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[SpaceAnemone]

Intent to hammer by 7:00pm forum time.

I have a little spare time and can wait.

I still have that exercise for faust to do! Sorry -- Thursday evenings are busy! At least if I post it now, town can have something to pick over in the night.

I'll try to get to it in the next half hour; if you want to hammer before then, I guess there's a reasonable chance of twilight lasting :-)

PPE 2: Ah, there's the hammer! Damn.

[Robz888]

Thread locked.

[Robz888]

Vote Count 5.4

iguanaiguana (6): faust, SpaceAnemone, RoadRunner7671, Dylan32, Awaclus, iguanaiguana
SpaceAnemone (3): LaLight, O, sudgy

Not Voting (2): Galzria, Jimmmmm

With 11 alive it took 6 to lynch.

[Robz888]

Masons should claim immediately.  Could know lots of rolls here with IC in the mix.

And, I think we've pretty well covered any C9++ theory.  Good straight-forward set-up.  I like it.

If by "pretty well covered" you mean terribly and not at all.  This is exactly the type of misdirection I would use as scum in this setup.  I've modded it twice.  Both times town won handily with great scum hunting, especially from newbie ICs.  They did not figure out the setup via theory, as theo would have you think.

vote: theorel. Not RVS.

Ash, I believe you've only witnessed the theory discussions about this setup posted as a mod but never actually played in a C9++ game. What do you think of this setup? What kind of mistakes have we made analyzing it earlier?

Hey. Agree that I would like to hear Ash's thoughts on C9++, and the discussion may be beneficial for those of us who have never played it, but ultimately it's usually not solvable until much later, so we shouldn't beat it o death currently.

Ash, I believe you've only witnessed the theory discussions about this setup posted as a mod but never actually played in a C9++ game. What do you think of this setup? What kind of mistakes have we made analyzing it earlier?

I'm glad you asked.

Hey. Agree that I would like to hear Ash's thoughts on C9++, and the discussion may be beneficial for those of us who have never played it, but ultimately it's usually not solvable until much later, so we shouldn't beat it o death currently.

Incorrect, scum #2.

Nooooooooooooo! Not the ash I agree with! *drowns in a sea of wine*

Iguanaiguana, the Mafia Goon, has been lynched!

Night 5 begins now. All players must check-in with me during Night 5 by posting in their personal or shared QTs. Failure to do so could result in modkill. Actions are due within 48 hours. Day 6 begins Saturday, June 17th, at 5:00 PM Forum Time.

[Robz888]

:'(we're  really doing this? Fine. I'm the vig. Ash was a VT.

I believe him. It was SUCHABADMOVE though.

I am not so sure that I do. This looks more like something that scum mail-mi might feel like he has to do.

MAIL-MI, WHAT ABOUT YOUR NIGHT 2 SHOT? ANSWER RIGHT NOW WITHOUT THINKING OR YOU GET LYNCHED.

I didn't shoot N2. Ash was Amy Pond.

Later

Robz, WHAT ABOUT YOUR NIGHT ACTIONS ANSWER RIGHT NOW WITHOUT THINKING OR YOU GET LYNCHED.

Jimmmmm, the Masonic Lover, has been killed.

DAY 6 START!

THREAD UNLOCKED.

[Robz888]

Vote Count 6.1

Not Voting (9): Galzria, faust, SpaceAnemone, RoadRunner7671, Dylan32, Awaclus, LaLight, O, sudgy

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day 6 ends Saturday, June 24, at 5:00 PM.

[sudgy]

Starting tomorrow, I'm going to try to compile all claiming posts together.  I'm out of town at the moment, though.

[Roadrunner7671]

So 2 mafia left with 9 people alive, several of whom have claimed PRs/were hid behind?

[Galzria]

Still at work. Will have a tiny amount of time tonight while packing. vote: sudgy

[faust]

So 2 mafia left with 9 people alive, several of whom have claimed PRs/were hid behind?

I don't know about several. 1 hid behind, 1 PR, plus me who is a PR but cannot do anything.

[faust]

Still at work. Will have a tiny amount of time tonight while packing. vote: sudgy

Not that it matters probably, but what was your target?

[faust]

Starting tomorrow, I'm going to try to compile all claiming posts together.  I'm out of town at the moment, though.

Why?

[faust]

My money' on sudgy/LaLight with a possibility of O.

