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Re: M105: Time Management Mafia (D1)
« Reply #50 on: July 30, 2017, 03:38:00 pm »

vote: Faust

Chairs and Faust are the team.
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Re: M105: Time Management Mafia (D1)
« Reply #51 on: July 30, 2017, 03:52:21 pm »

vote: Faust

Chairs and Faust are the team.

Vote: gkrieg

For pretending like he doesn't know there are 3 scum in this game.
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Re: M105: Time Management Mafia (D1)
« Reply #52 on: July 30, 2017, 03:54:32 pm »

Vote: Faust for being around
Well I am certainly glad I won't be around for the end of the day then.
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Re: M105: Time Management Mafia (D1)
« Reply #53 on: July 30, 2017, 03:56:16 pm »

gkrieg doesn't NOT read setups by the way, so that's not a valid excuse.
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Re: M105: Time Management Mafia (D1)
« Reply #54 on: July 30, 2017, 03:58:08 pm »

gkrieg doesn't NOT read setups by the way, so that's not a valid excuse.
I don't think there's much point in explaining which excuses would be invalid before gkrieg has even given one.
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Re: M105: Time Management Mafia (D1)
« Reply #55 on: July 30, 2017, 04:00:05 pm »

gkrieg doesn't NOT read setups by the way, so that's not a valid excuse.
I don't think there's much point in explaining which excuses would be invalid before gkrieg has even given one.

Do you agree that would not be a valid excuse?
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Re: M105: Time Management Mafia (D1)
« Reply #56 on: July 30, 2017, 04:08:10 pm »

vote: Faust

Chairs and Faust are the team.

Vote: gkrieg

For pretending like he doesn't know there are 3 scum in this game.

I never said they were the full team. I know there are three scums.
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Re: M105: Time Management Mafia (D1)
« Reply #57 on: July 30, 2017, 04:11:28 pm »

vote: Faust

Chairs and Faust are the team.

You said they are THE team, implying there are no other members of the scum team.
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Re: M105: Time Management Mafia (D1)
« Reply #58 on: July 30, 2017, 04:13:10 pm »

vote: Faust

Chairs and Faust are the team.

You said they are THE team, implying there are no other members of the scum team.
Vote Andrew
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Re: M105: Time Management Mafia (D1)
« Reply #59 on: July 30, 2017, 04:17:13 pm »

vote: Faust

Chairs and Faust are the team.

You said they are THE team, implying there are no other members of the scum team.
Vote Andrew

Well said.
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Re: M105: Time Management Mafia (D1)
« Reply #60 on: July 30, 2017, 04:23:57 pm »

Hi. Never been an IC before. Can't say it's a role that particularly plays to my strenghts, but oh well.

Appropriately enough, I don't have time for this right now. But people: read the setup. Last time I modded this, the Cop
 - Hydrad - forgot Psychotrooper even existed until, like, day 4. Don't be a Hydrad. Look up what your role implicates, don't openly show you know there's a role there etc... don't be lazy, essentially. Unless you're scum, that is.
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Re: M105: Time Management Mafia (D1)
« Reply #61 on: July 30, 2017, 04:31:19 pm »

New faces! Hello everybody!

Hello, I am NewFace! Nice to play with you all. Well, 9 of you at any rate...
Nice to be town so I don't have too much pressure my first game, but if I ever get scum, you'll be able to read me like a book or brochure.

So questions about roles which I have prepared beforehand:

What’s a commuter do?
Does the doctor/target know if they get saved/attacked?
Can a doctor heal himself/watcher watch himself? (and if yes, is there a limit?)
Do Watchers/Trackers get something different than ‘No Result’ if there’s no activity?
If a visiting role gets roleblocked, will the watcher/tracker still see him visit?
If x-shot gets roleblocked while attempting a shot, do they lose a shot?
Can Roleblockers block each other?
Would a non-investigative know if he’s roleblocked?
Role’s don’t get flipped, but the UB will know of their new role and thus know that dead dude had a role, correct?

Can any scum member commit a kill? Do they choose who does it during the night?
Is there still a kill if the roleblocker blocks the last living scum?
Mechanic #2 in the setup: Does this apply to all mafia or just the killer?
Can Ninjas be roleblocked?

I’m definitely not a PR or anything. Just asking for a friend…



And now for questions about setup:
I assume there's a rule about being unable to claim favor. That seems like it would make it too easy.

But even if there is, suppose I'm Precise Alarm Clock (Doctor, mod 1)

A) I'm the doctor (mod 1 is working). In which case, I claim doctor, and either IC myself or set up a WIFOM with 1 scum.

B) I'm the not-doctor (mod 1 is not working). In which case, I can claim "I ain't no doc, but I know nobody here ain't no doc neither!" Which again either IC's myself or sets up a WIFOM.

Wouldn't this just instantly clear like half the town? Am I missing something?


(And if you're wondering, I've looked through enough mafia games that I am now a lingo master)
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Re: M105: Time Management Mafia (D1)
« Reply #62 on: July 30, 2017, 04:53:10 pm »

Hrm. Most of these questions are easily answered by mafiascum, which I presume you are not aware of ? It has an excellent wiki. Anyway :

Commuter - that's me - can commute at night, which means any action targeting me will fail. In this case it's a one-shot.
Doctor targets don't know they've been doctored, no.
Doctor can't target itself, neither can a Watcher.
"No result" or "no one"... that one depends on the mod, worth checking.

