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[Eevee]

Completely disagree.  Play to win, using the best options available.

I'm also fine with scum giving up and moving on to the next game, by the way.  We could all vote on that, too.

I agree with ash here. It's TWM's decision, but I would just go with whatever gives the best chance of winning, in this case the plan.

Vote: andrew I would be fine with, and if he flips town, e being so adamant about him would make me want to look at e tomorrow.

I agree that the hammers might prove tricky to get down correctly, but if this works, it's rare two town players can use their pr's so creatively and effectively, huge kudos to you.

[sudgy]

Scum reread of Andrew:

Other than the tunneling, a few more things popped up:

Back in #747, he starts buddying TWM.  He makes it not quite so strong in #1715 but goes stronger again later.

In #970 he's downplaying his scum abilities, which I think scum definitely does.

#1560 he's talking about how this game is different than his previous scum games.  This could be him as scum knowing he's playing differently and trying to get people away from him.

Another thing I noted that I'm not sure if it's indicative of alignment is that there's actually several times he says he thinks someone is scum, but then he doesn't say any reasons, and never says anything else about it.


In the end, I read null-scum on Andrew.  I don't see too much pointing to him being town and a bit pointing to him being scum.  I could maybe vote for him but I hope I can find better scumreads.

[pingpongsam]

Completely disagree.  Play to win, using the best options available.

I'm also fine with scum giving up and moving on to the next game, by the way.  We could all vote on that, too.

I agree with ash here. It's TWM's decision, but I would just go with whatever gives the best chance of winning, in this case the plan.

Vote: andrew I would be fine with, and if he flips town, e being so adamant about him would make me want to look at e tomorrow.

I agree that the hammers might prove tricky to get down correctly, but if this works, it's rare two town players can use their pr's so creatively and effectively, huge kudos to you.

I will point out that I've been interested in lynching Andrew since D1. Are you casing this against e instead of me because you have more reason to believe I am town (I posit that you do)?

[pingpongsam]

I agree with almost everything Ash has said, as it was my exact reaction yesterday upon learning of the setup we've been handed. The counter arguments to the numbers working completely in our favor assume that each day we mislynch AND each night two town are NK'd for three consecutive days. That's 9 for 9 in town deaths which is just highly, highly unlikely.

That said, I disagree with his "lynch from the signup sheet" plan -

A) Because I'm first, am Town, and softclaim have utility that I believe will be beneficial to furthering town's chances of winning.

B) If Ash is scum and knows his partners are Sudgy and Jake, he's setting scum up to come back and win.

I would be in favor of random lynching, or lynching based off mcmc/TWM's highest scum reads or whatever.

But as of right now, given the current setup, I can't really bring myself to continue to play at the level I was. It takes a moderate amount of my time and is simply unnecessary.

(I'm not ceasing to play, but actively engaging in full rereads to scum hunt don't seem to serve much purpose)

While I don't think this sounds like defeated scum Galzria it doesn't sound like "let me make damn sure we do this right" town Galzria, either.

[Eevee]

Fair point, same extends to you. Right now, I'm reading you townier than e.

[Galzria]

I agree with almost everything Ash has said, as it was my exact reaction yesterday upon learning of the setup we've been handed. The counter arguments to the numbers working completely in our favor assume that each day we mislynch AND each night two town are NK'd for three consecutive days. That's 9 for 9 in town deaths which is just highly, highly unlikely.

That said, I disagree with his "lynch from the signup sheet" plan -

A) Because I'm first, am Town, and softclaim have utility that I believe will be beneficial to furthering town's chances of winning.

B) If Ash is scum and knows his partners are Sudgy and Jake, he's setting scum up to come back and win.

I would be in favor of random lynching, or lynching based off mcmc/TWM's highest scum reads or whatever.

But as of right now, given the current setup, I can't really bring myself to continue to play at the level I was. It takes a moderate amount of my time and is simply unnecessary.

(I'm not ceasing to play, but actively engaging in full rereads to scum hunt don't seem to serve much purpose)

While I don't think this sounds like defeated scum Galzria it doesn't sound like "let me make damn sure we do this right" town Galzria, either.

That's fair. It's just hard to give 110% to a game that's essentially won already.

That said - mcmc, how do you feel about dictating wagon votes?

If it takes 10 to lynch for example, and you/TWM need to be the last two, that leaves 8 people to be on the wagon first. The more scum that are on the wagon, the less likely they can steal the Hammer.

So if you round up your scum list (or yours and TWM's combined) and put them on the wagon - while not all likely to be scum you're reducing the odds (in your mind anyway) of a scum hammer steal. At least, it removes those players from being able to do so.

Obviously anybody unwilling to be on the wagon should probably be lynched instead in this case.

[mcmcsalot]

Vote Count 2.5

Cuzz (2): faust, AndrewisFTTW
O (1): Awaclus
AndrewisFTTW (3): Cuzz, pingpongsam, 2.71828....
SpaceAnemone (1): Eevee
Dylan23 (1): Galzria
LaLight (1): RoadRunner7671
faust (1): O
RoadRunner7671 (1): LaLight
sudgy (1): Dylan32

Not Voting (8.): SpaceAnemone, mcmcsalot, ashersky, JaketheBaseballGod22, sudgy, The_Wine_Merchant, Jimmmmm, iguanaiguana

With 20 alive it takes just 10 to lynch. Day 2 ends on Sunday, May 28th, at 11:00 AM Forum Time.

Lalight put andrew to L-6 and eevee put andrew to L-5. Remember just put this after your vote everytime, then it shouldn't be hard to keep track of.

I would vote for Andrew,  so we need 3 people who want to vote andrew to lynch him.

awaclus what do you think about andrew?