[faust]

Actually O is kind of townie; however you would describe him, I think "weak-willed" is not the word. Surely iguana's exit statement could be WIFOM, but I don't think it is.

[Awaclus]

I don't think O is townie.

[faust]

I don't think O is townie.

Yes I know. So does scum. Yet Jimmmmm died instead of you.

[sudgy]

Starting tomorrow, I'm going to try to compile all claiming posts together.  I'm out of town at the moment, though.

Why?

Not just posting them all, but summarizing them so that it's easier to figure out exactly what happened, and maybe catch someone in a lie of some sort.

[faust]

Starting tomorrow, I'm going to try to compile all claiming posts together.  I'm out of town at the moment, though.

Why?

Not just posting them all, but summarizing them so that it's easier to figure out exactly what happened, and maybe catch someone in a lie of some sort.

You should catch up maybe 2 Days or so...

[Dylan32]

Starting tomorrow, I'm going to try to compile all claiming posts together.  I'm out of town at the moment, though.

Why?

Not just posting them all, but summarizing them so that it's easier to figure out exactly what happened, and maybe catch someone in a lie of some sort.

You should catch up maybe 2 Days or so...

Yeah, the claims were pretty well sorted out as far as who conflicted with what I thought. If you can find something that 8 other townspeople all missed despite repeated posts with all the claims, please, be my guest.  In the meantime, Vote: sudgy

[Galzria]

Still at work. Will have a tiny amount of time tonight while packing. vote: sudgy

Not that it matters probably, but what was your target?

I targeted Awaclus last night.

Despite having the consistency with which one could set a watch:

I don't think O is townie.

It is, in fact, more than we were getting out of Jimmm.

[O]

Well Faust is slightly more town than he was to me yesterday. Since I'm apparently addicted to lynching him though I did have another thought:

Deaths:
n1 Gkrieg, Calamitas
n2 Cuzz, Eevee
n3 TWM MCMC PPS
n4 Jake
n5 Jim

So unfortunately (perhaps intentionally) we have no real proof that a Vig even exists this game. And if Galzria is telling the truth, we still have no evidence on Faust's alignment/role. But if Faust is town and did have his vig attempt blocked, then n3 we're missing a scum kill (since Town!faust admits to vigging PPS and TWM died hiding almost certainly), so Galzria as town's only claimed way to prevent deaths would also be confirmed town.

If Faust is scum and lynched, great. If Faust is town and lynched, I'm pretty sure (feel free to correct me) that Galz would be confirmed town for blocking a mafia kill. And if Faust and Galz are confirmed town it heavily suggests that Mafia don't have a strongman since they attempted to use Ashersky for a kill.

Since I like digging myself into holes with bad argument's i'll also throw in this thought I had: Statistically, Space is still more likely than average to be scum because of TWM's actions/results. We have (TWM hides space, dies, both scum) (TWM hides Iguana, dies, space town) and (TWM hides iguana, dies, both scum) as our possibility set.

Both of my observations are probably technically true and not amazingly helpful though.

[faust]

So unfortunately (perhaps intentionally) we have no real proof that a Vig even exists this game. And if Galzria is telling the truth, we still have no evidence on Faust's alignment/role. But if Faust is town and did have his vig attempt blocked, then n3 we're missing a scum kill (since Town!faust admits to vigging PPS and TWM died hiding almost certainly), so Galzria as town's only claimed way to prevent deaths would also be confirmed town.

Not sure I'm parsing everything correctly... what do you mean we have no proff that a vig exists? N3 is proof, no? That many deaths could not have happened without me. Plus I was definitely top of the draft order, so you'd have to make an argument for which role scum!me would have chosen instead.

And what about the N3 "missing kill"? The scum kill is mcmc...

[faust]

I'm fine with Vote: sudgy

[faust]

Galzria is also not confirmed town because two killing roles could have targeted the same player. Still there is good evidence that he is actually town - especially when you consider the matching Galzria/Jake claims.

[faust]

Something interesting to consider: Should we assume scum has a good PR left?

I'm thinking Roleblocker/Strongman. But if scum has a Strongman, it would not make sense for ash to have performed the kill N2. On the other hand, if scum has a Roleblocker, then it's weird that they didn't block one of the claimed PRs on N2.

So that makes me think they might not have these roles. So they probably need to kill Galzria next. Thus, a suggestion for Galzria: try to target scum the next night, not Awaclus.