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Author Topic: M98: Русская Mafia (Game over! Town won!)  (Read 158896 times)

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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #650 on: April 26, 2017, 09:24:36 pm »

Vote: kkrieg

TWM is town, like I said D1
Well now I am glad that I didn't go for either your or Andrew's lynch Day 1.

Don't push your luck.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #651 on: April 27, 2017, 12:12:52 am »

Oh go away for a little bit.

You are obviously going to be able to win any argument that I put at you because you are better at twisting words and using select quotes and appealing to emotions in a way that people still like you at the end of it.

So I am not even going to try and get frustrated with you. I'll put up some stuff later today (today as in today in this game by the way, like Saturday or Sunday) as long as I don't get lynched.

Then you can just totally demolish it and get everyone to ignore it.

Uh I'm really surprised you are so touchy about this. Say why doing what you did D 1 is townie. Also I know kkrieg was online and could've voted mcmcsalot. vote: kkrieg
Yea I won't deny that. I could have switched my vote but I honestly thought Awaclus was scummier than mcmc.


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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #652 on: April 27, 2017, 12:14:42 am »

Vote: Robz


This is an L-2 vote on me.

I guess I'm not the worst lynch ever, if that's what's going to happen. I am a Vanilla Townie.
Also I totally believed this. I mean it was bolded and seemed official you know.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #653 on: April 27, 2017, 12:15:55 am »

I am caught up, I am also a vanilla townie. I also don't have much to add. I am much less confident of my reads after failing super hard last game and think most people are playing as I expect them to be playing. I would be open to lynching andrew, twm, 2.7. kkrieg, eevee, awaclus. Also I am sleepy and slightly inebriated.
Oops totally meant to quote this one.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #654 on: April 27, 2017, 12:20:07 am »

Leaning toward a TWM vote right now.

Does town win if the SK is still alive?
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #655 on: April 27, 2017, 12:26:34 am »

Leaning toward a TWM vote right now.

Does town win if the SK is still alive?

Check the win con in your role PM.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #656 on: April 27, 2017, 12:29:02 am »

Leaning toward a TWM vote right now.

Does town win if the SK is still alive?

Check the win con in your role PM.

Actually in the OP. The short answer is no. Town doesn't win with the SK alive.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #657 on: April 27, 2017, 01:25:22 am »

Leaning toward a TWM vote right now.

Does town win if the SK is still alive?

Cautious town or "doesn't want to over commit to a mislynch" scum?

I am leaning towards the latter of the two
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #658 on: April 27, 2017, 01:37:28 am »

Leaning toward a TWM vote right now.

Does town win if the SK is still alive?

Cautious town or "doesn't want to over commit to a mislynch" scum?

I am leaning towards the latter of the two
Cautious town. I feel like garbage for voting Awaclus.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #659 on: April 27, 2017, 02:14:37 am »

TWM your point about saving mcmc as he could be a potential mislynch later, that's not really a point in your favor specifically. I think everyone would've had the same train of thought and would not've shot mcmc. Thus I think there was some other PR at work and maybe trying to tie a direct link from the mcmc kill to someone else is a little shoddy. And those who have been trying to do just that are a little scummy. Now would be a good time to look at the setup.
I am not really sure what this means.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #660 on: April 27, 2017, 02:30:59 am »

There can be no other PR at work. The only explanation for mcmc dying is that the SK shot him. This is fairly obvious.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #661 on: April 27, 2017, 07:46:52 am »

And the only possible person who could have shot him is me because mcmc suspected me.

Way to narrow your line of thinking. Maybe I'll decide it must have been Robz because he feared mcmc being able to read him. That makes just as much sense right?

The beauty of your line of thinking is that I can't do anything about it. All of the evidence are things that mcmc said, not things that I said, yet I am being held accountable for them.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #662 on: April 27, 2017, 08:23:50 am »

The beauty of your line of thinking is that I can't do anything about it. All of the evidence are things that mcmc said, not things that I said, yet I am being held accountable for them.
someone's like "I'm detective and twm killed someone" and you're like "ok that's something they said why am i accountable for it?
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #663 on: April 27, 2017, 09:04:53 am »

Eevee emotional analysis:

Sometimes in mafia, being suspected makes the target frustrated. I think there are three different kinds of frustration:

1. Omgus'ing, maybe saying "you should know better", getting aggressive towards the people suspecting you, calling them dumb.
2. Being unhappy with yourself for putting town in this position, the "woe is me".
3. Being frustrated at the arguments other people are making, calling the arguments terrible while not necessarily suspecting the people making them.


