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Author Topic: M98: Русская Mafia (Game over! Town won!)  (Read 54459 times)

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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #750 on: April 28, 2017, 05:45:01 pm »

No, Iam at the point where I get the votes on me. I obviously don't agree with them, but I see the appeal and I am kind of anticipating being the lynch at this point, which, ok, fine, especially now that I got my thoughts down and hopefully people will find them mildly useful and remember them going into tomorrow.

It would be better to lynch elsewhere, but I think I only have 2.7 and Andrew on myside, but am unlikely to get support anywhere else.

You are way too resigned! In fact, it makes me suspicious, because it's too weird to be genuine.
Go reread this whole last day man. Put yourself in my shoes. From the very first posts to your last one the trend has been me getting lynched at the end of day. Imagine that I am town and how despondent I must feel about my chances from what people have said.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #751 on: April 28, 2017, 05:47:15 pm »

So we have a nice SK.

Well it does not make a lot of sense for a SK to go after a claimed VT one N1 I think. That only really works if they were afraid of mcmc. So that's a good place to start looking.

On the other hand, mcmc had a partner. That guy is also worth looking for.
Which I haven't really seen him do much of aside from saying that if I am not the SK, I must be mafia and am a good lynch. What a cop out.
Err. I never said that?

Also, I reread mcmc right after that thing you quoted to look for partners. This is rather ridiculous misrepresentation.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #752 on: April 28, 2017, 05:48:34 pm »

The sad truth is that mcmc did not have a lot of interactions apart from his end-of-day wagon. Which I analyzed and formed some reads upon.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #753 on: April 28, 2017, 05:49:28 pm »

I think we would keep a lower profile.

Also, I will call your read on him OMGUS, per your invitation to do so.

Uh, no he wouldn't.  Have you read his traitor game?
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #754 on: April 28, 2017, 05:50:53 pm »

The only strike I see against faust--and I guess I shouldn't write it off as much as I have--is that he has this long and complicated theory for why you are the SK, and I guess arguably that's most likely to be coming from mafia who's stinging from the loss of a partner last night. The impulse to extra super duper SK hunt has to be strong with mafia right now.
And you think I would just give in to that as mafia?

I don't think my theory is "long and complicated", it's fairly obvious.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #755 on: April 28, 2017, 05:52:36 pm »

I think we would keep a lower profile.

Also, I will call your read on him OMGUS, per your invitation to do so.

Uh, no he wouldn't.  Have you read his traitor game?
I do believe that traitors should play way differently than SKs for the record. A traitor wants to do out there things that would be too dangerous for the mafia.

That said I probably wouldn't ever keep a low profile. It doesn't become me.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #756 on: April 28, 2017, 05:57:55 pm »

So we have a nice SK.

Well it does not make a lot of sense for a SK to go after a claimed VT one N1 I think. That only really works if they were afraid of mcmc. So that's a good place to start looking.

On the other hand, mcmc had a partner. That guy is also worth looking for.
Which I haven't really seen him do much of aside from saying that if I am not the SK, I must be mafia and am a good lynch. What a cop out.
Err. I never said that?

Also, I reread mcmc right after that thing you quoted to look for partners. This is rather ridiculous misrepresentation.
You are correct. Robz said it.

And yes, you assessed it, but to actually quote you this time:
I saw that, but it doesn't matter.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #757 on: April 28, 2017, 06:04:52 pm »

Am confused about the kkrieg stuff.


Confused about what stuff?
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #758 on: April 28, 2017, 06:05:33 pm »

I think we would keep a lower profile.

Also, I will call your read on him OMGUS, per your invitation to do so.

Uh, no he wouldn't.  Have you read his traitor game?
I do believe that traitors should play way differently than SKs for the record. A traitor wants to do out there things that would be too dangerous for the mafia.

That said I probably wouldn't ever keep a low profile. It doesn't become me.

It is very true.  A quiet faust is a dead faust.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #759 on: April 28, 2017, 06:09:22 pm »

Am confused about the kkrieg stuff.


Confused about what stuff?
Why she is suspicious.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #760 on: April 28, 2017, 08:38:13 pm »

what is gkrieg's track record reading faust & vice versa?
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #761 on: April 28, 2017, 08:41:15 pm »

I think gkrieg could be scummy. He is pretty accurate at reading me IRL. I think he knows I'm not scum and yet he's voting for me. Granted I am crap at reading gkrieg so you never know.


I think we would keep a lower profile.

I kinda agree with this. I think scum has reason to either lay low (like e, maybe eevee) or be super defensive (like twm)
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #762 on: April 28, 2017, 09:23:35 pm »

I think gkrieg could be scummy. He is pretty accurate at reading me IRL. I think he knows I'm not scum and yet he's voting for me.

Interesting.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #763 on: April 28, 2017, 09:28:20 pm »

what is gkrieg's track record reading faust & vice versa?