[Awaclus]

awaclus what do you think about andrew?

I don't want to lynch him today because he isn't O.

[Galzria]

awaclus what do you think about andrew?

I don't want to lynch him today because he isn't O.

Are you two Mafia/WW buddies? It would be the most perfect thing ever. O said it himself SO much d1. "Back when I was younger, I would bus all day, every day so that I could win as the only member of my faction alive" and "Awaclus is just a younger version of me", and and... omg - I could pull so many quotes. That would just be fantastic of you two. I REALLY hope this is a thing.

[Galzria]

awaclus what do you think about andrew?

I don't want to lynch him today because he isn't O.

Are you two Mafia/WW buddies? It would be the most perfect thing ever. O said it himself SO much d1. "Back when I was younger, I would bus all day, every day so that I could win as the only member of my faction alive" and "Awaclus is just a younger version of me", and and... omg - I could pull so many quotes. That would just be fantastic of you two. I REALLY hope this is a thing.

Oh, right, TWM semi-cleared you. Well boo. It would still be fantasticly fun for you two have tried to pulled off.

[iguanaiguana]

awaclus what do you think about andrew?

I don't want to lynch him today because he isn't O.

Are you two Mafia/WW buddies? It would be the most perfect thing ever. O said it himself SO much d1. "Back when I was younger, I would bus all day, every day so that I could win as the only member of my faction alive" and "Awaclus is just a younger version of me", and and... omg - I could pull so many quotes. That would just be fantastic of you two. I REALLY hope this is a thing.

Ugh Vote: Galzria

[iguanaiguana]

The sign up order plan is coincidentally good.

[pingpongsam]

awaclus what do you think about andrew?

I don't want to lynch him today because he isn't O.

Are you two Mafia/WW buddies? It would be the most perfect thing ever. O said it himself SO much d1. "Back when I was younger, I would bus all day, every day so that I could win as the only member of my faction alive" and "Awaclus is just a younger version of me", and and... omg - I could pull so many quotes. That would just be fantastic of you two. I REALLY hope this is a thing.

Ugh Vote: Galzria

Right? I mean, this is not "with the plan" Galzria at all.

[Galzria]

awaclus what do you think about andrew?

I don't want to lynch him today because he isn't O.

Are you two Mafia/WW buddies? It would be the most perfect thing ever. O said it himself SO much d1. "Back when I was younger, I would bus all day, every day so that I could win as the only member of my faction alive" and "Awaclus is just a younger version of me", and and... omg - I could pull so many quotes. That would just be fantastic of you two. I REALLY hope this is a thing.

Ugh Vote: Galzria

Right? I mean, this is not "with the plan" Galzria at all.

For reference, since it's apparently not obvious - but the thought above hit me (and not in a serious way), I got a good long laugh out of the idea, and decided to share it with everyone. It was NOT a serious pursuit or opinion - more an observation of hilarity if that was a thing that could have existed in this game.

[mcmcsalot]

awaclus what do you think about andrew?

I don't want to lynch him today because he isn't O.

If we lynched O who would you want to lynch after that.

[Cuzz]

I actually really think iguana is scum in case that still matters at all.

[Awaclus]

Are you two Mafia/WW buddies?

No.

[Awaclus]

awaclus what do you think about andrew?

I don't want to lynch him today because he isn't O.

If we lynched O who would you want to lynch after that.

Someone else.

[O]

Yea that's not Galzria being scummy, I had the same thought that it'd be awesome if it were true. Hopefully it'll happen some game eventually.


To defend myself at least a bit, why are we sheeping Awaclus instead of TWM? if TWM is scum we only have WIFOM that Awaclus is town.

I do really think the largest whiners are the most likely to be scum, since they're the most sure that TWM/MCMC are town... so that'd be Ashersky, Faust, and Galzria I guess.

[mcmcsalot]

Ugh back to hating awaclus

Ppe 1: no one is wheeling him.

[mcmcsalot]

Ugh back to hating awaclus

Ppe 1: no one is wheeling him.

Sheeping*

[O]

Ugh back to hating awaclus

Ppe 1: no one is wheeling him.

PPS suggested it, that's all.

[Cuzz]

Yea that's not Galzria being scummy, I had the same thought that it'd be awesome if it were true. Hopefully it'll happen some game eventually.


To defend myself at least a bit, why are we sheeping Awaclus instead of TWM? if TWM is scum we only have WIFOM that Awaclus is town.

I do really think the largest whiners are the most likely to be scum, since they're the most sure that TWM/MCMC are town... so that'd be Ashersky, Faust, and Galzria I guess.

I think this is ash by far i mean what is this even:

I'm also fine with scum giving up and moving on to the next game, by the way.  We could all vote on that, too.

[mcmcsalot]

Claimed it along time ago I think ash is the serial killer who literally cannot win if me and twm are town and get hammers.

Still would rather lynch andrew or eevee.

[pingpongsam]

Yea that's not Galzria being scummy, I had the same thought that it'd be awesome if it were true. Hopefully it'll happen some game eventually.


To defend myself at least a bit, why are we sheeping Awaclus instead of TWM? if TWM is scum we only have WIFOM that Awaclus is town.

I do really think the largest whiners are the most likely to be scum, since they're the most sure that TWM/MCMC are town... so that'd be Ashersky, Faust, and Galzria I guess.

I can buy that mcmc and TWM might out themselves on this plan. Assuming a 5 man mafia team, do you really think they would out 3 of them? That only leaves 1 living unidentified scum. If the plan breaks down it's high probability of total loss for scum. I'm not saying that's not exactly what they are doing but that the more people they include in the plan that are actually scum the more likely it breaks in a catastrophic way for them and thus the less likely they are to do that thing.