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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (1 spot left!)
« Reply #25 on: April 14, 2017, 01:27:47 am »

I would like to play but since gkrieg is playing, I'll only play if it's ok with everyone.

We obviously wouldn't talk about the game at all outside of the forum.

If anyone is uncomfortable with me playing I totally understand!
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (1 spot left!)
« Reply #26 on: April 14, 2017, 01:48:15 am »

I would like to play but since gkrieg is playing, I'll only play if it's ok with everyone.

We obviously wouldn't talk about the game at all outside of the forum.

If anyone is uncomfortable with me playing I totally understand!

If it comes to me, i am perfectly fine with that
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (1 spot left!)
« Reply #27 on: April 14, 2017, 04:07:45 am »

I would like to play but since gkrieg is playing, I'll only play if it's ok with everyone.

We obviously wouldn't talk about the game at all outside of the forum.

If anyone is uncomfortable with me playing I totally understand!

I don't have any problems with it.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (1 spot left!)
« Reply #28 on: April 14, 2017, 04:37:25 am »

No probs. Also I look forward to playing with you!
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (1 spot left!)
« Reply #29 on: April 14, 2017, 04:41:39 am »

Okay then. I am sending pms starting in 10 minutes. Thread locked except for tags.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (PMs are out! N0)
« Reply #30 on: April 14, 2017, 04:48:56 am »

PMs are out. Also, I realised that some people are VLA for the weekends, so the game will start on Monday, 17th of April, at 5am FT. Confirms your roles in QTs stating them till then, please.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (PMs are out! N0)
« Reply #31 on: April 15, 2017, 08:58:53 pm »

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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (PMs are out! N0)
« Reply #32 on: April 17, 2017, 05:22:35 am »

Обычная русская деревня в Сибири. 12 семей, живущих здесь поколениями. Сотни лет все шло хорошо, пока однажды не прошел слух, что где-то рядом закопано золото... Кто-то решил откопать его и поделиться со всеми, но были и те, что договорились забрать все себе...

Common russian Siberian village. 12 families living in peace for generations. Hundreads of years everything went pretty normal, until one day, when some of villagers discovered gold, mined in the groung nearby. There were some who decided to split the gold evenly, but there were some who decided to cooperate and acquire more gold than others...

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« Last Edit: April 17, 2017, 05:23:51 am by LaLight »
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #33 on: April 17, 2017, 05:35:11 am »

First!
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #34 on: April 17, 2017, 05:44:40 am »

Welcome welcome welcome!

There was something about this setup that should be talked about.

I remember now. The theory of claiming.

There are 4 roles in the roster that are unique:

Goon Cop
Watcher
1-shot Bulletproof
Bodyguard

Any claim of one of them limits the set of possible setups to 2, and for any of our PRs, to 1 (i.e. they know the setup exactly). On the flip side, it also lets the mafia know the exact setup.

Now Goon Cop and Watcher are awful claims of course. But 1-shot BP and Bodyguard may actually be beneficial - Bodyguard is not hurt a lot by a claim, and 1-shot BP givesus essentially a 1-shot BP IC. Fakeclaiming these roles should is impossible without counterclaim.

Opinions?
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #35 on: April 17, 2017, 06:21:53 am »

Makes sense to me. A named townie is arguably stronger than bodyguards actual effect. 1-shot bulletproof is less clear.

Is it a big downside to have mafia know the actual setup? They usually find out before us via the flips anyways.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #36 on: April 17, 2017, 07:54:27 am »

Oh, one other thing: Bodyguard/1-shot BP can appear in the same setup; in that case, we probably (?) do not want both to claim.

So if we decide on claims, we should probably first all claim Bodyguard/non-Bodyguard and if there was no positive, continue with BP (or vice versa).

On the other hand, a coordinated procedure may be bad for us if there's no claim, because that would let mafia know the full setup while we may be none the wiser, so there's a risk.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #37 on: April 17, 2017, 08:00:18 am »

Maybe easier to wait like two days, and have the 1-shot BP claim then (if they feel that's the play to make)? To not have it completely dominate the discussion early.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #38 on: April 17, 2017, 08:56:58 am »

vote: awaclus
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to level the playing field. and the last person on the playerlist is probably whomst i'd rvs anyway so that's nice.

bodyguard is nonzero town utility. bp probably wouldn't get nightkilled if they claimed.

because scum will almost certainly notice, and would likely nk you anyway:
we probably (?) do not want both to claim.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #39 on: April 17, 2017, 08:58:58 am »

if i ruined some sort of elaborate breadcrumb wifom then i'm not sorry
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #40 on: April 17, 2017, 08:59:33 am »

and obv. feel free to not say anything about it
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #41 on: April 17, 2017, 09:01:32 am »

Welcome welcome welcome!

There was something about this setup that should be talked about.

I remember now. The theory of claiming.

There are 4 roles in the roster that are unique:

Goon Cop
Watcher
1-shot Bulletproof
Bodyguard

Any claim of one of them limits the set of possible setups to 2, and for any of our PRs, to 1 (i.e. they know the setup exactly). On the flip side, it also lets the mafia know the exact setup.

Now Goon Cop and Watcher are awful claims of course. But 1-shot BP and Bodyguard may actually be beneficial - Bodyguard is not hurt a lot by a claim, and 1-shot BP givesus essentially a 1-shot BP IC. Fakeclaiming these roles should is impossible without counterclaim.

Opinions?

You know what, I don't hate this plan, particularly starting with all of us claiming Bodyguard / not Bodyguard. Let's discuss a bit more, but I'm favorably inclined for us to do that.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #42 on: April 17, 2017, 09:01:55 am »

vote: robz
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #43 on: April 17, 2017, 09:02:08 am »

And yes, named townie seems much stronger than Bodyguard.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #44 on: April 17, 2017, 09:02:43 am »

robz what is your favorite color?
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #45 on: April 17, 2017, 09:04:24 am »

robz what is your favorite color?

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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #46 on: April 17, 2017, 09:05:16 am »

vote stays, sorry. even though that is also my favorite color (buddying?)
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #47 on: April 17, 2017, 09:08:25 am »

And yes, named townie seems much stronger than Bodyguard.
is this backwards?
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #48 on: April 17, 2017, 09:12:50 am »

And yes, named townie seems much stronger than Bodyguard.
is this backwards?

No. Bodyguard is lame.

Cool we have the same favorite color, though.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #49 on: April 17, 2017, 09:13:40 am »

whether it's cool depends on your alignment this game. leaning towards not cool
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