICs, but we won't enjoy them for long and we souldn't lynch PRs on D1 anyway.
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« Reply #111 on: November 02, 2017, 04:30:24 am »

Already stalling? Dama!


(Deep down, yeah, I probably know it's definitely a really stupid idea to claim now, but talking about that beats RVS. I might like random, but I like the analysis more).


Rough math, but this is where I am at. Based on the 3-sided dice flip thing, we can assume:

4s
1a-1b-3a
1a-2b-3b

5s
1a-2a-2b
1b-2a-2b
3a-1a-1b
3b-1a-1b

6s
1a-2a-3a
1a-2a-3b
1a-2b-3a
1a-2b-3b
1b-2a-3a
1b-2a-3b
1b-2b-3a
1b-2b-3b

7s
2a-2b-3a
2a-2b-3b
3a-3b-1a
3a-3b-1b

8s
2a-3a-3b
2b-3a-3b


20 possible outcomes.
4s are 2/20 - 10% - no skum pr
5s are 4/20 - 20% - skum rc
6s are 8/20 - 40% - skum rb
7s are 4/20 - 20% - skum rc+rb
8s are 2/20 - 10% - skum dc+rc+rb


Ok so... We claim. Everyone tells truth, except skum who all claim vt.
We reveal our roles. We learn what skum has to work with, but not who has what.

Downsides:
1. Skum has DC. 10% chance but still would screw us if we have less than 3 PRs.
2. Skum knows who has what roles.
3. Best/Real case scenario = 3 skum + 7 Town claim VT. Skum then knows the 3/10 PRs we have and we are shooting 3/10 instead of 3/13.

Upsides:
1. Down the road it would make isolating lies easy.
2. We would learn how many skum PRs there are, and which there are.


I think everyone kind of agrees claiming this early on would be a bad idea - but just my 2 cents worth on the matter.

*also I am new to this set up - so if I am missing something plz lmk*


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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
« Reply #112 on: November 02, 2017, 04:58:11 am »

I don't really get the difference. If 2 people claim neighbors, I'll almost certainly believe them (depending on who does it, but even then...)

The difference is that if two people are masons, they are town, so if we believe two people who claim to be masons, they are ICs. If two people are neighbors, they can be any combination of town and scum, so if we believe two people who claim to be neighbors, we haven't accomplished anything at all.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
« Reply #113 on: November 02, 2017, 04:59:46 am »

I don't really get the difference. If 2 people claim neighbors, I'll almost certainly believe them (depending on who does it, but even then...)

The difference is that if two people are masons, they are town, so if we believe two people who claim to be masons, they are ICs. If two people are neighbors, they can be any combination of town and scum, so if we believe two people who claim to be neighbors, we haven't accomplished anything at all.

Neigborizer is weak, so
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« Reply #114 on: November 02, 2017, 04:59:58 am »

no, massclaim is a terrible idea
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« Reply #115 on: November 02, 2017, 01:23:46 pm »

vote: DatSwan
So do you think scum!DatSwan wanted to fake a townslip? Or are you just randomly placing a vote that makes you look all deep and mysterious?

The first one. He was in M105. If he'd only been in M108, I could understand asking the question, but it seems a bit silly to me here. I'm (clearly) willing to park my vote here for the time being.

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« Reply #116 on: November 02, 2017, 01:39:47 pm »

no, massclaim is a terrible idea

Yes. Although there should be thought D3 of a Neighborizer claiming if they successfully neighborized town as that will create two IC's at a midway/late point in the game - reducing the lynch pool by which to find any potential remaining scum.

There's a thought that they could claim D2 with target choice since there's no Redirctor - thus converting them into an effective cop for the night: But between scum's potential ability to Roleblock them - or simply just to kill them to frame the target - it's really not a great idea.

They could claim now and become a temporary IC (scum would need to fake a long, dangerous game to fake claim neighborizer here) - but D1 that's not really all that valuable.
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« Reply #117 on: November 02, 2017, 01:48:36 pm »

As it turns out, the neighborizer is weak which means everything I said about it was not entirely accurate.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #118 on: November 02, 2017, 01:50:55 pm »

In that case, what about having the Neighborizer claim who they're going to target, then if they die, we have either outed scum or scum has killed the Neighborizer which is about as good as having an IC?
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #119 on: November 02, 2017, 02:06:55 pm »

In that case, what about having the Neighborizer claim who they're going to target, then if they die, we have either outed scum or scum has killed the Neighborizer which is about as good as having an IC?
Are you serious about this? This is an awful plan.

What we could consider is everyone claiming D2 who they will target if they are the Neighborizer. But since Neighborizer can't target tonight, it's not really relevant and merely disctracting right now.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #120 on: November 02, 2017, 02:07:28 pm »

Silly me for thinking Awaclus was trying to breadcrumb Neighborizer.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #121 on: November 02, 2017, 02:38:38 pm »

vote: DatSwan
So do you think scum!DatSwan wanted to fake a townslip? Or are you just randomly placing a vote that makes you look all deep and mysterious?

The first one. He was in M105. If he'd only been in M108, I could understand asking the question, but it seems a bit silly to me here. I'm (clearly) willing to park my vote here for the time being.


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"He" is correct!
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #122 on: November 02, 2017, 02:39:17 pm »

also I forgot I was still doing this :P

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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #123 on: November 02, 2017, 02:48:03 pm »

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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #124 on: November 02, 2017, 03:30:00 pm »

also I forgot I was still doing this :P

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Do you also have something useful to add to the discussion?
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #125 on: November 02, 2017, 03:47:50 pm »

Is everyone in this game posting the bare minimum?

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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
« Reply #126 on: November 02, 2017, 04:00:45 pm »

For the 'lot of time on your hands': I don't, but I'm here anyways. Like I said, I'm open to recommendations for a better hobby.

To elaborate on this: if anybody wants to do my homework for me that was due last Sunday, shoot me a PM!

if it's math u need to do it urself because it's important to learn and if it's not math then i don't feel like it

What type of homework and what level of difficulty?

CS. I should probably read the whole spec since it's now over 3 days late. The class is like getting used to Linux & Emacs and that sorta stuff. This assignment is more about learning debugging and some C coding (I guess). As for schadd: I'll probably just look at past students' work that is now up on Github and follow along with what they do, meaning I don't learn it myself. Math HW I'll just be googling, then cramming the learning before tests. Has worked thusly far with mixed results.

Neighbors aren't masons, they only confirm having that ability.

I don't really get the difference. If 2 people claim neighbors, I'll almost certainly believe them (depending on who does it, but even then...)

Prediction: There is exactly one scum among the three people who just called Skumpy town.

(and implied quoting of the 2.7, Galzria, and chairs reads too that I don't feel like copyPasting)

First off, I love how it's gone:
Skumpy: Anyone wanna talk setup?
3 people: You're town, AKA, No, now shuddup.

Secondly, well done you 3! Congratulations on quickly realizing what will soon be obvious for everybody and thanks for reminding me how badly my first Skum game will go!

Nextly @faust and the above prediction:
You know what's really annoying? The fact that I agree with you. And the fact that I'm so tempted to vote for you because I don't like it when people agree with what I'm thinking. But I've also got a feeling that you're going to be town whenever I read you as scum and vice versa. So I won't vote for you now (meaning that you're scum, so I will vote, meaning you're town, and now I'm in a perpetual loop). Question: Does this mean you're also giving me towncred? Or just that there's 1 scum in the above 3 (which I'm now realizing isn't surprising since you voted Galzria already. Again.)

Well, it looks like the RVS is starting to wear out and I need to start making reads. I've got a couple suspects in mind. Not feeling like elaborating because I want some more info before I cast my first vote.

And finally, looks like my pledge to not text-wall got shattered after like 5 posts. No surprises there, I expected it. Still procrastinating on the HW, feel free to keep conversing with me! Happy to give prompt responses to any direct questions!

Kicking myself again for reading a whole Skumpy post that contains nothing important.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #127 on: November 02, 2017, 04:03:27 pm »

Is everyone in this game posting the bare minimum?

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Well, I think Skumpy covered set-up well enough, I agree with you that discussing Neighborizer is a waste of time today, and I don't think much else has happened.

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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #128 on: November 02, 2017, 04:04:12 pm »

I'll do a reread soon if I have time.

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« Reply #129 on: November 02, 2017, 04:05:29 pm »

Is everyone in this game posting the bare minimum?

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Well, I think Skumpy covered set-up well enough, I agree with you that discussing Neighborizer is a waste of time today, and I don't think much else has happened.

Yeahhh... I got nothing.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #130 on: November 02, 2017, 04:14:07 pm »

Is everyone in this game posting the bare minimum?