I think it is pretty bad both ways.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #764 on: April 29, 2017, 10:49:40 am »

I think gkrieg could be scummy. He is pretty accurate at reading me IRL. I think he knows I'm not scum and yet he's voting for me.
what have you done here that you would expect him to townread you for?
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #765 on: April 29, 2017, 11:05:25 am »

I think gkrieg could be scummy. He is pretty accurate at reading me IRL. I think he knows I'm not scum and yet he's voting for me. Granted I am crap at reading gkrieg so you never know.


I think we would keep a lower profile.

I kinda agree with this. I think scum has reason to either lay low (like e, maybe eevee) or be super defensive (like twm)
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #766 on: April 29, 2017, 11:24:52 am »

I haven't done post counts or anything, but TWM has done more to move this game forward and find scum than anyone else. Sure, he has put himself out there and done some things that can be construed as scummy, but to me (especially what he has done D2) feels a lot like what I have found myself get in trouble for a lot, that is, act as if I am an IC and nothing can touch me and just post thoughts with impunity.....then get called scummy for it.

His level of activity, content, and drive is really what has been pushing the game forward in my opinion, and even if he is scum (which I doubt) I think we should try to lynch the other scums  (SK/traitor/goon) rather than him. A few more flips and we will be able to read TWM very well based on his positions. We just should not lynch him today at least.

That being said, wagons are cool. Back to

Vote: kkrieg
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #767 on: April 29, 2017, 12:29:08 pm »

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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (PMs are out! N0)
« Reply #768 on: April 29, 2017, 12:33:38 pm »

Vote count 2.3
The_Wine_Merchant (3): faust, schadd, Robz888
faust (1): AndrewisFTTW
kkrieg (3): gkrieg13, The_Wine_Merchant, 2,71828.....
Not voting (2): Eevee, kkrieg

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day 2 ends Wednesday, 3rd of May at 4 am FT.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #769 on: April 29, 2017, 12:40:53 pm »

Vote: TWM L-1.

I think there are parallels with his level of activity and effort here to the last day of fibonacci (?) mafia where we were scum together.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #770 on: April 29, 2017, 12:42:29 pm »

Have others had trouble accessing the forum today?
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #771 on: April 29, 2017, 12:56:16 pm »

Have others had trouble accessing the forum today?

Yes
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #772 on: April 29, 2017, 01:34:19 pm »

I haven't done post counts or anything, but TWM has done more to move this game forward and find scum than anyone else. Sure, he has put himself out there and done some things that can be construed as scummy, but to me (especially what he has done D2) feels a lot like what I have found myself get in trouble for a lot, that is, act as if I am an IC and nothing can touch me and just post thoughts with impunity.....then get called scummy for it.

His level of activity, content, and drive is really what has been pushing the game forward in my opinion, and even if he is scum (which I doubt) I think we should try to lynch the other scums  (SK/traitor/goon) rather than him. A few more flips and we will be able to read TWM very well based on his positions. We just should not lynch him today at least.
You say that and yet you have been voting for me not too long ago.

It would be nice if ou actually shared your read on TWM and the reasons for it instead of just saying we shouldn't lynch him because he can post more than twice a day.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #773 on: April 29, 2017, 01:45:34 pm »

kkrieg's wagon is wayyyyyy townier than TWM's.  Robz and schadd are null at best.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #774 on: April 29, 2017, 01:46:36 pm »

I haven't done post counts or anything, but TWM has done more to move this game forward and find scum than anyone else. Sure, he has put himself out there and done some things that can be construed as scummy, but to me (especially what he has done D2) feels a lot like what I have found myself get in trouble for a lot, that is, act as if I am an IC and nothing can touch me and just post thoughts with impunity.....then get called scummy for it.

His level of activity, content, and drive is really what has been pushing the game forward in my opinion, and even if he is scum (which I doubt) I think we should try to lynch the other scums  (SK/traitor/goon) rather than him. A few more flips and we will be able to read TWM very well based on his positions. We just should not lynch him today at least.
You say that and yet you have been voting for me not too long ago.

It would be nice if ou actually shared your read on TWM and the reasons for it instead of just saying we shouldn't lynch him because he can post more than twice a day.

I did that in the post you quoted....I will expand further though.

Not quoting spacific references because that is too hard on the phone

1) his initial townread on me from D1 was not something that I think he does as scum. I had made a few posts, said a few things, and he comes out saying I am 100% town. Ok, not quite like that, but I don't think scum!TWM reads me quite like that.

2) the way he entered into D2 and got suspicion and stuff felt very much like how I post sometimes as town when I feel like everything I have done makes me obv!town. I usually do the whole claim IC thing even though I am not, but his posts have the feel of someone who thinks they can post with impunity and there is no way town would ever lynch them. Except town does lynch them.

I still remember dice mafia where I had 9 town lynch me on D2 without a single scum on the wagon. I have a way of getting (unintentionally) into TvT battles. I feel like that is happening somewhat with TWM.

Except, of course, I think faust is scum on the wagon.
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