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[Galzria]

Vote Count 4.3

ashersky (6): faust, LaLight, sudgy, JaketheBaseballGod22, SpaceAnemone, iguanaiguana
faust (1): ashersky

Not Voting (6): Awaclus, Dylan32, RoadRunner7671, Galzria, Jimmmmm, O

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.  Day 4 ends Wednesday, June 14 at 1 pm.

[SpaceAnemone]

Interesting note on the last two voters for Ash:

Iguana and Space.

If Ash is scum then one of them is now likely bussing.

I've been saying I want to lynch ash for most of the day already, haven't I? The main reason I bothered voting iguana at all was that I didn't want to run the ash wagon to completion till after the claims had come out and been discussed. I think they're both scum, but I think ash is the higher-value target, and he's certainly the easier one to convince everyone else of.

My impression right now is that most of you only think he and I are around 50/50 each. A couple of people have opined that I'm townier now, but mcmc was still scumreading me when he died, in spite of the fact I'd totally driven D3's claiming exercise that outed e and ash, so that's not the greatest endorsement. I don't expect the head-to-head to go entirely smoothly, especially since I was so lost in the early game, and people often scumread me for stuff like that.

I do think that most people must be above 75% on ash being scum by now... and if not, I'd really like to hear about why that is. My hunch is that at least some of the people who're not voting are abstaining because they're not up to date with the game and having actually absorbed what's going on yet.

[O]

well at least two of us (Galz, me) are clearly withholding to keep discussion open.

[Galzria]

Yeah. Not saying you or Iguana are scummy for the vote. Just noting it because of the relationship you two share thanks to TWM.

[Galzria]

well at least two of us (Galz, me) are clearly withholding to keep discussion open.

Yeah,

Jimmm and Awaclus (IC's) haven't been here. O and I are currently waiting. RR has stated a preference to lynch Faust, and Dylan...? I'm not sure about.

[Dylan32]

I'm mostly fine with the Ash lynch, but I'm still not so sure it shouldn't be faust first due to the difference in what town loses if we are wrong in each case. On the other hand, we could just lynch them the next two days to make sure they aren't both scum. At this point, I would honestly be more upset losing because they pulled off this 1v1 gambit as partners and succeeding than I would be losing because we lynch town between the two of them and go on to lose, so I don't really care which of the two we lynch first.

[O]

I'm mostly fine with the Ash lynch, but I'm still not so sure it shouldn't be faust first due to the difference in what town loses if we are wrong in each case. On the other hand, we could just lynch them the next two days to make sure they aren't both scum. At this point, I would honestly be more upset losing because they pulled off this 1v1 gambit as partners and succeeding than I would be losing because we lynch town between the two of them and go on to lose, so I don't really care which of the two we lynch first.

Because there's 10x better evidence for Ash than faust.

[faust]

Interesting note on the last two voters for Ash:

Iguana and Space.

If Ash is scum then one of them is now likely bussing.

How is that interesting? We're at a point where it's completely clear that there won't be another lynch.

[faust]

People paint me as scummy because I killed two town people, but that's not really all that scummy. I mean we've had two town lynches already; is everyone on these wagons scum? I don't see a big difference here. Also, it's not like people disagreed with my Cuzz case when I posted it.

That's what I would expect from a town faust.  It's also probably the biggest case anyone has made so far (I know big != right, but whatever). I'll go ahead and even up the Cuzz and Andrew wagons so the important people can choose, since apparently a bunch of people are scumreading or allegedly pretty willing to lynch  sudgy but nobody seems to be actually willing to vote him.  Vote: Cuzz

I think for now I will Vote: Cuzz. THIS IS L-2 (I think)

O at least fought it at the time, so his position is believable.

[faust]

I'm mostly fine with the Ash lynch, but I'm still not so sure it shouldn't be faust first due to the difference in what town loses if we are wrong in each case. On the other hand, we could just lynch them the next two days to make sure they aren't both scum. At this point, I would honestly be more upset losing because they pulled off this 1v1 gambit as partners and succeeding than I would be losing because we lynch town between the two of them and go on to lose, so I don't really care which of the two we lynch first.

Why do you think I'm scum? Or do you just want to make extra sure not to be upset? How about this: We have 2 mislynches left. Can you at least hold off lynching me until we used up the first of these? Then you can still lynch me if you must, but I have some chance of living through this if we manage to catch all the scum now.

[SpaceAnemone]

I'm mostly fine with the Ash lynch, but I'm still not so sure it shouldn't be faust first due to the difference in what town loses if we are wrong in each case. On the other hand, we could just lynch them the next two days to make sure they aren't both scum. At this point, I would honestly be more upset losing because they pulled off this 1v1 gambit as partners and succeeding than I would be losing because we lynch town between the two of them and go on to lose, so I don't really care which of the two we lynch first.

How to do you rate the evidence on each of them, in terms of percentage chance of being scum from your perspective?

[faust]

I sudgy VLA or something? I haven't heard anything at all from him lately.