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Yeah I’m here and up to date. I just don’t feel like I have any useful info at this time. I’ll try to contribute more.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #131 on: November 02, 2017, 04:16:16 pm »

Well okay, if you don't have reads, just vote Dylan. That way at least you'll do something helpful.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #132 on: November 02, 2017, 04:16:58 pm »

And Andrew already is! *slow clap*
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #133 on: November 02, 2017, 04:19:59 pm »

Well okay, if you don't have reads, just vote Dylan. That way at least you'll do something helpful.

vote: Faust

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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #134 on: November 02, 2017, 04:34:52 pm »

And Andrew already is! *slow clap*

Thank you! Thank you all! Thank you!
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #135 on: November 02, 2017, 04:54:29 pm »

Well okay, if you don't have reads, just vote Dylan. That way at least you'll do something helpful.

vote: Faust

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I think the faust vote is a bad call here but I mean I get it. I do think faust was a little bit of a jerk with this post:

Well okay, if you don't have reads, just vote Dylan. That way at least you'll do something helpful.

I just think faust is also not coming off scum at the moment (not that we have much to go on yet).

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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #136 on: November 02, 2017, 05:48:46 pm »

 Faust is town.
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #137 on: November 02, 2017, 06:17:39 pm »

also I forgot I was still doing this :P

unvote

Why did you feel the need to unvote? It was an RVS vote, yes? Do you believe you have a better place your vote or did you simply not want it on anybody? If the former: who? If the latter: why?
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #138 on: November 02, 2017, 06:18:36 pm »

Well okay, if you don't have reads, just vote Dylan. That way at least you'll do something helpful.

vote: Faust

Please don’t tell me what to do  :)

Why are you voting Faust for this?
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #139 on: November 02, 2017, 06:20:48 pm »

I'll do a reread soon if I have time.

Do you really need to reread here, or are you just trying to give the illusion of participation? There's what? 100 posts so far? This has been the slowest D1 in my memory.
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #140 on: November 02, 2017, 06:21:20 pm »

Faust is town.

2 townies figured out. Doing pretty well so far
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« Reply #141 on: November 02, 2017, 07:00:44 pm »

I'll do a reread soon if I have time.

Do you really need to reread here, or are you just trying to give the illusion of participation? There's what? 100 posts so far? This has been the slowest D1 in my memory.

Good point. Vote: IDPTG
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« Reply #142 on: November 02, 2017, 07:36:26 pm »

Well okay, if you don't have reads, just vote Dylan. That way at least you'll do something helpful.

vote: Faust

Please don’t tell me what to do  :)

Why are you voting Faust for this?

1. I feel like he is trying to sway the vote of an unexperienced player (i.e. myself)
2. As it is not close dead line, why would you want to train someone without much evidence said person is scum
4. As it stands rn, Faust is almost as good of a dylan. At least when it comes to scummy evidence
3. wording seemed rude to me, I don't like being told what to do. So why not vote him.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #143 on: November 02, 2017, 07:58:34 pm »

In other news, scum is totally hiding in people who aren't voting yet (looking at you, e)

Sorry Andrew. maybe this will be better:

After carefully weighing my options, I'm going to begin my mis-voting this game with a Vote: 2.718 (what is your preferred number of digits when people vote for you? Also hi)

Above feels very WIFOMmy to me. And that's pretty much it. Nothing else so far from him feels particularly townie.



Other people on who I've been looking at:

DatSwan: I don't know what to make of the first vote for me. I get it's RVS, I get it's supposed to funny, but I'm an interesting choice after you kept trying to get me lynched my first game. On the other hand, the setup post seems townie while the non-response to IDPTG does not.  Having said all that: I'm going to come out and say right now I don't want to or plan on lynching Swan on Day 1. Reasons I don't want to share for a while.

Raptor: I thought I'd be able to figure you out early based on knowing your 105scum play. I have not. I don't know if it's slightly more confidence as scum or a good coach or just plain town. Also wanting to leave you alone for a while.

Chairs: Agreed with faust, this isn't the scum Chairs I know. Still random, but it's not forced awkward random.

Faust & Galzria: There's something that feels off in this old married couple. Like faust is trying to start up the bickering and Galzria is shutting it down. Wouldn't be at all surprised to see a scum coming out of this pair. It just doesn't feel natural. At the very least, I'm not joining everybody in townreading faust. Then again, not sure I ever will. I think for the most part, faust has been saying accurate stuff, but as I said before, that doesn't make me trust him more.


PPE Raptor's stuff (this took a while to write and edit)

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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #144 on: November 02, 2017, 08:43:02 pm »

I'll do a reread soon if I have time.

Do you really need to reread here, or are you just trying to give the illusion of participation? There's what? 100 posts so far? This has been the slowest D1 in my memory.

I wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything. And I found a post (reply #111) that I'm glad I read again because of the way it was formatted.

DatSwan: why do you assume three roles were picked?

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« Reply #145 on: November 02, 2017, 08:47:18 pm »

I'll do a reread soon if I have time.

Do you really need to reread here, or are you just trying to give the illusion of participation? There's what? 100 posts so far? This has been the slowest D1 in my memory.

I wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything. And I found a post (reply #111) that I'm glad I read again because of the way it was formatted.

DatSwan: why do you assume three roles were picked?

Am I mis understanding something?
Dude flips a dice 3 times and selects 3 town PRs. Is that not accurate?
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« Reply #146 on: November 02, 2017, 08:47:44 pm »

I'll do a reread soon if I have time.

Do you really need to reread here, or are you just trying to give the illusion of participation? There's what? 100 posts so far? This has been the slowest D1 in my memory.

I wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything. And I found a post (reply #111) that I'm glad I read again because of the way it was formatted.

DatSwan: why do you assume three roles were picked?

Am I mis understanding something?
Dude flips a dice 3 times and selects 3 town PRs. Is that not accurate?
dice=coin.
Not going to even say DAMA, just assuming it is implied here.
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« Reply #147 on: November 02, 2017, 08:49:57 pm »

also I forgot I was still doing this :P

unvote

Why did you feel the need to unvote? It was an RVS vote, yes? Do you believe you have a better place your vote or did you simply not want it on anybody? If the former: who? If the latter: why?

I don't like leaving RVS votes on people after I believe they are town.
When I did it, I didn't have an opinion. Now I think he is town. So no mas vote.
But you already knew that. You are just bored :P

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« Reply #148 on: November 02, 2017, 08:50:15 pm »

specifically, the PRs are chosen by the algorithm:
>flip a 3-sided coin, heads means pick 2, tails means pick 3, wings means pick 4
>if the sum is lower than 4 or higher than 8 try again


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(N1 ascetic) 3-shot tracker - 1
vigilante - 2
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #149 on: November 02, 2017, 08:53:10 pm »

I'll do a reread soon if I have time.

Do you really need to reread here, or are you just trying to give the illusion of participation? There's what? 100 posts so far? This has been the slowest D1 in my memory.

I wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything. And I found a post (reply #111) that I'm glad I read again because of the way it was formatted.

DatSwan: why do you assume three roles were picked?

Am I mis understanding something?
Dude flips a dice 3 times and selects 3 town PRs. Is that not accurate?

Could be 2. Could be 4. Could be 3.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #150 on: November 02, 2017, 08:58:23 pm »

I'll do a reread soon if I have time.

Do you really need to reread here, or are you just trying to give the illusion of participation? There's what? 100 posts so far? This has been the slowest D1 in my memory.

I wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything. And I found a post (reply #111) that I'm glad I read again because of the way it was formatted.

DatSwan: why do you assume three roles were picked?

Am I mis understanding something?
Dude flips a dice 3 times and selects 3 town PRs. Is that not accurate?

Could be 2. Could be 4. Could be 3.

Well I just re read the set up and that is exactly what it says. Pretty much can disregard all the logic from that entire post.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #151 on: November 02, 2017, 08:58:37 pm »

I'll do a reread soon if I have time.

Do you really need to reread here, or are you just trying to give the illusion of participation? There's what? 100 posts so far? This has been the slowest D1 in my memory.

I wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything. And I found a post (reply #111) that I'm glad I read again because of the way it was formatted.

DatSwan: why do you assume three roles were picked?

Am I mis understanding something?
Dude flips a dice 3 times and selects 3 town PRs. Is that not accurate?

Could be 2. Could be 4. Could be 3.

What we DO know is that the sum total for all town PR's cannot value above 8 or below 4 - regardless of the number of PR's in existence.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #152 on: November 02, 2017, 09:01:08 pm »

I'll do a reread soon if I have time.

Do you really need to reread here, or are you just trying to give the illusion of participation? There's what? 100 posts so far? This has been the slowest D1 in my memory.

I wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything. And I found a post (reply #111) that I'm glad I read again because of the way it was formatted.

DatSwan: why do you assume three roles were picked?

Am I mis understanding something?
Dude flips a dice 3 times and selects 3 town PRs. Is that not accurate?

Could be 2. Could be 4. Could be 3.

What we DO know is that the sum total for all town PR's cannot value above 8 or below 4 - regardless of the number of PR's in existence.

Yeah I get it now sorry.
When I was doing the write up on my phone I was thinking the rule was "flip three times and pick a *1,2,or 3* in which the 1,2, or 3 were correlating to the value of the ability (which is why I wrote out all the options as 1a/1b etc etc.

Further look I know see that not only is that not right, but it says heads is 2, tails is 3 and whatever is 4 (not 1, 2, and 3).

Don't do drunk math kids. Leave it to the professionals.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #153 on: November 02, 2017, 09:07:05 pm »

unvote

I've had enough there. Moving on to vote: Andrew for managing to post and say less than I have.

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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #154 on: November 03, 2017, 12:07:22 am »

In other news, scum is totally hiding in people who aren't voting yet (looking at you, e)

Sorry Andrew. maybe this will be better:

After carefully weighing my options, I'm going to begin my mis-voting this game with a Vote: 2.718 (what is your preferred number of digits when people vote for you? Also hi)

Above feels very WIFOMmy to me. And that's pretty much it. Nothing else so far from him feels particularly townie.

You do know I was talking about myself, right? It was actually a meta reference to one of my first scum games where I was caught because I was frozen all D1 and not voting anyone. Also, am I WIFOMing myself? I am confused

Also, I have no preference on digits.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #155 on: November 03, 2017, 01:35:56 am »

Also, am I WIFOMing myself?

That's the real WIFOM right there.

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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #156 on: November 03, 2017, 02:51:15 am »

I think the faust vote is a bad call here but I mean I get it. I do think faust was a little bit of a jerk with this post:

Well okay, if you don't have reads, just vote Dylan. That way at least you'll do something helpful.
Well maybe. But it did spark some discussion, and we desperately needed that. Sorry if my methods are sometimes a bit heavy-handed
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #157 on: November 03, 2017, 03:02:05 am »

unvote

I've had enough there. Moving on to vote: Andrew for managing to post and say less than I have.
Why not Dylan?
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #158 on: November 03, 2017, 03:10:42 am »

1. I feel like he is trying to sway the vote of an unexperienced player (i.e. myself)
Well I was. So what?

2. As it is not close dead line, why would you want to train someone without much evidence said person is scum
So stuff will happen and we don't stall out with everyone saying "well I don't have anything worthwhile to post".

4. As it stands rn, Faust is almost as good of a dylan. At least when it comes to scummy evidence
What evidence?

3. wording seemed rude to me, I don't like being told what to do. So why not vote him.
Fair enough, but that is not really a game-related reason.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #159 on: November 03, 2017, 05:43:44 am »

Also, am I WIFOMing myself? I am confused
A common result of being WIFOMed.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #160 on: November 03, 2017, 06:37:37 am »

Oops... I'm prod-worthy :-(

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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #161 on: November 03, 2017, 07:42:41 am »

Let’s see where vote: DatSwan will get us
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #162 on: November 03, 2017, 09:10:27 am »

Let’s see where vote: DatSwan will get us
Nowhere, probably. Do you think DatSwan is scum?
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #163 on: November 03, 2017, 09:57:14 am »

Let’s see where vote: DatSwan will get us
Nowhere, probably. Do you think DatSwan is scum?

I think he is acting weird compared to other games is all. Do you think Dylan is scum? I am not opposed to voting for Dylan, but I don't remember a single thing he said
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #164 on: November 03, 2017, 10:01:46 am »

Let’s see where vote: DatSwan will get us
Nowhere, probably. Do you think DatSwan is scum?

I think he is acting weird compared to other games is all. Do you think Dylan is scum? I am not opposed to voting for Dylan, but I don't remember a single thing he said
Well he has only two posts, so you did not miss much. None of them contains even a hint of a read. Early on that was sufficient reason to vote already. Now the case is strengthened by LAL.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #165 on: November 03, 2017, 10:05:59 am »

okay, let's do this then. vote: Dylan32
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #166 on: November 03, 2017, 10:06:29 am »

every single time in every single game I am afraid to sheep you faust, because you are manipulative and good as scum
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #167 on: November 03, 2017, 10:11:34 am »

unvote

I've had enough there. Moving on to vote: Andrew for managing to post and say less than I have.
Why not Dylan?

Because he hasn't really posted. I've yet to see a lurker lynch go well. What makes you so certain we should follow LAL here?

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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #168 on: November 03, 2017, 10:14:05 am »

unvote

I've had enough there. Moving on to vote: Andrew for managing to post and say less than I have.
Why not Dylan?

Because he hasn't really posted. I've yet to see a lurker lynch go well. What makes you so certain we should follow LAL here?

following LAL in a situation like this helps put the person into the spotlight so they come and say something meaningful instead of hiding
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #169 on: November 03, 2017, 10:15:49 am »

Why are we already talking about lurker lynches? The game just started like a couple of days ago, there should be enough time to get a lynch that doesn't suck.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #170 on: November 03, 2017, 10:17:03 am »

Why are we already talking about lurker lynches? The game just started like a couple of days ago, there should be enough time to get a lynch that doesn't suck.

any idea?
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #171 on: November 03, 2017, 10:26:35 am »

I'd lynch faust or Galzria for the time being.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #172 on: November 03, 2017, 11:18:29 am »

every single time in every single game I am afraid to sheep you faust, because you are manipulative and good as scum
Thank you. I'm not scum this time though.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #173 on: November 03, 2017, 11:19:36 am »

unvote

I've had enough there. Moving on to vote: Andrew for managing to post and say less than I have.
Why not Dylan?

Because he hasn't really posted. I've yet to see a lurker lynch go well. What makes you so certain we should follow LAL here?
Let's be clear: You are voting for Andrew because he's posting very little and doesn't have content, but you don't want to do a lurker lynch...?
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #174 on: November 03, 2017, 11:20:19 am »

I'd lynch faust or Galzria for the time being.
I mean, if you want tomorrow to go even slower, sure, be my guest.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #175 on: November 03, 2017, 11:44:28 am »

I'd lynch faust or Galzria for the time being.
I mean, if you want tomorrow to go even slower, sure, be my guest.

Let me rephrase: I'd lynch faust for the time being.

Vote: faust
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #176 on: November 03, 2017, 11:48:52 am »

unvote

I've had enough there. Moving on to vote: Andrew for managing to post and say less than I have.
Why not Dylan?

Because he hasn't really posted. I've yet to see a lurker lynch go well. What makes you so certain we should follow LAL here?
Let's be clear: You are voting for Andrew because he's posting very little and doesn't have content, but you don't want to do a lurker lynch...?

I'm voting Andrew for posting and not saying anything. I'm not voting Dylan for not posting and not saying anything.

Also, let's clarify this: to me, a lurker is someone who doesn't post. For now, Andrew's posted enough for me not to place him in that category.

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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #177 on: November 03, 2017, 11:58:00 am »

I'd lynch faust or Galzria for the time being.
I mean, if you want tomorrow to go even slower, sure, be my guest.

Let me rephrase: I'd lynch faust for the time being.

Vote: faust

why not Galzria?
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #178 on: November 03, 2017, 12:03:48 pm »

I'd lynch faust or Galzria for the time being.
I mean, if you want tomorrow to go even slower, sure, be my guest.

Let me rephrase: I'd lynch faust for the time being.

Vote: faust

why not Galzria?

Because Galzria didn't reply to my post with "I mean, if you want tomorrow to go even slower, sure, be my guest".
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #179 on: November 03, 2017, 12:05:31 pm »

I'd lynch faust or Galzria for the time being.
I mean, if you want tomorrow to go even slower, sure, be my guest.

Let me rephrase: I'd lynch faust for the time being.

Vote: faust

why not Galzria?

Because Galzria didn't reply to my post with "I mean, if you want tomorrow to go even slower, sure, be my guest".

Do you believe scum responds with "I mean, if you want tomorrow to go even slower, sure, be my guest"?
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #180 on: November 03, 2017, 12:08:12 pm »

Why are we already talking about lurker lynches? The game just started like a couple of days ago, there should be enough time to get a lynch that doesn't suck.

Because the game started on Tuesday. It's now been three days, and we're headed into the weekend - a time that is consistently the slowest for online forum mafia games. When we return on Monday, the deadline will be a day away.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #181 on: November 03, 2017, 12:11:19 pm »

I'd lynch faust or Galzria for the time being.
I mean, if you want tomorrow to go even slower, sure, be my guest.

