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Author Topic: M98: Русская Mafia (Game over! Town won!)  (Read 61137 times)

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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #75 on: April 17, 2017, 11:07:32 am »

Plan sounds ok. I would stick with the BG/1-shot and not include the commuter
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #76 on: April 17, 2017, 11:12:17 am »

awaclus is maybe lockscum but robz is a more interesting vote atm
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #77 on: April 17, 2017, 11:12:36 am »

As far as the Bodyguard issue is concerned, I think it's fine to do it either way. I remember I played some (other?) setup as scum where we had to decide between doing something better or doing something worse but playing around Bodyguard, so it's bretty good to have it be a possibility that we have a hidden Bodyguard that scum knows nothing about. On the other hand, the IC might be better than actually having the Bodyguard. So actually what I'd suggest is that we leave it up to the Bodyguard themselves to decide whether or not they want to claim if we have one, just so we can possibly have an IC but if we don't have a Bodyguard, scum doesn't instantly know that.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #78 on: April 17, 2017, 11:19:58 am »

As far as the Bodyguard issue is concerned, I think it's fine to do it either way. I remember I played some (other?) setup as scum where we had to decide between doing something better or doing something worse but playing around Bodyguard, so it's bretty good to have it be a possibility that we have a hidden Bodyguard that scum knows nothing about. On the other hand, the IC might be better than actually having the Bodyguard. So actually what I'd suggest is that we leave it up to the Bodyguard themselves to decide whether or not they want to claim if we have one, just so we can possibly have an IC but if we don't have a Bodyguard, scum doesn't instantly know that.
I kinda like this idea.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #79 on: April 17, 2017, 11:25:49 am »

Well it's always up to the Bodyguard themselves...
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #80 on: April 17, 2017, 12:36:51 pm »

Well it's always up to the Bodyguard themselves...

So true.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #81 on: April 17, 2017, 12:37:24 pm »

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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #82 on: April 17, 2017, 12:46:23 pm »

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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #83 on: April 17, 2017, 01:23:13 pm »

Well it's always up to the Bodyguard themselves...

But what I mean is that we shouldn't collectively decide that the Bodyguard should claim.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #84 on: April 17, 2017, 01:32:41 pm »

Well it's always up to the Bodyguard themselves...

But what I mean is that we shouldn't collectively decide that the Bodyguard should claim.
Okay, but how do we decide on Bodyguard vs 1-shot BP claiming?
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #85 on: April 17, 2017, 01:44:29 pm »

I personally think a 1-shot BP should not claim. We want scum to actually shoot at a 1-shot BP--that's the best use of the PR, and it doesn't happen if a 1-shot BP claims, yes?
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #86 on: April 17, 2017, 02:11:02 pm »

I personally think a 1-shot BP should not claim. We want scum to actually shoot at a 1-shot BP--that's the best use of the PR, and it doesn't happen if a 1-shot BP claims, yes?

I agree with this.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #87 on: April 17, 2017, 02:12:34 pm »

Oh there's a plan? Cool yeah do that. Let's lynch teh scum.

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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #88 on: April 17, 2017, 02:36:38 pm »

I personally think a 1-shot BP should not claim. We want scum to actually shoot at a 1-shot BP--that's the best use of the PR, and it doesn't happen if a 1-shot BP claims, yes?
Having an unkillable IC is pretty sweet though.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #89 on: April 17, 2017, 02:38:23 pm »

I personally think a 1-shot BP should not claim. We want scum to actually shoot at a 1-shot BP--that's the best use of the PR, and it doesn't happen if a 1-shot BP claims, yes?
Having an unkillable IC is pretty sweet though.
In theory we could have both as long as we don't accidentally lynch the 1-shot BP. So maybe we shouldn't have any unannounced hammers or last minute lynches?
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #90 on: April 17, 2017, 03:20:26 pm »

in theory it might be useful to be like "i'm BP. sheep me"
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #91 on: April 17, 2017, 03:31:52 pm »

I personally think a 1-shot BP should not claim. We want scum to actually shoot at a 1-shot BP--that's the best use of the PR, and it doesn't happen if a 1-shot BP claims, yes?
Having an unkillable IC is pretty sweet though.
In theory we could have both as long as we don't accidentally lynch the 1-shot BP. So maybe we shouldn't have any unannounced hammers or last minute lynches?
1. Preventing hammers and last minute lynches has never worked.
2. The 1-shot BP is only an IC as long as it does not make sense for scum to fakeclaim. Which it doesn't now, but may close to LyLo. And in this setup, LyLo can be D2.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (PMs are out! N0)
« Reply #92 on: April 17, 2017, 04:20:06 pm »

Vote count 1.1

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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #93 on: April 17, 2017, 05:14:35 pm »

in theory it might be useful to be like "i'm BP. sheep me"

I don't like this theory.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #94 on: April 17, 2017, 05:30:07 pm »

:c


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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #95 on: April 17, 2017, 06:58:31 pm »

Kkrieg is gkrieg's wife, correct? Hi, kkrieg! Mcmcsalot and I are brothers, FWIW.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #96 on: April 17, 2017, 08:05:35 pm »

Kkrieg is gkrieg's wife, correct? Hi, kkrieg! Mcmcsalot and I are brothers, FWIW.

Yes that's right!
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #97 on: April 17, 2017, 09:35:12 pm »

oh unfortunately there wasn't an SK last game so they didn't get to see my plan in action. if you are an SK it benefits you to claim in this setup
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #98 on: April 17, 2017, 11:07:14 pm »

Hi everyone!

Just a heads up -
1. I'm new so I might will ask some questions
2. because of my work it's sometimes hard to post throughout my day


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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #99 on: April 17, 2017, 11:08:03 pm »

Kkrieg is gkrieg's wife, correct? Hi, kkrieg! Mcmcsalot and I are brothers, FWIW.
Hi! And thanks for the info:)
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