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REQ: Cost math tables
« on: June 12, 2017, 01:40:46 pm »
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Hello, hello

Well as much as I enjoy Dominion, there is one place that I still struggle.. simple cost reduction math, including Potions and now Debt.

is there a table out there for each 'cost reduction' type that will help us understand a little better, what we are allowed to do?

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Re: REQ: Cost math tables
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2017, 02:20:49 pm »
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I'm not sure what you are asking for here? Is it just a list of costs for every card based on the number of Bridges played / Highways in play / Bridge Trolls in play, etc?
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Re: REQ: Cost math tables
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2017, 02:41:22 pm »
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I'm not sure what you are asking for here? Is it just a list of costs for every card based on the number of Bridges played / Highways in play / Bridge Trolls in play, etc?

Exampe: Sabateur: Each other player reveals cards from the top of his deck until revealing one costing 3 Coin or more. He trashes that card and may gain a card costing at most 2 Coins less than it.

That phrase '... at most 2 Coins less than...' is too 'mathy' for me.  I need a table that says
Trash 6, gain a 4 card?
Trash a 3 Potion, can I get a 3 only, or does it require a Potion to be in the cost.

But there are a lot of other 'in it's cost' phrases' in other cards (like bridges), and what if I have 2 bridges, reduced by 2 and not 1 (but not less than zero).  I think a table form would work for me but I will take what I can get for help

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Re: REQ: Cost math tables
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2017, 02:41:50 pm »
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I think you're over-complicating something. There are currently 3 types of currency in Dominion (, , ), but is the only one that has any cost-reduction. Bridge, Highway, Princess, Bridge Troll, and Ferry all reduce only costs, they never have any impact on the other 2 kinds. So Alchemist with a Highway in play costs instead of . That's all there is to it.
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Re: REQ: Cost math tables
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2017, 02:46:41 pm »
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I'm not sure what you are asking for here? Is it just a list of costs for every card based on the number of Bridges played / Highways in play / Bridge Trolls in play, etc?

Exampe: Sabateur: Each other player reveals cards from the top of his deck until revealing one costing 3 Coin or more. He trashes that card and may gain a card costing at most 2 Coins less than it.

That phrase '... at most 2 Coins less than...' is too 'mathy' for me.  I need a table that says
Trash 6, gain a 4 card?
Trash a 3 Potion, can I get a 3 only, or does it require a Potion to be in the cost.

But there are a lot of other 'in it's cost' phrases' in other cards (like bridges), and what if I have 2 bridges, reduced by 2 and not 1 (but not less than zero).  I think a table form would work for me but I will take what I can get for help

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-DooWopDJ

Ah I see. You aren't asking about cost reduction, but about cost comparison. Quite different. Not sure about a table, but what you need is this:

Card A costs more than another card B if they don't cost the same, and for all 3 currency types, A has the same or more of that cost than B.

Card A costs less than another card B if they don't cost the same, and for all 3 currency types, A has the same or less than that cost than B.

What this means is that > > .

is not more expensive than , but is also not more expensive than . Neither costs more than the other.

So with Saboteur, if you trash a , the play gains a replacement costing at most less, which is . So they can gain anything up to , just like with Ironworks. Anything with Potion in the cost does NOT cost "up to ", so you can't gain that. But if you trash a , they can gain anything costing up to , which could be a , a , or a ; because those all cost less than or equal to .
« Last Edit: June 12, 2017, 02:49:10 pm by GendoIkari »
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Re: REQ: Cost math tables
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2017, 02:52:05 pm »
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This might be the "table" you are looking for:



Taken from this thread.

This shows what things cost more than what other things. As you can see, there's no arrow between and , because neither costs more than the other.
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Re: REQ: Cost math tables
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2017, 07:44:56 pm »
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Or, as I think I explained once before Debt was a thing,

"If having enough to buy A means you could buy B instead, then the cost of B is less than or equal to the cost of A."
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