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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #900 on: May 01, 2017, 01:12:05 pm »

In particular I'm confused about Robz, who wanted some attention on Eevee and who's currently looking for an alternative lynch.

If the conclusion of your Eevee read was "Eevee is suspicious" than I misread it.
I suppose you did. Not sure how ou could read that and conclude otherwise.

Well you said you didn't think Eevee was likely to be the SK, which I think doesn't make him the best lynch right now.
So you think schadd is the SK? Why?

What I meant is we should lynch someone who has some likelihood to be either SK or mafia, not that we should specifically try to lynch the SK.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #901 on: May 01, 2017, 01:17:41 pm »

has anyone suspected schadd much this game? I feel he has been very present, but not really much in opposition with anyone.
Oh! I have! Never really got much going though.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #902 on: May 01, 2017, 03:30:45 pm »

Vote count 2.5
The_Wine_Merchant (3): faust, Eevee, kkrieg
faust (2): AndrewisFTTW, The_Wine_Merchant
kkrieg (2): gkrieg13, 2,71828.....
schadd (1): Robz888
Not voting (1): schadd

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day 2 ends Wednesday, 3rd of May at 4 am FT.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #903 on: May 01, 2017, 03:39:35 pm »

kkrieg is where it is at people!  Just reread her D1, and her regard to the mcmc wagon!  I may just post those posts here in a bit for ease of rereading.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #904 on: May 01, 2017, 03:52:53 pm »

In particular I'm confused about Robz, who wanted some attention on Eevee and who's currently looking for an alternative lynch.

If the conclusion of your Eevee read was "Eevee is suspicious" than I misread it.
I suppose you did. Not sure how ou could read that and conclude otherwise.

Well you said you didn't think Eevee was likely to be the SK, which I think doesn't make him the best lynch right now.
So you think schadd is the SK? Why?

What I meant is we should lynch someone who has some likelihood to be either SK or mafia, not that we should specifically try to lynch the SK.

I think we should lynch the player who is most likely to flip scum, no matter the actual role. If someone is 90% mafia and 0% SK; that's completely fine.

Still not sure why schadd is a thing
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #905 on: May 01, 2017, 04:12:31 pm »

In particular I'm confused about Robz, who wanted some attention on Eevee and who's currently looking for an alternative lynch.

If the conclusion of your Eevee read was "Eevee is suspicious" than I misread it.
I suppose you did. Not sure how ou could read that and conclude otherwise.

Well you said you didn't think Eevee was likely to be the SK, which I think doesn't make him the best lynch right now.
So you think schadd is the SK? Why?

What I meant is we should lynch someone who has some likelihood to be either SK or mafia, not that we should specifically try to lynch the SK.

I think we should lynch the player who is most likely to flip scum, no matter the actual role. If someone is 90% mafia and 0% SK; that's completely fine.

Still not sure why schadd is a thing

If someone else is maybe 50% likely to flip mafia and 45% likely to flip SK, we should lynch that person, no?  I'm absolutely the worst at math, though.

Schadd is a thing for the exact reason Eevee said.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #906 on: May 01, 2017, 04:19:06 pm »


I thought you're voting for him because you think he's scummy:
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I do think he's scummy I'm just not confident about it. Also hadn't thought about Scadd at all
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #907 on: May 01, 2017, 04:19:20 pm »

Quote fail
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #908 on: May 01, 2017, 04:22:22 pm »

schadd I think might be worth looking at more tomorrow. I don't want to lynch him today. Probably same with Eevee.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #909 on: May 01, 2017, 04:23:46 pm »

schadd I think might be worth looking at more tomorrow. I don't want to lynch him today. Probably same with Eevee.

Am I not worth looking at tomorrow, from your perspective? I'm actually baffled to be receiving so little suspicion. I don't know it means.

It arguably points to newbie scum, I suppose. Might push me to vote kkrieg.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #910 on: May 01, 2017, 04:31:18 pm »

schadd I think might be worth looking at more tomorrow. I don't want to lynch him today. Probably same with Eevee.

Am I not worth looking at tomorrow, from your perspective? I'm actually baffled to be receiving so little suspicion. I don't know it means.

It arguably points to newbie scum, I suppose. Might push me to vote kkrieg.
If I ever play mafia and am scum, I sure hope I play a better game than whatever game I'm playing now as town.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #911 on: May 01, 2017, 04:31:28 pm »

Ok I'm all caught up now. I'm pretty confident TWM is town. I think Robz is town too for second guessing himself on TWM's lynch and unvoting. Town!Robz second guesses himself a lot I think. schadd I can't read whatsoever. I'd like to see which posts gkrieg is referring to in terms of kkrieg's interactions with mcmc. Feeling less sure about faust but I'll keep my vote there for now.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #912 on: May 01, 2017, 04:32:44 pm »

schadd I think might be worth looking at more tomorrow. I don't want to lynch him today. Probably same with Eevee.

Am I not worth looking at tomorrow, from your perspective? I'm actually baffled to be receiving so little suspicion. I don't know it means.

It arguably points to newbie scum, I suppose. Might push me to vote kkrieg.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #913 on: May 01, 2017, 04:35:10 pm »

If someone else is maybe 50% likely to flip mafia and 45% likely to flip SK, we should lynch that person, no?  I'm absolutely the worst at math, though.

Schadd is a thing for the exact reason Eevee said.
True.

Yet the evidence on Eevee makes him significantly more likely to be scum than someone could be because they're "very present, yet not in opposition to anyone".
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #914 on: May 01, 2017, 04:35:31 pm »

schadd I think might be worth looking at more tomorrow. I don't want to lynch him today. Probably same with Eevee.

