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[faust]

About Jake. This is his wagon at peak:

JaketheBaseballGod22 (5): faust, Robz888, The_Wine_Merchant, Skumpy, gkrieg13

Both players who since flipped town are on there. I am town, of course you don't know that, and I have town reads on TWM and Skumpy. So it is very much possible that this is an all-town wagon. Which is definitely interesting for an easy mislynch like Jake.

It also was not a quick wagon, but happened over the course of a hundred posts, plenty of time for scum to join in unsuspiciously.

So yeah, combined with the 1-shot Commuter thing (which I remember at the beginning of the game and then forgot) that I think makes Galzria more likely to be town, I am ready to vote: Jake again.

[faust]

Galz - whether or not you claim as skum or don't claim as skum... you are claiming to be town. Why claim town? What's your gain? We all know what your gain would be if you are skum, but what is the gain if you are town?

You should probably post in another part if the forum to raise your post count to 1, which means you no longer need to confirm you're not a bot.

Also you need to post a list with your reads on all living players.

[faust]

What a joke.

Think i am kinda done with this game.

Can you address what this was about? I think it was about the last minute voting but I'm still not sure.

No.

Why so serious? Can't answer simple questions? Can't explain your reasoning of your own words?
Scum.

No offense, but your scumhunting techniques could use some refinement.

[Skumpy]

First off, I realized I finally had good material for a signature, so thank you TWM.

Faust...makes a really convincing argument. And if he's right, I've definitely got blood on my hands.

I'm personally not going to cast a vote yet, for a few reasons. One is to at least give Jake a chance to defend himself. More importantly, I want to know where everybody stands on Jake, since there are some people who haven't really committed one way or the other on him.

Right now, it doesn't look like anybody else has any chance of being lynched, so I'm going to exercise a little patience. I think at this point, the last 2 people voting doesn't really matter, it's a good opportunity for scum to bus. But I'd like to hear some more talking first.

[Skumpy]

I think at this point, the last 2 people voting doesn't really matter, it's a good opportunity for scum to bus.

Should've added "If they haven't already"

[faust]

First off, I realized I finally had good material for a signature, so thank you TWM.

Using a quote from an ongoing game in your signature will sometimes be seen as violating the "don't talk about the game outside of the game thread" rule. I personally think it's bad practice.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

About Jake. This is his wagon at peak:

JaketheBaseballGod22 (5): faust, Robz888, The_Wine_Merchant, Skumpy, gkrieg13

Both players who since flipped town are on there. I am town, of course you don't know that, and I have town reads on TWM and Skumpy. So it is very much possible that this is an all-town wagon. Which is definitely interesting for an easy mislynch like Jake.

It also was not a quick wagon, but happened over the course of a hundred posts, plenty of time for scum to join in unsuspiciously.

So yeah, combined with the 1-shot Commuter thing (which I remember at the beginning of the game and then forgot) that I think makes Galzria more likely to be town, I am ready to vote: Jake again.

This is an interesting point. I too have a town read on Skumpy, so that really only leaves you as the question mark on this wagon. If you are both (you and Jake) scum, then now would be the opportune time to join, but I think you would find a better way of doing it that the above.

And, as you say, there was ample time for others to join the Jake wagon if he was town to cause a mislynch. Even if you or Skumpy are scum why weren't the other players joining to push it through? Lurking might be the most simple explanation, but is also the easiest to come up with.

If all Jake voters at this stage are town (which I am not fully comfortable with establishing yet, but I'll roll with it) then the following must have three scum: Datswan, RR, Andrew, chairs, raptor, Jake and Galz.

[Roadrunner7671]

About Jake. This is his wagon at peak:

JaketheBaseballGod22 (5): faust, Robz888, The_Wine_Merchant, Skumpy, gkrieg13

Both players who since flipped town are on there. I am town, of course you don't know that, and I have town reads on TWM and Skumpy. So it is very much possible that this is an all-town wagon. Which is definitely interesting for an easy mislynch like Jake.

It also was not a quick wagon, but happened over the course of a hundred posts, plenty of time for scum to join in unsuspiciously.

So yeah, combined with the 1-shot Commuter thing (which I remember at the beginning of the game and then forgot) that I think makes Galzria more likely to be town, I am ready to vote: Jake again.

This is fairly convincing, giving that I have a slight town read on you and Skumpy, and I definitely want Jake to address this.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Vote: jake

This seems fun and I might have to join you.

In other news, Galz has been saying over and over that 'it's not something scum would do.' This is obviously a terrible argument, because playing well as scum requires you doing things that people don't thinl scum would do. So why is his logic so bad? Either he's town or didn't plan this claim out very well. I don't know that much about Galz's playstyle but I'm pretty sure he's a vet, so I think he planned this out. I still don't want to give him townpoints for doing that though.