Does a Watcher get a different result if their action fails than if they didn't detect anything ?

Roleblocking entirely stops a role from happening, so the roleblocked player won't be targeting anyone, and thus won't be seen.
Yes, they lose a shot if they're roleblocked.
ROlebockers can block each other. This one is actually in the setup: town!roleblock trumps mafia!roleblock. They're both beaten by rolestopping though.
A non-investigative PR wouldn't know if they were roleblocked. It's possible some investigative PRs wouldn't either - see above.
UB knows what they inherit, not sure if they know how many shots they have, but it can't be 0 here.
Any scum member can do the NK, they get to choose.
Roleblocker does stop the NK, regardless of how many scum there are.
I don't understand that one, it means whoever does the mafia NK can't do another power that night.
Ninjas can be roleblocked.
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Re: M105: Time Management Mafia (D1)
« Reply #63 on: July 30, 2017, 04:56:10 pm »

You can claim flavor. This setup is not called WIFOM for nothing.

Claiming in this way would not clear anyone as mafia can fakeclaim, and it would definitely out PRs. I am fairly certain it's a terrible idea. Mafia knows exactly which PRs there are, which makes fakeclaims very, very easy for them. Which means you basically get no towncrd for claiming, unless you have something tangible, which you certainly don't on D1.
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Re: M105: Time Management Mafia (D1)
« Reply #64 on: July 30, 2017, 04:57:09 pm »

Finally, let's keep up some WIFOM here, but let's say some of these questions may already help mafia POE which PR you are or are no, if you are town. In the future, consult the mafiascum wiki rather than asking here.
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Re: M105: Time Management Mafia (D1)
« Reply #65 on: July 30, 2017, 04:58:23 pm »

People should be able to get an alignment tell on skump from this I think. Get to work on that people.
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Re: M105: Time Management Mafia (D1)
« Reply #66 on: July 30, 2017, 05:08:38 pm »

People should be able to get an alignment tell on skump from this I think. Get to work on that people.

You don't see anything in gkrieg calling the scum team?
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Re: M105: Time Management Mafia (D1)
« Reply #67 on: July 30, 2017, 05:43:49 pm »

People should be able to get an alignment tell on skump from this I think. Get to work on that people.

You don't see anything in gkrieg calling the scum team?
You aren't asking me. But no.
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Re: M105: Time Management Mafia (D1)
« Reply #68 on: July 30, 2017, 05:46:55 pm »

People should be able to get an alignment tell on skump from this I think. Get to work on that people.
I mean. I saw things that could be from scum and things that could be from town. But I didn't see an Awaclus style type tell that was specific.
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Re: M105: Time Management Mafia (D1)
« Reply #69 on: July 30, 2017, 05:52:55 pm »

People should be able to get an alignment tell on skump from this I think. Get to work on that people.

You don't see anything in gkrieg calling the scum team?
no
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Re: M105: Time Management Mafia (D1)
« Reply #70 on: July 30, 2017, 06:24:03 pm »

vote: Faust

Chairs and Faust are the team.

You said they are THE team, implying there are no other members of the scum team.

It was clearly RVS...
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Re: M105: Time Management Mafia (D1)
« Reply #71 on: July 30, 2017, 06:26:05 pm »

People should be able to get an alignment tell on skump from this I think. Get to work on that people.
I mean. I saw things that could be from scum and things that could be from town. But I didn't see an Awaclus style type tell that was specific.

I didn't mean "tell" in an Awaclusian way. I meant it's an actual thing that was not RVS that people can get a read from, and we can start the game proper through that. Discuss.
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Re: M105: Time Management Mafia (D1)
« Reply #72 on: July 30, 2017, 06:35:31 pm »

Ok. Mostly town tell. That is a lot of questions. Newbie player would have wanted them answered at first opportunity, so scum quicktopic. So either he asked them there and team told him it would be townie to ask here. Or he had foresight to save them.

Also specific questions about mafia actions are more townie as those would definitely be asked in the QT over here.

Scummy--worrying about how game mechanics, misunderstanding them negatively affect mafia. Could be more likely from a scum mindset if that is his alignmnet and he sees his chances of winning hurt. But probably just overall wanting the game to be balanced so it is more fun if he is town. So not that scummy.

Overall a townier feel.
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Re: M105: Time Management Mafia (D1)
« Reply #73 on: July 30, 2017, 06:48:07 pm »

Fwiw I get more of a scum read off Faust for calling Chairs town (something scum can do safely enough about anyone at any point) than I do about gkrieg calling "the" mafia team. It's all RVS though so I put no weight in any of it really.

Andrew's semantics argument reminds me of my own argument on Reggie D1 of M100, where Reggie was town and I was scum.
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
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SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

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Re: M105: Time Management Mafia (D1)
« Reply #74 on: July 30, 2017, 07:18:42 pm »

vote: Faust

Chairs and Faust are the team.

You said they are THE team, implying there are no other members of the scum team.

It was clearly RVS...

Which part? The vote? Calling the team? Both?

Fwiw I get more of a scum read off Faust for calling Chairs town (something scum can do safely enough about anyone at any point) than I do about gkrieg calling "the" mafia team. It's all RVS though so I put no weight in any of it really.

Andrew's semantics argument reminds me of my own argument on Reggie D1 of M100, where Reggie was town and I was scum.

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