Am I not worth looking at tomorrow, from your perspective? I'm actually baffled to be receiving so little suspicion. I don't know it means.

It arguably points to newbie scum, I suppose. Might push me to vote kkrieg.
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Sweet, thanks! Hey wait...
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #915 on: May 01, 2017, 05:07:00 pm »

schadd I think might be worth looking at more tomorrow. I don't want to lynch him today. Probably same with Eevee.

Am I not worth looking at tomorrow, from your perspective? I'm actually baffled to be receiving so little suspicion. I don't know it means.

It arguably points to newbie scum, I suppose. Might push me to vote kkrieg.
You most certainly are. But we were talking specifically about people who had just started receiving suspicion today (Eevee and schadd). You didn't fall into that group as no one wants to talk about you except for yourself apparently.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #916 on: May 01, 2017, 07:16:50 pm »

schadd I think might be worth looking at more tomorrow. I don't want to lynch him today. Probably same with Eevee.

Am I not worth looking at tomorrow, from your perspective? I'm actually baffled to be receiving so little suspicion. I don't know it means.

It arguably points to newbie scum, I suppose. Might push me to vote kkrieg.
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Yeah, until D3/D4 rolls around. Once Robz figures (or thinks he has figured) things out he becomes quite active and useful
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #917 on: May 01, 2017, 08:01:48 pm »

Keep in mind it's his birthday, I don't know if he'll be around. Are we really comfortable lynching him without a claim? I mean, I would rather lynch him than get lynched myself, but objectively, I don't know if that's the smartest thing,

I am sort of inclined to go after one of the mcmc pile-on ers. But maybe avoiding mcmc's wagon was the safest thing for scum to do.

This just feels like genuinely busy mcmc to me, him actually being what he says makes a lot of sense. The problem is I don't have a great alternative candidate...

I mean if all we can do is lynch mcmc or no one, I will vote for mcmc befoere I go to sleep in about 2 hrs
I agree with this.

hey gkrieg I know you're online what do you think about awaclus?

how about you talk about why you are voting awaclus pleeeeez

He's a person who isn't a townread.

Only three more for the mcmcsalot wagon to go!  Any takers?  Kkrieg, why do you think Awaclus is a better lynch than mcmcsalot?
babe you know it's past my bedtime don't ask hard questions

he reacted pretty quickly to my initial kinda random vote at him
he hasn't been particularly helpful
he jumped on the mcmc train

honestly my reasons are weak but heyy it is day 1

Ok, so these are the posts that I feel pushed from mcmc to Andrew.  I think Robz is pretty solidly partnery, and the fact that kkrieg didn't trust my reads is a little shady.  I really think she would go to the effort to at least tell me why mcmcsalot was townie, instead of just telling me why she thought Awaclus was scummy.  The reasoning to stay on the Awa wagon are SUPER weak.  Like none of them are scummy at all. 

The fact that she stayed on Awaclus instead of switching to mcmcsalot with those reasons (and not giving reasons why mcmc was townier than Awa) is really scummy from her.  She generally trusts me a lot more in social deduction games.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #918 on: May 01, 2017, 08:27:29 pm »

I have a hard time trusting this in completion as you didn't include my posts.

My post 482:

Well shit, now this feels mislynchy.

And post 497:

I am here, ish. I like mcmcsalot more than Andrew and 2.7. But I am not as enamored as I was. Awaclus was a mcmcsalot pile oner.

Are right between the posts of Robz and kkrieg (475-528)

Also just happened to see this right after my 482 from schadd:

it does, but mcmc is a good scum player

schadd isn't mcmc's partner. He isn't going to be talking me into a lynch right after I express an opinion that I want to avoid it and then further tries to put the brakes on the Awaclus wagon:

i mean, someone that makes a point of obscuring his reasoning shouldn't be the d1 lynch because of his shoddy reasoning. what do we have on him?

Sorry I missed this before, but I am putting schadd up there along with 2.7 and gkrieg of not mcmc's partner. (This conclusion totally overrode the original intent of this post, but I guess it was worth it).
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #919 on: May 01, 2017, 08:36:15 pm »

I didn't include your posts because I was trying to make people go back and reread the end of the day themselves. 

Your post also says nothing about the conclusions I made.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #920 on: May 01, 2017, 09:06:37 pm »

I didn't include your posts because I was trying to make people go back and reread the end of the day themselves. 

Your post also says nothing about the conclusions I made.

Yeah, not sure what TWM was trying to prove, the conclusion of the matter is that everyone should be voting kkrieg, nor that TWM is town or scum (at least that's what I got)
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #921 on: May 01, 2017, 09:17:03 pm »

I didn't include your posts because I was trying to make people go back and reread the end of the day themselves. 

Your post also says nothing about the conclusions I made.
Then I misunderstood your intent. I just read what you had put down and knew there were somethings that were missing from it.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #922 on: May 01, 2017, 09:21:17 pm »

I guess I don't love that I am relying on your understanding of kkrieg, which I don't have, to base much of this read. But, then again, I think kkrieg could easily state that it wasn't a fair assessment of you (and probably not something that you would want to do anyways to maintain marital harmony).

So yeah. I am still in the lynching kkrieg isn't a bad idea camp, but I don't completely share your complete confidence.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #923 on: May 01, 2017, 11:15:25 pm »

Alright, Vote: Kkrieg. Gkrieg telling us to vote for her matters, and also, she's a relative newbie who might have shot mcmc (as SK), but could also be a mcmc partner.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #924 on: May 01, 2017, 11:22:47 pm »

vote: kkrieg

That should be L-1
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