[faust]

Regarding iguana vs space, I have a gut townread on space, so would probably rather lynch iguana.  I'll look more into them when the decision needs to be made.

Oh, here's a post. Well he's not exactly very talkative. It doesn't hurt to look into it now, you know.

[faust]

Trying to gather up all reads, town to scum.

Jimmmmm
Awaclus

Roadrunner
Dylan
Galzria (this hinges a bit on ashersky flipping scum)

Jake
Space

LaLight
O

sudgy
iguana

ashersky

[O]

Cuzz was by and far away my strongest town read to the point that I made jokes about appearing as an obvious scumbuddy IIRC.

Finding me, sudgy and Lalight more scummy than someone who statistically has a >50% scum chance is interesting.

[faust]

Finding me, sudgy and Lalight more scummy than someone who statistically has a >50% scum chance is interesting.

I admit I mostly expect ash and iguana to just flip scum and that influences my reads here.

[ashersky]

L-1?  Seriously?

What a disappointment.  Teammates that can actually follow a plan would be nice.  Remind me to /out next time I roll scum with LaLight.  At least Faust and Galzria put up a valiant show and fight as long as feasible.

2.7 gifted us a way out of the broken setup.  One mislynch today and the game was won.  Given our numbers and the misdirects in play, we had this.  FYI, telling scum the contents of the random slots turned out to be way OP. 

The hilarious thing is we could still end up winning in spite of this tragedy because the town has played so terribly, too. 

I wouldn't bother killing Awaclus or Jimmmmm tonight, bussing me unnecessarily skewed the numbers back in town's favor, so the inactivity of the ICs in more helpful than worrying about the POE.

vote: ashersky and good riddance to this disappointing "all-star" game.

[Robz888]

Thread locked.

[Robz888]

Vote Count 4.4

ashersky (7): faust, LaLight, sudgy, JaketheBaseballGod22, SpaceAnemone, iguanaiguana, ashersky

Not Voting (6): Awaclus, Dylan32, RoadRunner7671, Galzria, Jimmmmm, O

With 13 alive it took 7 to lynch.

[Robz888]

I mean raerae even scum slipped right before the end... I was so convinced

THAT WASN'T A SCUM SLIP!!!

YOU CALLED THE TOWN "THEM"!

(Raerae was town.)

Ashersky, the Mafia Goon, has been lynched.

Night 4 begins now. All players must check-in with me during Night 4 by posting in their personal or shared QTs. Failure to do so could result in modkill. Actions are due within 48 hours. Day 5 begins Monday, June 12, at 11:00 AM Forum Time.

[Robz888]

I'm waiting for Galz to say whether he concurs with me--I suspect he will--but yes, our specific, secret case against mail-mi seems to have been erroneous. Thanks for helping, Voltgloss.

OK, now can somebody explain what the hell happened? Or is still super-secret even if it was likely erroneous?

No.  Still secret, and staying that way.  Sorry.

JaketheBaseballGod22, the Town-Aligned Tracker, has been killed.

DAY 5 START!

THREAD UNLOCKED.

[Robz888]

Vote Count 5.1

Not Voting (11): Awaclus, Dylan32, RoadRunner7671, Galzria, Jimmmmm, O, faust, LaLight, sudgy, SpaceAnemone, iguanaiguana

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch. Day 5 ends Monday, June 19, at 11:00 AM Forum Time.

[Galzria]

L-1?  Seriously?

What a disappointment.  Teammates that can actually follow a plan would be nice.  Remind me to /out next time I roll scum with LaLight.  At least Faust and Galzria put up a valiant show and fight as long as feasible.

2.7 gifted us a way out of the broken setup.  One mislynch today and the game was won.  Given our numbers and the misdirects in play, we had this.  FYI, telling scum the contents of the random slots turned out to be way OP. 

The hilarious thing is we could still end up winning in spite of this tragedy because the town has played so terribly, too. 

I wouldn't bother killing Awaclus or Jimmmmm tonight, bussing me unnecessarily skewed the numbers back in town's favor, so the inactivity of the ICs in more helpful than worrying about the POE.

vote: ashersky and good riddance to this disappointing "all-star" game.

Hahahaha. Going out flaming? I got a good laugh at least. Sorry Ash - feel free to tell me I'm wrong after the game, but this entire post feels like "fake-anger-muddy-the-waters-hope-for-the-best" scum tactics.

As I know for a fact that you named at least one town in your "scum partners" list (me), and I still lean 60/40 town on Faust, AND I'm still confident that one of Iguana/Space is scum...

Yeah. I'll be putting zero merit in your post. Maybe one of Faust or LaLight actually is scum. I could see you naming one of three as partners. But it's not worth the WIFOM headache at this time. There's better cases and more likely scum targets.

[Galzria]

 I'll reread Space and Iguana later today or tonight. Outside Iguana calling me scum d1/d2, and Space pushing for claims I don't recall much about either.

[Awaclus]

I wouldn't put any weight on ashersky's post whatsoever.