Let me rephrase: I'd lynch faust for the time being.

Vote: faust

why not Galzria?

Because Galzria didn't reply to my post with "I mean, if you want tomorrow to go even slower, sure, be my guest".

Do you believe scum responds with "I mean, if you want tomorrow to go even slower, sure, be my guest"?

Apparently.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #182 on: November 03, 2017, 12:13:59 pm »

unvote

I've had enough there. Moving on to vote: Andrew for managing to post and say less than I have.
Why not Dylan?

Because he hasn't really posted. I've yet to see a lurker lynch go well. What makes you so certain we should follow LAL here?

People who post are consistently scum read far more than those who do not because, as is the case with say, Dylan, there's nothing of value to assign a read to. This is largely advantageous as scum. Further, it's hugely disadvantageous as town because not only are you not creating interactions now and helping to find scum, but in future days the lack of participation can castrate the ability of the town to find scum.

LAL is not always the most likely place to find scum, but it's often the most advantageous place to lynch early in the game - either to catch lurking scum or remove unhelpful (and even hurtful) town.
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #183 on: November 03, 2017, 12:16:19 pm »

DatSwan and I leave for a conference tomorrow. We will be there until late Tuesday and will have limited access. I'll post in the V/LA thread as well.
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TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #184 on: November 03, 2017, 01:03:23 pm »

unvote

I've had enough there. Moving on to vote: Andrew for managing to post and say less than I have.
Why not Dylan?

Because he hasn't really posted. I've yet to see a lurker lynch go well. What makes you so certain we should follow LAL here?
Let's be clear: You are voting for Andrew because he's posting very little and doesn't have content, but you don't want to do a lurker lynch...?

I'm voting Andrew for posting and not saying anything. I'm not voting Dylan for not posting and not saying anything.

Also, let's clarify this: to me, a lurker is someone who doesn't post. For now, Andrew's posted enough for me not to place him in that category.

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I see. I wasn't sure whether it was supposed to read (post and say) less than I have or post and (say less than I have).

FWIW, Dylan did not say anything in the posts that he did have.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #185 on: November 03, 2017, 01:04:12 pm »

I'd lynch faust or Galzria for the time being.
I mean, if you want tomorrow to go even slower, sure, be my guest.

Let me rephrase: I'd lynch faust for the time being.

Vote: faust

why not Galzria?

Because Galzria didn't reply to my post with "I mean, if you want tomorrow to go even slower, sure, be my guest".

Do you believe scum responds with "I mean, if you want tomorrow to go even slower, sure, be my guest"?
Why do you continue to ask questions you already seem to know the answers to?
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #186 on: November 03, 2017, 01:21:43 pm »

unvote

I've had enough there. Moving on to vote: Andrew for managing to post and say less than I have.
Why not Dylan?

Because he hasn't really posted. I've yet to see a lurker lynch go well. What makes you so certain we should follow LAL here?

People who post are consistently scum read far more than those who do not because, as is the case with say, Dylan, there's nothing of value to assign a read to. This is largely advantageous as scum. Further, it's hugely disadvantageous as town because not only are you not creating interactions now and helping to find scum, but in future days the lack of participation can castrate the ability of the town to find scum.

LAL is not always the most likely place to find scum, but it's often the most advantageous place to lynch early in the game - either to catch lurking scum or remove unhelpful (and even hurtful) town.

Scum doesn't get an advantage by lurking, scum gets an advantage by posting a ton until they convince town to vote for someone they want to lynch.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #187 on: November 03, 2017, 02:03:04 pm »

I'd lynch faust or Galzria for the time being.
I mean, if you want tomorrow to go even slower, sure, be my guest.

Let me rephrase: I'd lynch faust for the time being.

Vote: faust

why not Galzria?

Because Galzria didn't reply to my post with "I mean, if you want tomorrow to go even slower, sure, be my guest".

Do you believe scum responds with "I mean, if you want tomorrow to go even slower, sure, be my guest"?
Why do you continue to ask questions you already seem to know the answers to?

Because I don't believe that's a legitimate reason. Why do you?
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TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #188 on: November 03, 2017, 02:05:49 pm »

I see. I wasn't sure whether it was supposed to read (post and say) less than I have or post and (say less than I have).

FWIW, Dylan did not say anything in the posts that he did have.

Sorry for the confusion. It was meant to be read as the second one.

Andrew hasn't said anything either.

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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #189 on: November 03, 2017, 02:06:33 pm »

I'd lynch faust or Galzria for the time being.
I mean, if you want tomorrow to go even slower, sure, be my guest.

Let me rephrase: I'd lynch faust for the time being.

Vote: faust

why not Galzria?

Because Galzria didn't reply to my post with "I mean, if you want tomorrow to go even slower, sure, be my guest".

Do you believe scum responds with "I mean, if you want tomorrow to go even slower, sure, be my guest"?
Why do you continue to ask questions you already seem to know the answers to?

Because I don't believe that's a legitimate reason. Why do you?
I just don't think it's good practice to phrase your views as suggestive questions. I'd prefer you simply state them outright.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #190 on: November 03, 2017, 02:07:28 pm »

I see. I wasn't sure whether it was supposed to read (post and say) less than I have or post and (say less than I have).

FWIW, Dylan did not say anything in the posts that he did have.

Sorry for the confusion. It was meant to be read as the second one.

Andrew hasn't said anything either.
Maybe. But you do acknowledge that my vote for Dylan is just as good as your vote for Andrew?
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #191 on: November 03, 2017, 02:09:28 pm »

unvote

I've had enough there. Moving on to vote: Andrew for managing to post and say less than I have.
Why not Dylan?

Because he hasn't really posted. I've yet to see a lurker lynch go well. What makes you so certain we should follow LAL here?

People who post are consistently scum read far more than those who do not because, as is the case with say, Dylan, there's nothing of value to assign a read to. This is largely advantageous as scum. Further, it's hugely disadvantageous as town because not only are you not creating interactions now and helping to find scum, but in future days the lack of participation can castrate the ability of the town to find scum.

LAL is not always the most likely place to find scum, but it's often the most advantageous place to lynch early in the game - either to catch lurking scum or remove unhelpful (and even hurtful) town.

Scum doesn't get an advantage by lurking, scum gets an advantage by posting a ton until they convince town to vote for someone they want to lynch.
That statement is still true if you substitute "scum" by "town".
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #192 on: November 03, 2017, 02:13:12 pm »

unvote

I've had enough there. Moving on to vote: Andrew for managing to post and say less than I have.
Why not Dylan?

Because he hasn't really posted. I've yet to see a lurker lynch go well. What makes you so certain we should follow LAL here?

People who post are consistently scum read far more than those who do not because, as is the case with say, Dylan, there's nothing of value to assign a read to. This is largely advantageous as scum. Further, it's hugely disadvantageous as town because not only are you not creating interactions now and helping to find scum, but in future days the lack of participation can castrate the ability of the town to find scum.

LAL is not always the most likely place to find scum, but it's often the most advantageous place to lynch early in the game - either to catch lurking scum or remove unhelpful (and even hurtful) town.

Scum doesn't get an advantage by lurking, scum gets an advantage by posting a ton until they convince town to vote for someone they want to lynch.
That statement is still true if you substitute "scum" by "town".

Town can get an advantage by not sharing too much of their thought process.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #193 on: November 03, 2017, 02:19:18 pm »

I see. I wasn't sure whether it was supposed to read (post and say) less than I have or post and (say less than I have).

FWIW, Dylan did not say anything in the posts that he did have.

Sorry for the confusion. It was meant to be read as the second one.

Andrew hasn't said anything either.
Maybe. But you do acknowledge that my vote for Dylan is just as good as your vote for Andrew?

Is that your acknowledgement that you perceive my vote for Andrew to be just as good as your vote for Dylan? I hold that my vote for Andrew is better than your vote for Dylan. I acknowledge that we're both voting for people who haven't posted any content, however I'm more comfortable voting for the person with more posts.

And of course Awaclus would say that.

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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #194 on: November 03, 2017, 02:41:15 pm »

unvote

I've had enough there. Moving on to vote: Andrew for managing to post and say less than I have.
Why not Dylan?

Because he hasn't really posted. I've yet to see a lurker lynch go well. What makes you so certain we should follow LAL here?

People who post are consistently scum read far more than those who do not because, as is the case with say, Dylan, there's nothing of value to assign a read to. This is largely advantageous as scum. Further, it's hugely disadvantageous as town because not only are you not creating interactions now and helping to find scum, but in future days the lack of participation can castrate the ability of the town to find scum.

