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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1225 on: May 05, 2017, 01:06:39 pm »

Nevermind. Thinking backwards.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1226 on: May 05, 2017, 01:07:00 pm »

Well I know from POE that one of faust/e, and one of Robz/schadd, and Eevee are scum.

It seems that traitor knew that mcmcsalot was mafia. 

Also, faust's result incriminates Eevee, which works better with my theory anyway.

I investigated schadd N1, and faust N2, and got didn't kill for both of them.  Considering we know mafia doesn't have any investigation immunity at this point, that means that e/Eevee is the scum team, but ironically, we should lynch out of Robz/schadd.

Did you get "did not kill" or "no result"

Because a "did not kill" N2 incriminates me. If I am telling the truth your result should have been "no result"

Please clarify with the mod in your qt.

No it shouldn't have.  JKing only protects from night kills, not from being investigated.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1227 on: May 05, 2017, 01:07:34 pm »

I Jailkept faust, but that doesn't prevent investigative results. My bad, carry on
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1228 on: May 05, 2017, 01:08:41 pm »

I Jailkept faust, but that doesn't prevent investigative results. My bad, carry on

That still means that you are 100% scum with my results...
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1229 on: May 05, 2017, 01:09:02 pm »

But yes, I agree lynching out of Robz/schadd.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1230 on: May 05, 2017, 01:09:26 pm »

I Jailkept faust, but that doesn't prevent investigative results. My bad, carry on

That still means that you are 100% scum with my results...


No it doesnt. Because faust never performed a NK
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1231 on: May 05, 2017, 01:09:54 pm »

I blocked him both nights. Unless attempting to kill counts for detective results
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1232 on: May 05, 2017, 01:13:07 pm »

I blocked him both nights. Unless attempting to kill counts for detective results

Of course.  Didn't see that.  I guess mafia possibly haven't killed at all yet...

So from your POV, what does the game look like?
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1233 on: May 05, 2017, 01:13:51 pm »

why investigate me n1? you don't have to answer
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1234 on: May 05, 2017, 01:13:55 pm »

So does nobody have something to say anymore?

I'm going to do an Eevee reread since I don't remember anything about that guy.

Yeah, sure sounds like someone you Jailkept N1.
I needed a way to bring Eevee up that wouldn't immediately expose me. After N1 I wasn't sure what happened; there are multiple possible explanations for no NK, and most of them do not include me. You on the other hand claim you knew I was scum on D2 when you couldn't possibly have known.

I was excited. Also, true, I did not know. But I was confident
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1235 on: May 05, 2017, 01:14:03 pm »

faust is incriminating his partner Eevee with his results,

And Robz is the SK. 
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1236 on: May 05, 2017, 01:14:47 pm »

why investigate me n1? you don't have to answer

Maybe after.  You seemed like a good person to investigate.  Hard to read, and people had opinions about you.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1237 on: May 05, 2017, 01:22:57 pm »

I blocked him both nights. Unless attempting to kill counts for detective results

Of course.  Didn't see that.  I guess mafia possibly haven't killed at all yet...

So from your POV, what does the game look like?

Town:
Kkrieg: 1 shot commuter
Gkrieg: detective
e: Jailkeeper

Scum:
Faust: highly suspicious D2, confirmed to me today after a second successful blocking of the NK. Plus he is countering my claim, so I know he is scum.

Conflicting claims:
Robz/schadd- two VT claims. Possible SK/traitor. With your result on schadd I can know he is not the SK, but he could still be traitor.

No claim:
Eevee- still needs to claim. I foresee a VT claim or a detective claim. Detective claim would be interesting, VT claim means that 2 of [eevee, Robz, schadd] are scum.

Right now I am leaning eevee as the traitor, Robz as SK (based on your result)
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #1238 on: May 05, 2017, 01:36:56 pm »

Woo I'm here! Umm I guess I don't know why more people don't think twm is scummy because I do but maybe I'm wrong. Faust seems like Faust. I would say I feel like 2.7 is lurking more then robz because I feel like I can remember the things robz has said better but that probably just because he is my brother. I don't feel like much has happened yet.

I am caught up, I am also a vanilla townie. I also don't have much to add. I am much less confident of my reads after failing super hard last game and think most people are playing as I expect them to be playing. I would be open to lynching andrew, twm, 2.7. kkrieg, eevee, awaclus. Also I am sleepy and slightly inebriated.

