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Author Topic: M98: Русская Mafia (Game over! Town won!)  (Read 54532 times)

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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1125 on: May 05, 2017, 06:10:22 am »

Wasn't Andrew pushing for faust really hard yesterday?
I believe you're thinking of e.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1126 on: May 05, 2017, 09:16:42 am »

I am really not sure what we should do here. This is where we are at:

3 town PRs: 1 shot commuter, other PR, other PR
1 VT
3 scum: goon, traitor, SK

Claiming PRs will get us to 3 ICs with 4 people (probably) claiming VT.

I think I like claiming. I have a claim order that I would like to use:
Eevee
Schadd
Faust
e
Gkrieg

And we already know kkrieg is the 1 shot commuter and Robz has claimed VT
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1127 on: May 05, 2017, 09:21:29 am »

Wasn't Andrew pushing for faust really hard yesterday?
I believe you're thinking of e.

Yes it was me. And while I am here I just want to point out how terrible the TWM lynch was
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1128 on: May 05, 2017, 09:23:59 am »

Well, actually there is a minimum of 2 scum on the wagon, so we can learn from that.

Basically, we are lynching someone on that wagon
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1129 on: May 05, 2017, 09:27:57 am »

Well, actually there is a minimum of 2 scum on the wagon, so we can learn from that.

Basically, we are lynching someone on that wagon
Well unless you're scum  ::)
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1130 on: May 05, 2017, 09:29:55 am »

kkrieg was just as much a mislynch wagon as TWM was, and the only reason that didn't happen is because she's a PR.

That wagon:

gkrieg, e, Robz, TWM.

Notably Robz is the only person on both wagons.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1131 on: May 05, 2017, 09:55:33 am »

Well I prefer a massclaim to lynching me.

I think you'll find "Robz being on all the wagons" is far more indicative of town Robz than scum Robz.

I want to keep in mind TWM's scumread was on faust, but it's almost pointless to speculate about who's scum until we massclaim. Although I see why it's possible to speculate about me. But nope, I'm just what I said I was.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1132 on: May 05, 2017, 10:06:00 am »

i think that pre-claim is way, way better to speculate who's scum before the massclaim.


do you perchance remember the two people you were trying to decide between at the end of day 2 M97?
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1133 on: May 05, 2017, 10:07:54 am »

i think that pre-claim is way, way better to speculate who's scum before the massclaim.


do you perchance remember the two people you were trying to decide between at the end of day 2 M97?

Nope. Dylan and someone else.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1134 on: May 05, 2017, 10:11:33 am »

dylan and andrew. you decided andrew was a little townier.


why is it pointless to speculate scummos before massclaim?
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1135 on: May 05, 2017, 10:13:49 am »

dylan and andrew. you decided andrew was a little townier.


why is it pointless to speculate scummos before massclaim?

Well it's not pointless, okay, I'm most suspicious of faust and schadd. What I mean is, now if we do this massclaim, turns out you are an unchallenged PR, the fact that I suspected you doesn't mean much. Maybe it means something to you, something about me.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1136 on: May 05, 2017, 10:14:11 am »

i think that pre-claim is way, way better to speculate who's scum before the massclaim.
It's definitely better to speculate who's scum before the massclaim... because we shouldn't have a massclaim!
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1137 on: May 05, 2017, 10:14:23 am »

Dylan and Andrew. Both were scum. I was town. What's your point?
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1138 on: May 05, 2017, 10:14:55 am »

Robz, how do you feel about having only the VT claim?
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1139 on: May 05, 2017, 10:15:49 am »

Dylan and Andrew. Both were scum. I was town. What's your point?
you are maybe an okay town player.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1140 on: May 05, 2017, 10:21:03 am »

Dylan and Andrew. Both were scum. I was town. What's your point?
you are maybe an okay town player.

Still called it wrong in the end
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1141 on: May 05, 2017, 10:49:19 am »

I think we should just lynch Robz
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1142 on: May 05, 2017, 10:52:12 am »

I think we should mass claim
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1143 on: May 05, 2017, 10:53:57 am »

Rather, I think (if Robz is scum) we have an unclaimed VT. I think that VT should claim.

We don't need a full mass claim
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1144 on: May 05, 2017, 10:54:28 am »

If I were the mod here, I would ask the mod not to use quotes from an ongoing game in the signature by the way. It's a subtle manipulation technique.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1145 on: May 05, 2017, 10:56:13 am »

I think we can figure this out and win with a mass claim though. Minimum that vt should claim because then we have our lynch for tomorrow
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1146 on: May 05, 2017, 10:57:12 am »

I think we can figure this out and win with a mass claim though. Minimum that vt should claim because then we have our lynch for tomorrow
I'm not sure I'm following this...
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1147 on: May 05, 2017, 10:58:30 am »

I think we can figure this out and win with a mass claim though. Minimum that vt should claim because then we have our lynch for tomorrow
I'm not sure I'm following this...

It's ok.that was directed at the other members of town, not you
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1148 on: May 05, 2017, 11:01:59 am »

I think we can figure this out and win with a mass claim though. Minimum that vt should claim because then we have our lynch for tomorrow

I agree with this. Even losing one role to roleblocking seems worth it to have a tremendous amount of POE.

Although I think a VT/non-VT claim is better first, or even just saying that the other VT must claim, with no order.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1149 on: May 05, 2017, 11:09:24 am »

I think we can figure this out and win with a mass claim though. Minimum that vt should claim because then we have our lynch for tomorrow

I agree with this. Even losing one role to roleblocking seems worth it to have a tremendous amount of POE.

You say this. Yet, unless we lynch the SK today, we will still have 2 killing actions the next night. I.e. even if we lynch correctly, we could reasonably end up with 2 nightkills on the next night. Then we're at 4 alive with 2 scum and have lost control of the game.
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