LAL is not always the most likely place to find scum, but it's often the most advantageous place to lynch early in the game - either to catch lurking scum or remove unhelpful (and even hurtful) town.

Scum doesn't get an advantage by lurking, scum gets an advantage by posting a ton until they convince town to vote for someone they want to lynch.

This is demonstrably and historically false in -most- (not all) cases. In most cases scum does enough to not be the target of LAL, while participating enough to make sure they have opinions posted and varied in nature. Most scum tend to fall below average in post count, but not at the bottom. Rarely does scum want to be the leading voice in the game pushing lynches through that they know will be mislynches - and this is especially true D1, when the odds of a lynch falling on town without their extreme help is particularly high anyway.

Further, even if scum is choosing to be a loud voice in the game, they're creating far more interactions than the quieter ones, increasing both the likelihood that they're caught down the line, and increasing the chances we can follow a trail from them back to their partners.

Yes, scum CAN be a top poster and a loud voice D1 - but it's far more likely to come from town, and even if it IS from scum they're generally not the best lynch choice anyway.

With that said, vote: LaLight. Scummiest (imo) of the "middle" posters (LaLight, e, Swan, Skumpy, IDPTG, Chairs).

On the lurker side, I still think Raptor is scummiest - his responses have felt on point identical to me from his last game when he was scum - but I have no basis on which to judge his town play. Dylan could be scum, but there's nothing there to judge by. Andrew could be scum, but I'm withholding judgment for now.

Faust is town. Skumpy is townie, but feels forced (he did last game too, and like Raptor, I have no basis for scum!Skumpy). Everybody else is middling to me.

I will not lynch Faust or Skumpy today. e would probably be my next most "don't want to lynch".
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #195 on: November 03, 2017, 02:50:23 pm »

This is demonstrably and historically false in -most- (not all) cases. In most cases scum does enough to not be the target of LAL, while participating enough to make sure they have opinions posted and varied in nature. Most scum tend to fall below average in post count, but not at the bottom. Rarely does scum want to be the leading voice in the game pushing lynches through that they know will be mislynches - and this is especially true D1, when the odds of a lynch falling on town without their extreme help is particularly high anyway.

That's either a result of poor scum play or poor town play. If town is playing well, scum has to post a lot in order to change the course of the game to their liking.

Further, even if scum is choosing to be a loud voice in the game, they're creating far more interactions than the quieter ones, increasing both the likelihood that they're caught down the line, and increasing the chances we can follow a trail from them back to their partners.

It doesn't increase the likelihood that they're caught if their narrative is solid. They are completely in control of what they post.

Faust is town.

More like your scum partner.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #196 on: November 03, 2017, 02:53:48 pm »

unvote

I've had enough there. Moving on to vote: Andrew for managing to post and say less than I have.
Why not Dylan?

Because he hasn't really posted. I've yet to see a lurker lynch go well. What makes you so certain we should follow LAL here?

People who post are consistently scum read far more than those who do not because, as is the case with say, Dylan, there's nothing of value to assign a read to. This is largely advantageous as scum. Further, it's hugely disadvantageous as town because not only are you not creating interactions now and helping to find scum, but in future days the lack of participation can castrate the ability of the town to find scum.

LAL is not always the most likely place to find scum, but it's often the most advantageous place to lynch early in the game - either to catch lurking scum or remove unhelpful (and even hurtful) town.

Scum doesn't get an advantage by lurking, scum gets an advantage by posting a ton until they convince town to vote for someone they want to lynch.

This is demonstrably and historically false in -most- (not all) cases. In most cases scum does enough to not be the target of LAL, while participating enough to make sure they have opinions posted and varied in nature. Most scum tend to fall below average in post count, but not at the bottom. Rarely does scum want to be the leading voice in the game pushing lynches through that they know will be mislynches - and this is especially true D1, when the odds of a lynch falling on town without their extreme help is particularly high anyway.

Further, even if scum is choosing to be a loud voice in the game, they're creating far more interactions than the quieter ones, increasing both the likelihood that they're caught down the line, and increasing the chances we can follow a trail from them back to their partners.

Yes, scum CAN be a top poster and a loud voice D1 - but it's far more likely to come from town, and even if it IS from scum they're generally not the best lynch choice anyway.

With that said, vote: LaLight. Scummiest (imo) of the "middle" posters (LaLight, e, Swan, Skumpy, IDPTG, Chairs).

On the lurker side, I still think Raptor is scummiest - his responses have felt on point identical to me from his last game when he was scum - but I have no basis on which to judge his town play. Dylan could be scum, but there's nothing there to judge by. Andrew could be scum, but I'm withholding judgment for now.

Faust is town. Skumpy is townie, but feels forced (he did last game too, and like Raptor, I have no basis for scum!Skumpy). Everybody else is middling to me.

I will not lynch Faust or Skumpy today. e would probably be my next most "don't want to lynch".

Why do you think Faust is town?
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #197 on: November 03, 2017, 02:58:05 pm »

1. I feel like he is trying to sway the vote of an unexperienced player (i.e. myself)
Well I was. So what?

2. As it is not close dead line, why would you want to train someone without much evidence said person is scum
So stuff will happen and we don't stall out with everyone saying "well I don't have anything worthwhile to post".

4. As it stands rn, Faust is almost as good of a dylan. At least when it comes to scummy evidence
What evidence?

3. wording seemed rude to me, I don't like being told what to do. So why not vote him.
Fair enough, but that is not really a game-related reason.

1) to me thats a scummy move
2) I did something, voted you.
4) my point exactly, thanks.
3) its all game related.. because thats what you said in the game.

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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #198 on: November 03, 2017, 03:09:46 pm »

I'll do a reread soon if I have time.

Do you really need to reread here, or are you just trying to give the illusion of participation? There's what? 100 posts so far? This has been the slowest D1 in my memory.

Good point. Vote: IDPTG

Lame. Don't like it. I feel like I hear someone complain about how slow D1 is every game.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #199 on: November 03, 2017, 03:11:50 pm »

Well okay, if you don't have reads, just vote Dylan. That way at least you'll do something helpful.

vote: Faust

Please don’t tell me what to do  :)

Why are you voting Faust for this?

1. I feel like he is trying to sway the vote of an unexperienced player (i.e. myself)

Are you saying we shouldn't be scumreading inexperienced players?
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #200 on: November 03, 2017, 03:15:16 pm »

In other news, scum is totally hiding in people who aren't voting yet (looking at you, e)

Sorry Andrew. maybe this will be better:

After carefully weighing my options, I'm going to begin my mis-voting this game with a Vote: 2.718 (what is your preferred number of digits when people vote for you? Also hi)

Above feels very WIFOMmy to me. And that's pretty much it. Nothing else so far from him feels particularly townie.



Other people on who I've been looking at:

DatSwan: I don't know what to make of the first vote for me. I get it's RVS, I get it's supposed to funny, but I'm an interesting choice after you kept trying to get me lynched my first game. On the other hand, the setup post seems townie while the non-response to IDPTG does not.  Having said all that: I'm going to come out and say right now I don't want to or plan on lynching Swan on Day 1. Reasons I don't want to share for a while.

Raptor: I thought I'd be able to figure you out early based on knowing your 105scum play. I have not. I don't know if it's slightly more confidence as scum or a good coach or just plain town. Also wanting to leave you alone for a while.

Chairs: Agreed with faust, this isn't the scum Chairs I know. Still random, but it's not forced awkward random.

Faust & Galzria: There's something that feels off in this old married couple. Like faust is trying to start up the bickering and Galzria is shutting it down. Wouldn't be at all surprised to see a scum coming out of this pair. It just doesn't feel natural. At the very least, I'm not joining everybody in townreading faust. Then again, not sure I ever will. I think for the most part, faust has been saying accurate stuff, but as I said before, that doesn't make me trust him more.


PPE Raptor's stuff (this took a while to write and edit)

Very good, thank you! I'm glad you're here to make these quality posts!
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #201 on: November 03, 2017, 03:21:27 pm »

I'd lynch faust or Galzria for the time being.
I mean, if you want tomorrow to go even slower, sure, be my guest.

Let me rephrase: I'd lynch faust for the time being.

Vote: faust

why not Galzria?

Because Galzria didn't reply to my post with "I mean, if you want tomorrow to go even slower, sure, be my guest".

Whatever faust says can and will be used against him in the court of Awaclus.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #202 on: November 03, 2017, 03:23:54 pm »

I see. I wasn't sure whether it was supposed to read (post and say) less than I have or post and (say less than I have).

FWIW, Dylan did not say anything in the posts that he did have.

Sorry for the confusion. It was meant to be read as the second one.

Andrew hasn't said anything either.

