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Author Topic: M98: Русская Mafia (Game over! Town won!)  (Read 151112 times)

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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #675 on: April 27, 2017, 12:36:58 pm »

Andrew, what on earth are you talking about?
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #676 on: April 27, 2017, 12:41:58 pm »

Mafia JOAT and they have strongman and ninja
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #677 on: April 27, 2017, 12:44:14 pm »

Oh JOAT is a mafia role. Well, nevermind. SK it is.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #678 on: April 27, 2017, 12:47:47 pm »

Now, lots of things could've blocked the shot like commuter, JK, mafia shot SK.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #679 on: April 27, 2017, 01:10:29 pm »

In which case a lack of a town NK could also be explained in 1 & 7 by the commuter. If the JK blocked the kill we would know by now I think, which makes me think we're not in 6. Similarly I don't think we're in 2. So I'm thinking we're in 1, 5, or 7.
There's a bunch of explanations for a missing nightkill. I have no idea why we would know if the JK blocked the kill.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #680 on: April 27, 2017, 01:13:53 pm »

Andrew's post is so out there I don't think it's a purposeful townslip. So if we are in a JOAT setup, that means he's likely town.

... wrote that and then realized that there are no setups with both JOAT and SK. Boo hoo. That means it's not a townslip at all. Or maybe it is? I mean I would think that scum would have taken a closer look at the setup.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #681 on: April 27, 2017, 01:22:43 pm »

Andrew's post is so out there I don't think it's a purposeful townslip. So if we are in a JOAT setup, that means he's likely town.

... wrote that and then realized that there are no setups with both JOAT and SK. Boo hoo. That means it's not a townslip at all. Or maybe it is? I mean I would think that scum would have taken a closer look at the setup.

It makes me think he is very unlikely to be mafia, but could still be SK.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #682 on: April 27, 2017, 01:24:28 pm »

Andrew's post is so out there I don't think it's a purposeful townslip. So if we are in a JOAT setup, that means he's likely town.

... wrote that and then realized that there are no setups with both JOAT and SK. Boo hoo. That means it's not a townslip at all. Or maybe it is? I mean I would think that scum would have taken a closer look at the setup.

It makes me think he is very unlikely to be mafia, but could still be SK.
If he was the SK he would be thrilled to vote for me. But he isn't. So he isn't the SK.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #683 on: April 27, 2017, 01:55:53 pm »

TWM, it's not all about you.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #684 on: April 27, 2017, 02:16:28 pm »

TWM, it's not all about you.
Sure it is. I have three votes right now and have had probably 80% of the posts today surrounding me.

But to be more serious, if you take as a given that I am town (which you can't know, but just go with me), if you or anyone else is mafia or SK I would think they would be jumping onto this, or at least leaving the door open to joining this wagon. Because I will concede there are items that point toward me being SK or mafia. I don't think they are great, but they are certainly there. I would basically be a great opportunity to get a townie lynched with little to zero blame or accountability. They could easily point back and say, Hey there was some really good evidence there, guess we were wrong as a whole.

There is little benefit for either Andrew or 2.7 as SK or mafia to flat out read me as town. The only benefit is if I say something like I am now. But there is no way they could anticipate I would react this way prior to them saying it and they couldn't even know if it would end up being useful as they wouldn't know if I might end up flipping SK or mafia and thus wouldn't be a trustworthy assessor of their alignment.

Morale of the story. I am townreading Andrew and 2.7 and you should to if I should die and when I flip town.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #685 on: April 27, 2017, 02:17:55 pm »


green -> not green; nobody especially seems sk other than twm and kind of maybe gkrieg
{eevee, faust}
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{andrew, gkrieg}
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #686 on: April 27, 2017, 02:24:17 pm »

something happened.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #687 on: April 27, 2017, 02:27:34 pm »

TWM, it's not all about you.
Sure it is. I have three votes right now and have had probably 80% of the posts today surrounding me.

But to be more serious, if you take as a given that I am town (which you can't know, but just go with me), if you or anyone else is mafia or SK I would think they would be jumping onto this, or at least leaving the door open to joining this wagon. Because I will concede there are items that point toward me being SK or mafia. I don't think they are great, but they are certainly there. I would basically be a great opportunity to get a townie lynched with little to zero blame or accountability. They could easily point back and say, Hey there was some really good evidence there, guess we were wrong as a whole.