I think the first is pretty much a toss-up regarding their alignment, it's usually just a sign that someone is upset. The second I think is towny, because scum in that position is in fight-mode, not looking to concede it could be their fault, but rather looking to claw their way out of the trouble (robz really fooled me with acting resigned and blaming himself as scum in a recent game, but I'm not claiming these are perfect heuristics and Robz knows how I think pretty well and is good at manipulating me specifically). The third I think is a scum frame of mind "No, guys, if you only saw that argument is terrible, you'd realize you shouldn't suspect me", I think this often comes with not suspecting your accusers (because you know they are town), but trying to disprove their specific arguments because you don't feel they are legitimate (and the frustration comes from being in a bad spot with the suspicion but not feeling it's deserved because the arguments aren't "right").

TWM sounds to me like he is frustrated about the reasons for the suspicion, rather than being worried about the consequences for town, which seems to me like scum behavior.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #664 on: April 27, 2017, 09:06:20 am »

The beauty of your line of thinking is that I can't do anything about it. All of the evidence are things that mcmc said, not things that I said, yet I am being held accountable for them.
someone's like "I'm detective and twm killed someone" and you're like "ok that's something they said why am i accountable for it?
Don't be ridiculous.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #665 on: April 27, 2017, 09:09:10 am »

TWM sounds to me like he is frustrated about the reasons for the suspicion, rather than being worried about the consequences for town, which seems to me like scum behavior.
That is a fair criticism of me. I should care a bit more about what the impact of my mislynch will have on the game, but it is hard to do when players are approaching it with what I think is a somewhat reckless manner. See schadd's above comment. Is that comment supposed to make me feel better about town (assuming he is town) or more apathetic about whether or not we win after I get lynched?
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #666 on: April 27, 2017, 09:46:04 am »

And the only possible person who could have shot him is me because mcmc suspected me.
Not only; I also think that no veteran SK would have shot mcmc.

The beauty of your line of thinking is that I can't do anything about it. All of the evidence are things that mcmc said, not things that I said, yet I am being held accountable for them.
That's true. I suppose that would suck for you, but it does not make my line of thinking any less valid.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #667 on: April 27, 2017, 10:08:56 am »

Well then I guess I am going to get lynched unless other people disagree about your assessment.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #668 on: April 27, 2017, 11:14:59 am »

What is the case on TWM?

I eevee had a really good post, I disagree with the conclusion
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #669 on: April 27, 2017, 11:27:09 am »

What is the case on TWM?

mcmc was voting for me, so it is likely that I shot him. This makes me the SK.

I voted for mcmc but then left the wagon late at a time when if I had stayed and pressed the issue, he might have been lynched. This makes me mcmc's partner.

Pick your poison. And yes, I am sure there are some subtleties that I am purposefully leaving out (others can add them in as they see fit), but that is basically what it boils down to, right?
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #670 on: April 27, 2017, 11:31:16 am »

What is the case on TWM?

I eevee had a really good post, I disagree with the conclusion

I think it's decently likely he's mcmc's partner given his comment refuting the SK logic, which only makes sense if he knew mcmc was scum.

Alternatively, it's possible he is the SK, for reasons faust has stated.

This makes him a pretty good person to lynch.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #671 on: April 27, 2017, 11:45:07 am »

There can be no other PR at work. The only explanation for mcmc dying is that the SK shot him. This is fairly obvious.

Wait what? How are you sure? The setups with SK have no PR that could interfere, but the kill could've also come from a JOAT and no town NK could've been from a BP townie or a communter:

2. Watcher, Jailkeeper, Psychologist; 2-shot JOAT
5. Watcher, 1-shot BP Townie, 1-shot Commuter; 2-shot JOAT

If there was a SK it would be one of these:

1. Detective, 1-shot Commuter, Goon Cop; 1-shot Investigation Immune + Serial Killer
6. Detective, Jailkeeper, Psychologist; Mafia Knows Traitor + Serial Killer
7. 1-shot Commuter, Jailkeeper, Detective; Traitor Knows Mafia + Serial Killer

In which case a lack of a town NK could also be explained in 1 & 7 by the commuter. If the JK blocked the kill we would know by now I think, which makes me think we're not in 6. Similarly I don't think we're in 2. So I'm thinking we're in 1, 5, or 7.

Also, what does a Detective do? I can't find an entry for it.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #672 on: April 27, 2017, 12:12:39 pm »

How does scum get killer without SK?
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #673 on: April 27, 2017, 12:12:52 pm »

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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #674 on: April 27, 2017, 12:31:17 pm »

JOAT as vig.
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