I'm saying things! It's just been a hectic couple of days for me.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #203 on: November 03, 2017, 03:26:25 pm »

unvote

I've had enough there. Moving on to vote: Andrew for managing to post and say less than I have.
Why not Dylan?

Because he hasn't really posted. I've yet to see a lurker lynch go well. What makes you so certain we should follow LAL here?

People who post are consistently scum read far more than those who do not because, as is the case with say, Dylan, there's nothing of value to assign a read to. This is largely advantageous as scum. Further, it's hugely disadvantageous as town because not only are you not creating interactions now and helping to find scum, but in future days the lack of participation can castrate the ability of the town to find scum.

LAL is not always the most likely place to find scum, but it's often the most advantageous place to lynch early in the game - either to catch lurking scum or remove unhelpful (and even hurtful) town.

Scum doesn't get an advantage by lurking, scum gets an advantage by posting a ton until they convince town to vote for someone they want to lynch.

This is demonstrably and historically false in -most- (not all) cases. In most cases scum does enough to not be the target of LAL, while participating enough to make sure they have opinions posted and varied in nature. Most scum tend to fall below average in post count, but not at the bottom. Rarely does scum want to be the leading voice in the game pushing lynches through that they know will be mislynches - and this is especially true D1, when the odds of a lynch falling on town without their extreme help is particularly high anyway.

Further, even if scum is choosing to be a loud voice in the game, they're creating far more interactions than the quieter ones, increasing both the likelihood that they're caught down the line, and increasing the chances we can follow a trail from them back to their partners.

Yes, scum CAN be a top poster and a loud voice D1 - but it's far more likely to come from town, and even if it IS from scum they're generally not the best lynch choice anyway.

With that said, vote: LaLight. Scummiest (imo) of the "middle" posters (LaLight, e, Swan, Skumpy, IDPTG, Chairs).

On the lurker side, I still think Raptor is scummiest - his responses have felt on point identical to me from his last game when he was scum - but I have no basis on which to judge his town play. Dylan could be scum, but there's nothing there to judge by. Andrew could be scum, but I'm withholding judgment for now.

Faust is town. Skumpy is townie, but feels forced (he did last game too, and like Raptor, I have no basis for scum!Skumpy). Everybody else is middling to me.

I will not lynch Faust or Skumpy today. e would probably be my next most "don't want to lynch".

Why do you think Faust is town?

Personal opinion I suppose. Faust is a good player, but in LOST one of the things that persistently bothered me all game about him (and it was part of the final case on him) was that there were certain town!Faust ticks that were missing. I believe that he was less available than normal that game, yes. And I believe that impacted his play. I also believe he is certainly capable of making scum adjustments to match those town!ticks following a scum game where they were missing. I just don't believe that scum!Faust has done so here. He sounds and feels more normal to me, and it doesn't feel forced or faked.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #204 on: November 03, 2017, 03:40:58 pm »

I'd lynch faust or Galzria for the time being.
I mean, if you want tomorrow to go even slower, sure, be my guest.

Let me rephrase: I'd lynch faust for the time being.

Vote: faust

why not Galzria?

Because Galzria didn't reply to my post with "I mean, if you want tomorrow to go even slower, sure, be my guest".

Whatever faust says can and will be used against him in the court of Awaclus.

No, not really. I don't have to use anything against faust, he's scum until he proves that he's town.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #205 on: November 03, 2017, 04:04:57 pm »

I'd lynch faust or Galzria for the time being.
I mean, if you want tomorrow to go even slower, sure, be my guest.

Let me rephrase: I'd lynch faust for the time being.

Vote: faust

why not Galzria?

Because Galzria didn't reply to my post with "I mean, if you want tomorrow to go even slower, sure, be my guest".

Whatever faust says can and will be used against him in the court of Awaclus.

No, not really. I don't have to use anything against faust, he's scum until he proves that he's town.

SO glad this is a democracy.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #206 on: November 03, 2017, 04:12:02 pm »

Well okay, if you don't have reads, just vote Dylan. That way at least you'll do something helpful.

vote: Faust

Please don’t tell me what to do  :)

Why are you voting Faust for this?

1. I feel like he is trying to sway the vote of an unexperienced player (i.e. myself)

Are you saying we shouldn't be scumreading inexperienced players?

I don’t think you should tell someone how to vote. Especially without reason.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #207 on: November 03, 2017, 04:32:57 pm »

SO glad this is a democracy.

But that's how it works. I can vote for him for no reason, he can't remove that vote unless he convinces me to remove it.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #208 on: November 03, 2017, 04:38:09 pm »

Well okay, if you don't have reads, just vote Dylan. That way at least you'll do something helpful.

vote: Faust

Please don’t tell me what to do  :)

Why are you voting Faust for this?

1. I feel like he is trying to sway the vote of an unexperienced player (i.e. myself)

Are you saying we shouldn't be scumreading inexperienced players?

I don’t think you should tell someone how to vote. Especially without reason.

Sorry I misread what you said originally. Disregard.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #209 on: November 03, 2017, 04:58:33 pm »

unvote

I've had enough there. Moving on to vote: Andrew for managing to post and say less than I have.
Why not Dylan?

Because he hasn't really posted. I've yet to see a lurker lynch go well. What makes you so certain we should follow LAL here?

People who post are consistently scum read far more than those who do not because, as is the case with say, Dylan, there's nothing of value to assign a read to. This is largely advantageous as scum. Further, it's hugely disadvantageous as town because not only are you not creating interactions now and helping to find scum, but in future days the lack of participation can castrate the ability of the town to find scum.

LAL is not always the most likely place to find scum, but it's often the most advantageous place to lynch early in the game - either to catch lurking scum or remove unhelpful (and even hurtful) town.

Scum doesn't get an advantage by lurking, scum gets an advantage by posting a ton until they convince town to vote for someone they want to lynch.
That statement is still true if you substitute "scum" by "town".

Town can get an advantage by not sharing too much of their thought process.
That statement is still true if you substitute "town" by "scum".
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #210 on: November 03, 2017, 05:06:16 pm »

SO glad this is a democracy.

But that's how it works. I can vote for him for no reason, he can't remove that vote unless he convinces me to remove it.

Fair enough, but you could make that statement for any player. Why did you choose Faust? Why not his "potential" PIC, Galz?
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
« Reply #211 on: November 03, 2017, 05:36:47 pm »

Nope, this is our first encounter. Greetings! Experience of relevant nature = 1 game (105) in which I kept screaming that I have no idea what I'm doing, then stumbled into a victory.

Ah, cool.. I very rarely get around to reading games I'm not playing in, so you're still an unknown!


There's a setup (that I now think I actually do understand), let's see if anything can be done with it.

Yeah, I usually love mathsing out the setup, looking at distributions of probabilities and everything :-)


It seems a lot tougher for scum to come up with a plan than in my first game (which I am going to keep referencing because I have no other good sources, apologies in advance. The "I'm not the person to decide if a massclaim is good" is a tribute to that) because they don't really know what PRs are in play.

Yeah, I'm just troubled how you keep talking about planning for what scum would do, not any cool interactions that might help town. I know you said early on that you were sure you were going to be scum and therefore planned accordingly, but I still find it odd that someone with so much homework procrastination time hasn't now gone back and looked at things more from a townie point of view rather than keeping on mentioning the scum-sided view of the setup.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #212 on: November 03, 2017, 05:54:44 pm »

Hey @schadd :-) hullo!

You said in the setup post that the roles summing up to whatever number you've picked are chosen from the list of six options, with no repeats. Were they randomly chosen with equal prior probability of coming up, or something else? Might you specify that part of the algorithm? Thanks!

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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #213 on: November 03, 2017, 06:07:20 pm »

Space Count

DatSwan (1): Dylan32
LaLight (2): SpaceAnemone, Galzria
Dylan32 (3): faust, AndrewisFTTW, LaLight
SpaceAnemone (1): Chairs
faust (2): Xxraptorslayer96, Awaclus
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #214 on: November 03, 2017, 06:13:05 pm »

Fair enough, but you could make that statement for any player. Why did you choose Faust? Why not his "potential" PIC, Galz?

Because reasons. I could go for Galz if others prefer him over faust.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #215 on: November 03, 2017, 06:32:13 pm »

Lots of new posts to consider, don't have the energy or willingness to sit down and carefully comb through everything.

unvote

I've had enough there. Moving on to vote: Andrew for managing to post and say less than I have.
Why not Dylan?

Because he hasn't really posted. I've yet to see a lurker lynch go well. What makes you so certain we should follow LAL here?

People who post are consistently scum read far more than those who do not because, as is the case with say, Dylan, there's nothing of value to assign a read to. This is largely advantageous as scum. Further, it's hugely disadvantageous as town because not only are you not creating interactions now and helping to find scum, but in future days the lack of participation can castrate the ability of the town to find scum.