There is little benefit for either Andrew or 2.7 as SK or mafia to flat out read me as town. The only benefit is if I say something like I am now. But there is no way they could anticipate I would react this way prior to them saying it and they couldn't even know if it would end up being useful as they wouldn't know if I might end up flipping SK or mafia and thus wouldn't be a trustworthy assessor of their alignment.

Morale of the story. I am townreading Andrew and 2.7 and you should to if I should die and when I flip town.

I don't want to be giving a potential scum player advice, but... there will be more days this game, and it's probably in scum's advantage to have scummy-seeming people live beyond today. That way they will be around for mislynching later. So I don't think it's quite this obvious that scum (if not you) would be absolutely trying to get you lynched right now.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #688 on: April 27, 2017, 02:28:52 pm »

There is little benefit for either Andrew or 2.7 as SK or mafia to flat out read me as town.

There would be if you would end up flipping town. That should be obvious. That you don't factor that in... well, it does make it look like that is not an option for you.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #689 on: April 27, 2017, 02:29:20 pm »


green -> not green; nobody especially seems sk other than twm and kind of maybe gkrieg
{eevee, faust}
{e}
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{andrew, gkrieg}
{robz, twm}

Who do you think is more likely SK? Super active/overly defensive TWM or slightly lurky/jokey gkrieg?
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #690 on: April 27, 2017, 02:31:38 pm »


green -> not green; nobody especially seems sk other than twm and kind of maybe gkrieg
{eevee, faust}
{e}
{kkrieg}
{andrew, gkrieg}
{robz, twm}

Who do you think is more likely SK? Super active/overly defensive TWM or slightly lurky/jokey gkrieg?

I'm not sure where I got the jokey title in this. 
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #691 on: April 27, 2017, 02:32:20 pm »

It is also interesting that even looking at the interactions on the mcmc wagon, it is possible that only 1 of 3 scum actually knew mcmcsalot was mafia.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #692 on: April 27, 2017, 02:34:15 pm »

There is little benefit for either Andrew or 2.7 as SK or mafia to flat out read me as town.

There would be if you would end up flipping town. That should be obvious. That you don't factor that in... well, it does make it look like that is not an option for you.
What is the benefit? Who is going to give them credit?
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #693 on: April 27, 2017, 02:34:54 pm »

faust reminds me of me as scum, constantly reminding everyone of possible edge cases and really pushing TWM and at the very least hinting that everything he says is scummy. Whether that's scum indicative or not of faust I don't know, but it reads scum to me.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #694 on: April 27, 2017, 02:35:45 pm »


green -> not green; nobody especially seems sk other than twm and kind of maybe gkrieg
{eevee, faust}
{e}
{kkrieg}
{andrew, gkrieg}
{robz, twm}

Who do you think is more likely SK? Super active/overly defensive TWM or slightly lurky/jokey gkrieg?

I'm not sure where I got the jokey title in this.

The "TWM it's not all about you" comment, mostly.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #695 on: April 27, 2017, 02:36:11 pm »

faust reminds me of me as scum, constantly reminding everyone of possible edge cases and really pushing TWM and at the very least hinting that everything he says is scummy. Whether that's scum indicative or not of faust I don't know, but it reads scum to me.
YES!
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #696 on: April 27, 2017, 02:39:46 pm »


green -> not green; nobody especially seems sk other than twm and kind of maybe gkrieg
{eevee, faust}
{e}
{kkrieg}
{andrew, gkrieg}
{robz, twm}

Who do you think is more likely SK? Super active/overly defensive TWM or slightly lurky/jokey gkrieg?

I'm not sure where I got the jokey title in this.

The "TWM it's not all about you" comment, mostly.

Oh, that wasn't really a joke...  It was honest criticism.  I think only looking at interactions of people with you as a means of reading people is not a very good method.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #697 on: April 27, 2017, 02:40:22 pm »

Noted.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #698 on: April 27, 2017, 03:31:48 pm »


green -> not green; nobody especially seems sk other than twm and kind of maybe gkrieg
{eevee, faust}
{e}
{kkrieg}
{andrew, gkrieg}
{robz, twm}

Who do you think is more likely SK? Super active/overly defensive TWM or slightly lurky/jokey gkrieg?
those are not exactly the things i'm looking for in SK, nor do i think discussing that is productive
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #699 on: April 27, 2017, 03:32:36 pm »

also gkrieg isn't lurking, nor do i think that's indicative of anything
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