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Opulent Castle - do discarded victory cards need to be revealed?

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Dwedit:
Opulent Castle is the only card that lets you discard multiple cards with restrictions on what kinds of cards can be discarded.  Since the official rules for discarding say that you don't need to reveal cards beyond the top discarded card, this could provide an opportunity to cheat by discarding non-victory cards for coins.

GendoIkari:
The rules don't require them to be revealed. There are a few different places on Dominion cards where accountability is not enforced. Moneylender and Throne Room before second edition are simple examples. There are still a few different examples without going to first edition. Graverobber is one (no idea if that will be changed for Dark Ages second edition some day). Quest is another one, here's a thread on it.

Of course, while you don't have to reveal the cards you discard, obviously it is not allowed within the rules to "bluff" and discard non-victory cards. You generally just have to trust that you aren't playing with cheaters. Although Dominion does attempt always have accountability, when you play with other people are you trusting that they aren't secretly grabbing an extra Gold and sticking it in their deck, for example.

pst:
And if it's implicit that you should reveal all discarded cards when they have restrictions on them like that, does that mean that if you discard Tunnels with Opulent Castle you have to gain Gold?

GendoIkari:

--- Quote from: pst on May 15, 2017, 01:51:25 pm ---And if it's implicit that you should reveal all discarded cards when they have restrictions on them like that, does that mean that if you discard Tunnels with Opulent Castle you have to gain Gold?

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Well no, because there's a difference between "you may reveal this to gain a Gold" and "gain a Gold when this is revealed". In MTG terms, some cards say "Sacrifice [this creature]: [Effect]". You don't get that effect anytime that creature is sacrificed; you only get the effect if you choose to activate that ability, paying the cost of sacrificing the creature.

pst:

--- Quote from: GendoIkari on May 15, 2017, 02:02:16 pm ---
--- Quote from: pst on May 15, 2017, 01:51:25 pm ---And if it's implicit that you should reveal all discarded cards when they have restrictions on them like that, does that mean that if you discard Tunnels with Opulent Castle you have to gain Gold?

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Well no, because there's a difference between "you may reveal this to gain a Gold" and "gain a Gold when this is revealed". In MTG terms, some cards say "Sacrifice [this creature]: [Effect]". You don't get that effect anytime that creature is sacrificed; you only get the effect if you choose to activate that ability, paying the cost of sacrificing the creature.

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But you are not quoting the card. My question is because of the actual wording of the card.

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