LAL is not always the most likely place to find scum, but it's often the most advantageous place to lynch early in the game - either to catch lurking scum or remove unhelpful (and even hurtful) town.

Scum doesn't get an advantage by lurking, scum gets an advantage by posting a ton until they convince town to vote for someone they want to lynch.

This is demonstrably and historically false in -most- (not all) cases. In most cases scum does enough to not be the target of LAL, while participating enough to make sure they have opinions posted and varied in nature. Most scum tend to fall below average in post count, but not at the bottom. Rarely does scum want to be the leading voice in the game pushing lynches through that they know will be mislynches - and this is especially true D1, when the odds of a lynch falling on town without their extreme help is particularly high anyway.

Further, even if scum is choosing to be a loud voice in the game, they're creating far more interactions than the quieter ones, increasing both the likelihood that they're caught down the line, and increasing the chances we can follow a trail from them back to their partners.

Yes, scum CAN be a top poster and a loud voice D1 - but it's far more likely to come from town, and even if it IS from scum they're generally not the best lynch choice anyway.

With that said, vote: LaLight. Scummiest (imo) of the "middle" posters (LaLight, e, Swan, Skumpy, IDPTG, Chairs).

On the lurker side, I still think Raptor is scummiest - his responses have felt on point identical to me from his last game when he was scum - but I have no basis on which to judge his town play. Dylan could be scum, but there's nothing there to judge by. Andrew could be scum, but I'm withholding judgment for now.

Faust is town. Skumpy is townie, but feels forced (he did last game too, and like Raptor, I have no basis for scum!Skumpy). Everybody else is middling to me.

I will not lynch Faust or Skumpy today. e would probably be my next most "don't want to lynch".

There's a lot here. Lots of thoughts come to mind.

1. I'm new, but I don't like LALling on day 1, if ever. Especially when the guy hasn't even been on f.ds in 2 days (what if he's really dead? How would we know?) I like the IDPTG stance on Dylan/Andrew (more on that in a sec)

2. Stuff on scum being loud vs middle: I'm inclined to agree on this stuff. But small problem that's actually not small at all. Who falls into your 'loud so probably not scum' category? Apparently, you, faust, and Awaclus. Would you all be posting this much if you were scum? I think I know the answer to that: yes, yes you would. Now if it was Swan or Raptor being really active and doing a lot of live discussing, that might be different. Point is, everybody's been posting an amount so far that I would not be surprised by were they scum (am I extrapolating? Yes. Do I know everybody well enough? No. Do I not care and am just saying that because I like to talk in absolutes? Absolutely!)

3: The Skumpy files: You said I'm townie, and I'm still offended because I want to be town. On the 'no basis for Skummy Skumpy' - here's your basis: anything that's not this. I know I'm not getting lynched today, so I guess I have time yet to convince you more.

More random thoughts:


Andrew: It was a lot of empty posting early. And you're not as belligerent or aggressive as I remember you being. Only reason I'm not voting for you now is for the 2.7 accusation, since you're the only person besides me who is currently wary of him. But that doesn't really convince me there's definitely a town amongst you two.

Awaclus: I was kind of expecting to have been voted for him by now, I am kinda surprised he has not addressed me at all yet (Yes, I know exactly what this means his next post is going to be. I am willing to live with those consequences). In addition to me being skum, I was also expecting to be on the other faction before this game started. And since I'm town, I just feel like it's all part of the plan for me to be against him. Concerns here are further reinforced by his determination there's a scum in faust and galz, which I understand. And speaking of which:

Faust and Galzria: I don't know how else to put this: I am extremely scared that there is a scum or 2 here, and that I have no way of ever figuring it out except by lynching, which means potentially mislynching them. There's suddenly no animosity here and they seem to be in unison on everything, which is an extremely stark contrast to 105. I think I want to leave them alone in hopes that scum will save me the trouble and nightkill them (faust I can't lynch because I can't read him, Galzria will probably be my default-lynch-if-everything-is-going-badly-and-I-need-some-explanation-why), but I beseech you all to keep this in mind: when there's trouble and mayhem afoot, it's coming from the head.

I feel so confident while I'm writing this stuff, and then I realize that makes it, what, 6 or 7 people I've accused now? If anybody else wants me to put some incorrect heat on them, give me a ring, happy to oblige!
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #216 on: November 03, 2017, 06:48:27 pm »

Reread IDP expecting to want to vote him through inactivity, but I'm not feeling that right now.
Skumpy is entertaining and new, so he can stay.
Galz and faust are fine as they are.
Awaclus is being Awaclusy.
Could quite happily vote Andrew; his contributions don't have much content. I tend to scum-read him anyway, though.
LL is being quiet mostly. His talking at corss-purposes to Awaclus about the weak neighbourizer make me think they're not a scum team.
Swan's fakable townslip then weird breakdown of not-the-setup are probably more from inattention than scumminess for now, I think. I was scum with him last time I played, and he doesn't feel quite the same.
Dylan isn't here. I usually like Dylan and his playstyle, so I'm happy not lynching him yet.
Raptor needs to put in some personal text somewhere that lets us isolate his posts for targeted re-reads!
chairs is lurky as usual. THe part where he's voting to lynch me is less good. Not averse to returning the favour, but there are better targets for now.
e is talkative. Would be nice if he engaged with discussions more. But the same complaint could be made about me too.

I'll vote: Andrew for tonight.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (now's the time, the time is now!)
« Reply #217 on: November 03, 2017, 06:55:04 pm »

It seems a lot tougher for scum to come up with a plan than in my first game (which I am going to keep referencing because I have no other good sources, apologies in advance. The "I'm not the person to decide if a massclaim is good" is a tribute to that) because they don't really know what PRs are in play.

Yeah, I'm just troubled how you keep talking about planning for what scum would do, not any cool interactions that might help town. I know you said early on that you were sure you were going to be scum and therefore planned accordingly, but I still find it odd that someone with so much homework procrastination time hasn't now gone back and looked at things more from a townie point of view rather than keeping on mentioning the scum-sided view of the setup.

Yay! Accusations!

Firstly, good points have been made about the setup since. Just wanna throw it out there that I like faust's neighborizer plan for day2.

I wasn't preparing for skum setup strategy before the game start btw, setup stuff for me started after PM's were sent. The point is when I'm thinking about the setup: what do I know about town? Nothing - every role has a 50/50 shot (unless I'm a PR of course. But I'm definitely not one or anything). What do I know about scum? That thanks to my remembrance of dice games in 3rd grade, the middle values are more likely. The odds seem pretty good for 6 and very good for 6,7,8. I imagine that the best way to approach things is to assume the most likely scenario is indeed what is happening, and in this case, the most likely scenario(s) dictate we have a roleblocker. That should impact what town decides to do.

Honestly, the only decision town needs to make day 1 is whether to massclaim or not (and obviously it's not happening at this point, I get that). I don't see value in only partial claiming for any roles, it comes down to a desperate 50/50 on whether we have a doctor or not. The best part about mass claiming is that gives us potential to clear a bunch of townies. There is nothing scum can to do predict a safeclaim, unless they wait until the very end. If there's somebody who'll be on the chopping block with 5 hours to go and has to claim a role to save themselves, now we have to scramble. And quite frankly, I like having an IC around to manage the game and keep people in check.

The setup post anyways was more about me rejecting RVS than anything, I knew there wasn't going to be a massclaim. Until your last post, I hadn't thought about setup, I felt there was enough to go off to start casting votes. If we're still alive for it, you can believe the first thing I'll be doing day 2 is taking another look at the setup and situation.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #218 on: November 03, 2017, 07:05:50 pm »

Reread IDP expecting to want to vote him through inactivity, but I'm not feeling that right now.

Did you expect that because of this game or previous games with me?

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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #219 on: November 03, 2017, 07:17:02 pm »

Reread IDP expecting to want to vote him through inactivity, but I'm not feeling that right now.
Skumpy is entertaining and new, so he can stay.
Galz and faust are fine as they are.
Awaclus is being Awaclusy.
Could quite happily vote Andrew; his contributions don't have much content. I tend to scum-read him anyway, though.
LL is being quiet mostly. His talking at corss-purposes to Awaclus about the weak neighbourizer make me think they're not a scum team.
Swan's fakable townslip then weird breakdown of not-the-setup are probably more from inattention than scumminess for now, I think. I was scum with him last time I played, and he doesn't feel quite the same.
Dylan isn't here. I usually like Dylan and his playstyle, so I'm happy not lynching him yet.
Raptor needs to put in some personal text somewhere that lets us isolate his posts for targeted re-reads!
chairs is lurky as usual. THe part where he's voting to lynch me is less good. Not averse to returning the favour, but there are better targets for now.
e is talkative. Would be nice if he engaged with discussions more. But the same complaint could be made about me too.