Why not give him scumpoints for it instead of no townpoints?

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

I don't believe there is a valid reason for scum to claim like I did, I do believe I'm less likely to bee lynched

These two points directly contradict each other. If it makes you less likely to be lynched, then that's a perfectly valid reason for scum to claim like you did.

Again, I disagree. My goal as scum is to win, not avoid lynch on D2. I believe that as scum I have much stronger plays down the road by keeping silent now - at the very least my doors are open. Town doesn't have that option unless town lies, which does have it's merits albeit few. Locking myself in now hurts my scum game far more than it helps - especially as I wasn't likely to be lynched coming in to today anyway. As scum, this is all incredibly wrong.

Totally want to pull up your quote earlier this game where you said "I wouldn't do this as scum" is a super scummy thing to say.

Agree Vote: Galzria

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Excited

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Almost caught up. Just wanted to say I agree on those town reads, at least Skumpy and TWM. Skumpy I don't think can make up everything he's been saying as scum. TWM is overly-dramatic as usual, that means he's town. chairs I'm not really sure about.

I think you underestimate me. Or maybe I overestimate myself.

Oh so you ARE scum?

sigh. *If I ever am skum*. I'd like to think I can be crafty enough to make fake reads.


I'm not so sure how I feel anymore about a Jake lynch. He's not my number 1 suspect anymore, but his death maybe could help some regardless of how he reveals. Which is also a good reason to vote me, but let's not worry about that right now. I'm not going to help with a quicklynch, but I'm a willing voter if the deadline approaches.

XX, why did you vote Jake over me?

I guess I'm still just giving you space to see how you play, arguments were semi compelling in on D1 that you were town. You still throw me as odd but rather keep you around if you truly are town

Jake also jusy throws me as odd but he has yet to prove he's not scum to me in any way. Vote will likely change but I don't mind casting my vote towards him as now.

I'm not trying to prove I'm town I'm trying to find scum.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Yeah, unfortunate the premature "gladiatorial combat" moment there, since it makes it harder to decide if the Robz lynch was important to scum or not. I lean towards yes, which is part of why I'm voting for Jake now.

Are there specific elements that make you think the Robz lynch was pushed by scum ?

The way things slowed like molasses at the end felt weird to me.

Right but... how does that indicate one over the other ?

Unwillingness to swap from one person to the other? Although maybe I'm misreading and scum was trying to push a no lynch in the first place.

No one wants to abandon who they believe is scum in favor of a different lynch.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Out of curiosity, is there anybody who believes Jake is a bad lynch today? Judging from past games, he is often a victim of the mislynch, right? I don't want to defend him, but if he is town, it's an easy lynch to make happen. I don't know...something feels very amiss. Am I just paranoid...

I am wanting him to show that he isn't a bad lynch. He has failed to do so thus far. So he is a good lynch.

I'd rather find a better lynch than defend myself.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Out of curiosity, is there anybody who believes Jake is a bad lynch today? Judging from past games, he is often a victim of the mislynch, right? I don't want to defend him, but if he is town, it's an easy lynch to make happen. I don't know...something feels very amiss. Am I just paranoid...

I am wanting him to show that he isn't a bad lynch. He has failed to do so thus far. So he is a good lynch.

I'd rather find a better lynch than defend myself.

On actual scum

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

About Jake. This is his wagon at peak:

JaketheBaseballGod22 (5): faust, Robz888, The_Wine_Merchant, Skumpy, gkrieg13

Both players who since flipped town are on there. I am town, of course you don't know that, and I have town reads on TWM and Skumpy. So it is very much possible that this is an all-town wagon. Which is definitely interesting for an easy mislynch like Jake.

It also was not a quick wagon, but happened over the course of a hundred posts, plenty of time for scum to join in unsuspiciously.

So yeah, combined with the 1-shot Commuter thing (which I remember at the beginning of the game and then forgot) that I think makes Galzria more likely to be town, I am ready to vote: Jake again.

Only problem is that gkrieg later voted robz and robz didn't really have a choice of where to vote because it was me or him.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Underwhelmed

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Reads so far

Scum
Skumpy
Galzria
X
Town
Teproc
TWM

Possible X's/ null
RR
Chairs
Andrew
Faust
Datswan
Xx

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Underwhelmed

Cool

[chairs]

Hokay then.

Unrelated to Mafia or anything but Jake did I recommend Off Speed by Terry McDermott to you yet?

[chairs]

(It's a baseball book)

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Hokay then.

Unrelated to Mafia or anything but Jake did I recommend Off Speed by Terry McDermott to you yet?

You did

[chairs]

Cool.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

So. Let's vote Jake.

[Teproc]

Don't have time right now, but I do not like the Jake lynch at all.