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[faust]

Not a huge fan of this RR wagon situation going on. I believe that skum!RR would come up with a post and a vote in the situation presented. Initially I thought skum!Teproc for pushing the vote so hard, but I just don't see it... too helpful so far in driving the discussion towards useful material.

That's what scum!Teproc does too. It's not an alignment tell.

[faust]

Right now I feel like I don't have like a solid skum lead on anyone, so I am not going to cast a vote right this moment. If we still have no movement by tomorrow evening I will force out a chum2skum list and cast for the skummiest.

Also you don't need a solid scum lead to vote. All you need is pretend that you do.

[O]

I can't speak about RR's past history, but that he came and posted so many posts after a train got rolling on him, tells me that he was indeed lurking purposefully and is scum.

Vote: RR

Also, again, I'm against bid claiming. Not sure what kind of info we should get from that. We might have additional info for the long game, but also have a high chance to lose town PR's early. Latter seems worse to me.

the kind of info is pretty clear: the proponents assume that scum wouldn't have bid on the same number twice, so if scum with with #4 and three other people have claimed #4 those other three are looking pretty solid

[O]

Right now I feel like I don't have like a solid skum lead on anyone, so I am not going to cast a vote right this moment. If we still have no movement by tomorrow evening I will force out a chum2skum list and cast for the skummiest.

Also you don't need a solid scum lead to vote. All you need is pretend that you do.

wait am i supposed to be pretending I think Eevees scum here

[faust]

I can't speak about RR's past history, but that he came and posted so many posts after a train got rolling on him, tells me that he was indeed lurking purposefully and is scum.

Vote: RR

Also, again, I'm against bid claiming. Not sure what kind of info we should get from that. We might have additional info for the long game, but also have a high chance to lose town PR's early. Latter seems worse to me.

the kind of info is pretty clear: the proponents assume that scum wouldn't have bid on the same number twice, so if scum with with #4 and three other people have claimed #4 those other three are looking pretty solid

But of course unless we lynch the scum among them, we won't ever know. There could be no scum there, but who knows. And it does not include Smoke Monster/Mother considerations. It's just not really worth it. I don't see how it would make any practical difference in how we play this day.

[faust]

Right now I feel like I don't have like a solid skum lead on anyone, so I am not going to cast a vote right this moment. If we still have no movement by tomorrow evening I will force out a chum2skum list and cast for the skummiest.

Also you don't need a solid scum lead to vote. All you need is pretend that you do.

wait am i supposed to be pretending I think Eevees scum here

You don't have to because you really think Eevee's scum!


Right?

[Qvist]

Or 2 others could have bid on the same number purposefully or wait. They could just claim the same number even. As long as we don't have order numbers.
Also claiming bids before orders seems just wrong as the others can just lie.
If we claim, we have to do it the other way around as this at least assures that people don't lie. Unless I am missing something.
But not sure I like any claim at the moment.

[O]

Right now I feel like I don't have like a solid skum lead on anyone, so I am not going to cast a vote right this moment. If we still have no movement by tomorrow evening I will force out a chum2skum list and cast for the skummiest.

Also you don't need a solid scum lead to vote. All you need is pretend that you do.

wait am i supposed to be pretending I think Eevees scum here

You don't have to because you really think Eevee's scum!


Right?

eh he's as scum to me as anyone else here. More so than some people

[gkrieg13]

People as they are dying should consider claiming position and bid though.

[Swowl]

Not a huge fan of this RR wagon situation going on. I believe that skum!RR would come up with a post and a vote in the situation presented. Initially I thought skum!Teproc for pushing the vote so hard, but I just don't see it... too helpful so far in driving the discussion towards useful material.

That's what scum!Teproc does too. It's not an alignment tell.

Clarification request - is this to say "skum!Teproc would be driving discussion towards useful material"?

[Swowl]

People as they are dying should consider claiming position and bid though.

skummy

[faust]

Not a huge fan of this RR wagon situation going on. I believe that skum!RR would come up with a post and a vote in the situation presented. Initially I thought skum!Teproc for pushing the vote so hard, but I just don't see it... too helpful so far in driving the discussion towards useful material.

That's what scum!Teproc does too. It's not an alignment tell.

Clarification request - is this to say "skum!Teproc would be driving discussion towards useful material"?

Yes.

[Swowl]

super skummy actually - vote: gkrieg

[faust]

What makes that so scummy?

[O]

it's completely correct and not scummy at all...

[Qvist]

Agreed, it seems super reasonable.

[Swowl]

? Am I missing something here?
Person looking like they get the rope
Person claims role (obv claims town based role)
The rest of us re-evaluated based on new knowledge

Do we not just give Skum a free claim a decent amount of the time here?

[Swowl]

wow DAMA I guess, I totally mis read...
I thought the action was to claim... like claim role.

Yes - this makes sense sorry.

[Swowl]

oh yeah
unvote

[O]

I mean, role claiming before lynches also happens... not a requirement or anything but it's not some taboo. You just shouldn't take claims as always true.

[faust]

? Am I missing something here?
Person looking like they get the rope
Person claims role (obv claims town based role)
The rest of us re-evaluated based on new knowledge

Do we not just give Skum a free claim a decent amount of the time here?

Well you may have misread, but we still want lynchees to absolutely claim their role. Imagine we lynch a Gunsmith or Watcher with some results and they don't get to claim it. That's super bad. And the "free claim" is not really good for scum. I mean yes we reevaluate with new knowledge, but if we actually do have more knowledge than before, then that is a good thing. And of course we should always consider that the person may be lying. Still, if we end up lynching a townie, it is essential that they reveal as much info as possible before dying.

[Jimmmmm]

I can't speak about RR's past history, but that he came and posted so many posts after a train got rolling on him, tells me that he was indeed lurking purposefully and is scum.

I don't buy this argument. As someone who finds myself in the "need to catch up" camp a bunch of times, this can certainly come from Town or scum. In this case I think RR is more likely Town.

[Eevee]

I won't lie (because i'm town), I'm kind of lurking purposefully, meaning I'm reading along but it's just too many people for me to find anything reasonable to say. My plan is to shoot semi-random votes and hope I get lucky and hit scum.

I feel our day 1 chances might honestly be worse with careful analysis and crafted arguments. Scum can, and will just latch onto the best sounding ones and town will be lynched.

For day 1, with a town this size, maybe chaos is our best chance?

[iguanaiguana]

Eevee seems pretty town.

[Qvist]

Eevee seems pretty town.

Why? I didn't see anything towny in that post.