I'll vote: Andrew for tonight.

If you want content all you gotta do is ask. Voting for me implies that you're scumreading me. Is that true?
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia
« Reply #220 on: November 03, 2017, 11:17:37 pm »

Vote count 1.2

DatSwan (1): Dylan32
AndrewisFTTW (2): IDontPlayThisGame, SpaceAnemone
LaLight (1): Galzria
Dylan32 (3): faust, AndrewisFTTW, LaLight
SpaceAnemone (1): chairs
faust (2): Xxraptorslayer96, Awaclus
IDontPlayThisGame (1): 2.71828...
2.71828... (1): Skumpy

not voting (1): DatSwan

with 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. day 1 ends tuesday, november 7th at 21:00 forum time.

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What happens if a neighborizer gets roleblocked?

the action fails; no neighborhood opens, no dying happens.
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Question - since this set up is different then 108 (no drafting) did skum find out about their PRs in like the “pre-twilight” game stage with time to talk about their game plan or after the game started?

scum were made aware of their factional abilities in N0 if they have them.
Hey @schadd :-) hullo!

You said in the setup post that the roles summing up to whatever number you've picked are chosen from the list of six options, with no repeats. Were they randomly chosen with equal prior probability of coming up, or something else? Might you specify that part of the algorithm? Thanks!

10 decide to choose 2 roles, 3 roles or 4 roles
20 choose n roles, no repeats; any particular combination of n roles is equally likely (nothing happens here to regulate the sum)
30 if the sum of the role numbers isn't more than 3 and less than 9 scrap it and goto 10

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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #221 on: November 04, 2017, 06:06:58 am »

I'll do a reread soon if I have time.

Do you really need to reread here, or are you just trying to give the illusion of participation? There's what? 100 posts so far? This has been the slowest D1 in my memory.

Good point. Vote: IDPTG

Lame. Don't like it. I feel like I hear someone complain about how slow D1 is every game.
I feel like every game these days has horribly slow D1s. Especially those where there isn't much setup talk to be done.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #222 on: November 04, 2017, 06:19:43 am »

Hey @schadd :-) hullo!

You said in the setup post that the roles summing up to whatever number you've picked are chosen from the list of six options, with no repeats. Were they randomly chosen with equal prior probability of coming up, or something else? Might you specify that part of the algorithm? Thanks!

10 decide to choose 2 roles, 3 roles or 4 roles
20 choose n roles, no repeats; any particular combination of n roles is equally likely (nothing happens here to regulate the sum)
30 if the sum of the role numbers isn't more than 3 and less than 9 scrap it and goto 10

It's interesting that this algorithm makes it so not all numbers of roles are equally likely.

For 2 roles, there are (6 choose 2) = 15 possible picks. Out of these, 5 lead to termination. I.e. if 2 is chosen in step 10, then there's a 1/3 chance of reset.
For 3 roles, there is no combination that causes a reset.
For 4 roles, there are also 15 possible picks. Total sum of picks is 12, so those that are larger than 8 are exactly those where the not-chosen ones are smaller than 4, i.e. the inverse settings of the 2 role scenario. So also a 1/3 chance of reset.

The chance of 2 or 4 being chosen is thus 1/3*2/3 + 1/3*1/3*1/3*2/3+(1/3)^4*1/3*2/3+... or put differently, 2/9*sum( (1/9)^i) = 2/9*9/8=1/4.

Thus the chance of 3 roles is 50%.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #223 on: November 04, 2017, 06:30:57 am »

1. I'm new, but I don't like LALling on day 1, if ever. Especially when the guy hasn't even been on f.ds in 2 days (what if he's really dead? How would we know?) I like the IDPTG stance on Dylan/Andrew (more on that in a sec)
Well, worst comes to worst, I hope we get a replacement. I should note that I am specifically not voting for him because of his absence, but because of what he posted before that, which was all hollow, but not with the townie kind of vibe that Andrew gives off.

2. Stuff on scum being loud vs middle: I'm inclined to agree on this stuff. But small problem that's actually not small at all. Who falls into your 'loud so probably not scum' category? Apparently, you, faust, and Awaclus. Would you all be posting this much if you were scum? I think I know the answer to that: yes, yes you would. Now if it was Swan or Raptor being really active and doing a lot of live discussing, that might be different. Point is, everybody's been posting an amount so far that I would not be surprised by were they scum (am I extrapolating? Yes. Do I know everybody well enough? No. Do I not care and am just saying that because I like to talk in absolutes? Absolutely!)
Well, Swan has actually been more active here than in M108's D1. He's just VLA now.

Faust and Galzria: I don't know how else to put this: I am extremely scared that there is a scum or 2 here, and that I have no way of ever figuring it out except by lynching, which means potentially mislynching them. There's suddenly no animosity here and they seem to be in unison on everything, which is an extremely stark contrast to 105. I think I want to leave them alone in hopes that scum will save me the trouble and nightkill them (faust I can't lynch because I can't read him, Galzria will probably be my default-lynch-if-everything-is-going-badly-and-I-need-some-explanation-why), but I beseech you all to keep this in mind: when there's trouble and mayhem afoot, it's coming from the head.

I feel so confident while I'm writing this stuff, and then I realize that makes it, what, 6 or 7 people I've accused now? If anybody else wants me to put some incorrect heat on them, give me a ring, happy to oblige!
Well you have a way, which is seeing if we're still alive later on, and seeing if we help lynch scum, and if so, how. That is usually the best way to deal with people that you cannot get a good read on otherwise.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #224 on: November 04, 2017, 01:54:52 pm »

I'm starting to feel like LaLight might be a better place to move my vote. His posts have been rather empty aside from a little bit about the Neighborizer, but that was all stuff from the Role PM rather than theory.

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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #225 on: November 04, 2017, 02:01:03 pm »

Right now I'm looking at lack of content rather than outright scumminess because I haven't seen anything that stands out D1. I think the longer posts will be more telling D2. Leaning town on Skumpy and DatSwan.

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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #226 on: November 04, 2017, 06:36:32 pm »

Well, because no one was talking, I ran some numbers on scum roles.

4: Nothing: 17.5%
5: Rolecop: 20%
6: Roleblocker: 37.5%
7: Rolecop and Roleblocker: 17.5%
8: Daytalk, Rolecop, and Roleblocker: 7.5%

Therefore,
Rolecop: 45%
Roleblocker: 62.5%
Rolecop and Roleblocker: 25%

Not entirely sure what it gets us, but it's something.

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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #227 on: November 04, 2017, 06:45:32 pm »

I could look into which roles we're most likely to have, but I don't know if that'll help scum more than town.

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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #228 on: November 04, 2017, 06:59:31 pm »

I could look into which roles we're most likely to have, but I don't know if that'll help scum more than town.

I did it anyway. They're all equally likely.

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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #229 on: November 04, 2017, 07:57:45 pm »

Hey raptor. Any opinions yet?

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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #230 on: November 04, 2017, 08:13:12 pm »

Reread IDP expecting to want to vote him through inactivity, but I'm not feeling that right now.

Did you expect that because of this game or previous games with me?

I'd gotten the impression from my brief skim-read earlier that people were pointing out your inactivity/lack of content, but I didn't feel that your posts were particularly scummy-indicative when I re-read you. Which was marginally disappointing, because it would have made my job easier if there was someone being kind of clearly not-pro-town :-P

Oh, and @Andrew, you were scum in our very first encounter, so maybe you'll always be a bit scummy to me.
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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #231 on: November 04, 2017, 08:22:02 pm »

Thus the chance of 3 roles is 50%.

Nice result :-)  schadd's method is not what I would have assumed was the most obvious way to sort out the disallowed states, so I'd have come up with different numbers without that clarification. As it is, I haven't yet had time to work the rest of the role probabilities through myself yet, which was what I wanted to do with the algorithm overall, but it looks like IDP has done a pass :-)

ur mom is an obvious way to sort out disallowed states

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Re: M110: led zeppelin mafia (day 1 !)
« Reply #232 on: November 04, 2017, 08:23:07 pm »

Oh, and @Andrew, you were scum in our very first encounter, so maybe you'll always be a bit scummy to me.

I think you're a better player than that. Skumpy doesn't like that Faust and I aren't at odds because we were so much in his first game. I would expect that line of thought from newer players. But you've been around long enough and are good enough to make adjustment; to not let past biases influence current reads.

What had Andrew said that reads scummy to you?
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

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Total Losses: 20

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