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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1200 on: May 05, 2017, 12:22:49 pm »

I'm on phone still, Faust and e are in conflicting claims, is gkrieg?

No, just faust and me
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1201 on: May 05, 2017, 12:24:30 pm »

like i am having trouble thinking this through even with an assumption that robz is red
we shouldn't talk about eevee until he claims, yes?
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1202 on: May 05, 2017, 12:30:08 pm »

like i am having trouble thinking this through even with an assumption that robz is red
we shouldn't talk about eevee until he claims, yes?

I think you and I are both vts if Eevee and gkrieg are both scum. Wait is that possible
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1203 on: May 05, 2017, 12:31:22 pm »

like i am having trouble thinking this through even with an assumption that robz is red
we shouldn't talk about eevee until he claims, yes?

I think you and I are both vts if Eevee and gkrieg are both scum. Wait is that possible

No. We are in setup 7. Left alive we have
3 town PRs. JK, commuter, detective
1 SK
1 goon
1 traitor
1 VT
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1204 on: May 05, 2017, 12:35:58 pm »

If you notice, I basically came out 100% hard core against faust almost out of nowhere D2.  If faust jailkept eevee, why did he not suspect him as scum?
I did. Reread.

Also if this is the case, how did you know I wasn't shot N1? It tends to happen.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1205 on: May 05, 2017, 12:37:18 pm »

I'm a Jailkeeper. Of course.

I need to get home now, but I blocked Eeevee both nights.

Also if this is the case, then Eevee also can only be the goon, but can't be the SK.

Right. Which is pretty much exactly what I said D2.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1206 on: May 05, 2017, 12:40:05 pm »

e/Eevee is clearly the Traitor/Goon pairing. e knew Eevee had been blocked, so he decided to protect him by fakeclaiming.

I considered a theory in which e does this as the SK, but honestly I'm not sure he's ballsy enough to do that.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1207 on: May 05, 2017, 12:41:41 pm »

Claiming PRs will get us to 3 ICs with 4 people (probably) claiming VT.
This is what tipped me off that a fakeclaim was coming. It is inconceivable for me that someone would ignore the possibility of fakeclaims.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1208 on: May 05, 2017, 12:43:16 pm »

Look at my theorizing at the start of D1 and you may figure out that I did it to reduce my pool of possible targets.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1209 on: May 05, 2017, 12:44:02 pm »

Still reasonably sure the Robz is the SK. I mean it could be schadd, but I have a hard time seeing that.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1210 on: May 05, 2017, 12:46:55 pm »

"Incriminate the PR before they can incriminate you" is a classic scum play too. That's why e was so eager to claim.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1211 on: May 05, 2017, 12:49:31 pm »

Still reasonably sure the Robz is the SK. I mean it could be schadd, but I have a hard time seeing that.

I think Robz makes more sense as the SK than schadd does.  Even though he does have some mcmcsalot interactions.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1212 on: May 05, 2017, 12:51:48 pm »

So does nobody have something to say anymore?

I'm going to do an Eevee reread since I don't remember anything about that guy.

Yeah, sure sounds like someone you Jailkept N1.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1213 on: May 05, 2017, 12:52:36 pm »

Well I know from POE that one of faust/e, and one of Robz/schadd, and Eevee are scum.

It seems that traitor knew that mcmcsalot was mafia. 

Also, faust's result incriminates Eevee, which works better with my theory anyway.

I investigated schadd N1, and faust N2, and got didn't kill for both of them.  Considering we know mafia doesn't have any investigation immunity at this point, that means that e/Eevee is the scum team, but ironically, we should lynch out of Robz/schadd.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1214 on: May 05, 2017, 12:54:55 pm »

I guess knowing that Eevee is scum, isn't strictly from POE, but from my results.  Without my results ICing faust, I know that scum/SK are in Robz,Eevee,schadd.  But with my result, and the no-kill, I know that either Eevee is scum, or a very complicated set of events occurred.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1215 on: May 05, 2017, 12:55:43 pm »

oh so i'm confirmed not sk fypov


fypov/fmpov are useful terms here: from your/my point of view
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1216 on: May 05, 2017, 12:55:49 pm »

So does nobody have something to say anymore?

I'm going to do an Eevee reread since I don't remember anything about that guy.

Yeah, sure sounds like someone you Jailkept N1.
I needed a way to bring Eevee up that wouldn't immediately expose me. After N1 I wasn't sure what happened; there are multiple possible explanations for no NK, and most of them do not include me. You on the other hand claim you knew I was scum on D2 when you couldn't possibly have known.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1217 on: May 05, 2017, 12:56:10 pm »

Oh, and SK 1-shot investigation immune isn't passive, which means that unless schadd used it N1, Robz is the SK.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1218 on: May 05, 2017, 12:57:31 pm »

I investigated schadd N1, and faust N2, and got didn't kill for both of them.  Considering we know mafia doesn't have any investigation immunity at this point, that means that e/Eevee is the scum team, but ironically, we should lynch out of Robz/schadd.
Well that just makes things so much easier. I agree with your analysis.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1219 on: May 05, 2017, 12:59:19 pm »

i will generally be under the assumption that if faust and gkrieg are scum together in a lylo with 7 different roles then we are especially fucked
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1220 on: May 05, 2017, 01:00:05 pm »

Oh, and SK 1-shot investigation immune isn't passive, which means that unless schadd used it N1, Robz is the SK.

Err...

Serial Killer: (if applicable, present 3/8 of the time)
- 2-shot JOAT, which includes a passive 1-shot Bulletproof, 1-shot Strongman, 1-shot Investigation Immune.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1221 on: May 05, 2017, 01:00:36 pm »

So unless some crazy things happened (like mcmcsalot shooting the traitor N1, and then the traitor performing the kill N2) and/or if schadd used his 1-shot investigation immunity and still shot N1:

e/Eevee is the remaining scum
Robz is the SK.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1222 on: May 05, 2017, 01:01:13 pm »

Oh, and SK 1-shot investigation immune isn't passive, which means that unless schadd used it N1, Robz is the SK.

Err...

Serial Killer: (if applicable, present 3/8 of the time)
- 2-shot JOAT, which includes a passive 1-shot Bulletproof, 1-shot Strongman, 1-shot Investigation Immune.

The bulletproof is passive, not the investigation immunity.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1223 on: May 05, 2017, 01:02:06 pm »

Otherwise that sentence reads:

passive 1-shot bulletproof
passive 1-shot strongman
passive 1-shot investigation immunity

and passive 1-shot strongman doesn't make any sense.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1224 on: May 05, 2017, 01:03:53 pm »

Well I know from POE that one of faust/e, and one of Robz/schadd, and Eevee are scum.

It seems that traitor knew that mcmcsalot was mafia. 

Also, faust's result incriminates Eevee, which works better with my theory anyway.

I investigated schadd N1, and faust N2, and got didn't kill for both of them.  Considering we know mafia doesn't have any investigation immunity at this point, that means that e/Eevee is the scum team, but ironically, we should lynch out of Robz/schadd.

Did you get "did not kill" or "no result"

Because a "did not kill" N2 incriminates me. If I am telling the truth your result should have been "no result"

Please clarify with the mod in your qt.
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