Notable mcmcsalot quotes.  They don't give much...
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1239 on: May 05, 2017, 01:39:39 pm »

Just reread eevee, and I think there is a clear traitor narrative there.

I am on my phone or I would try to build the whole case with quotes and stuff
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1240 on: May 05, 2017, 02:02:55 pm »

Well, I'm not the Serial Killer, or a scum of any kind, so it would be really bad if we lynched me. How can I convince you, so that we don't lose?

I would not have killed mcmc, for one thing, as I think multiple people recognized. He had claimed VT, and also, it's mcmc. He's my brother. He's one of the players I'm more adept at manipulating. Having him dead isn't worth the WIFOM it would have bought me.

I am always a staunch advocate of shooting the gkriegs and fausts of the word, the fact that they are still alive should be good indication I have no killing power.

Killing mcmc, a claimed VT, is the sort of batty thing a schadd Serial Killer would do, I guess? I'm still unclear whether I have to presume schadd is the SK. It's because E says schadd can't be SK? But isn't E scum?
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1241 on: May 05, 2017, 02:13:10 pm »

Robz, you don't have to assume schadd is the SK.

This is how I see it:

The traitor and the SK exist in {Robz, Eevee, schadd}. Schadd cannot be the SK based on gkrieg's result.

So....
If Robz is town,  Eevee is the SK and schadd is the traitor
If eevee is town, Robz is SK and schadd is traitor
If schadd is town, Robz or eevee could be SK or traitor.

From fausts perspective-
SK and traitor exist in {e, Robz, schadd}
If Robz is town, e is SK and schadd is traitor
If e is town, Robz is SK and schadd is traitor
If schadd is town, Robz or e could be SK/traitor.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1242 on: May 05, 2017, 02:14:22 pm »

gkrieg got the result on schadd that he did not kill N1, which means he cannot be the serial killer
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1243 on: May 05, 2017, 02:14:36 pm »

I'm saying that schadd is not the SK, though he technically could be other scum.

One of faust/e is scum, kkrieg is not scum, so that leaves 2 scum in Robz/Eevee/schadd.  I have a result that shows that schadd is most likely not the SK, because we know there was an SK kill, but that schadd hadn't killed as of N1.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1244 on: May 05, 2017, 02:16:17 pm »

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If Robz is town,  Eevee is the SK and schadd is the traitor
If eevee is town, Robz is SK and schadd is traitor
If schadd is town, Robz or eevee could be SK or traitor.

From fausts perspective-
SK and traitor exist in {e, Robz, schadd}
If Robz is town, e is SK and schadd is traitor
If e is town, Robz is SK and schadd is traitor
If schadd is town, Robz or e could be SK/traitor.

Also note, from my perspective faust is confirmed goon, from fausts perspective eevee is confirmed goon
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1245 on: May 05, 2017, 02:16:44 pm »

Robz, you don't have to assume schadd is the SK.

This is how I see it:

The traitor and the SK exist in {Robz, Eevee, schadd}. Schadd cannot be the SK based on gkrieg's result.

So....
If Robz is town,  Eevee is the SK and schadd is the traitor
If eevee is town, Robz is SK and schadd is traitor
If schadd is town, Robz or eevee could be SK or traitor.

From fausts perspective-
SK and traitor exist in {e, Robz, schadd}
If Robz is town, e is SK and schadd is traitor
If e is town, Robz is SK and schadd is traitor
If schadd is town, Robz or e could be SK/traitor.

Not necessarily.  It is still possible that mcmcsalot shot the traitor N1, and then the traitor shot Andrew N2.  So still possible that Eevee isn't scum from both of your perspectives, but unlikely I'll admit.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1246 on: May 05, 2017, 02:36:22 pm »

Wait, SK is one shot investigative immune. So gkrieg's result on schadd actually don't mean anything
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1247 on: May 05, 2017, 02:37:18 pm »

So schadd could still totally be SK with eevee as the traitor.

I think that this is the most likely scenario.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1248 on: May 05, 2017, 02:38:11 pm »

Wait, SK is one shot investigative immune. So gkrieg's result on schadd actually don't mean anything

But it is active, so he would've had to have activated it the first night.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1249 on: May 05, 2017, 02:38:51 pm »

Jailkeeper- e
1 shot commuter- kkrieg
Detective- gkrieg

Goon- faust
SK- schadd
Traitor- eevee

VT- Robz
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