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Author Topic: M98: Русская Mafia (Game over! Town won!)  (Read 54512 times)

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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1300 on: May 05, 2017, 07:30:21 pm »

Robz claiming VT seems SK'y as well. Kind of feel dumb for missing this. Especially for Robz, as the SK avoiding the night kill would be a big big priority. What better way than an early VT claim? Robz doesn't tend to claim early (or VT) in my experience.

I mean, I claimed what I am, and I did it because I was L-1ed. I think.
You weren't.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1301 on: May 05, 2017, 07:33:30 pm »

Eevee flips goon, I am scum, faust is Jailkeeper, he can hopefully block a kill and it is 5 town 2 scum. This will not occur.
Except it will, Traitor!you blocks me and there are two kills.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1302 on: May 05, 2017, 07:54:05 pm »

Eevee flips goon, I am scum, faust is Jailkeeper, he can hopefully block a kill and it is 5 town 2 scum. This will not occur.
Except it will, Traitor!you blocks me and there are two kills.

JK!you jails me and it blocks the kill that I would have inherited from regular mafia.....so only one kill will occur that night.

Except that won't happen because you are the goon not eevee.

What would you propose as a course of action?
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1303 on: May 05, 2017, 07:58:48 pm »

Man, e, why are you so convinced I'm scum?
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1304 on: May 05, 2017, 08:00:11 pm »

Man, e, why are you so convinced I'm scum?

PoE and that case I made against you on D2.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1305 on: May 05, 2017, 08:05:12 pm »

everybody make sure not to say anything about an n3 kill target
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1306 on: May 05, 2017, 08:11:57 pm »

Vote: eevee

Fausts response to my analysis concerning lynching eevee betrays his unwillingness to prove the veracity of his claim. Lynching eevee is the best option.

I still don't know who I think is scum between Robz and schadd, but eevee is scum.



Oh, and faust is scum too.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1307 on: May 05, 2017, 08:34:41 pm »

down to lynch eevee.


fwiw the (primary) reason i scumread gkrieg was because he hadn't townread anyone & i expected him to do a bunch of that early (was conflating him with faust kinda)


also 112 & 114 sounded uh something or other by tone whereas i remembered towngkrieg being kinda toneless
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #1308 on: May 05, 2017, 08:40:59 pm »


looking at old posts
whether it's cool depends on your alignment this game. leaning towards not cool

False, it's cool anyway.
i read that as "it's cool even though i'm scum." i mean i still hope (and somewhat believe) that it was a joke/different interpretation but i felt that "not cool" => "not also town" was intuitive
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #1309 on: May 05, 2017, 08:44:24 pm »

I really want gkrieg and kkrieg to pull off a quickhammer together just so that we can call it blitzkrieg.
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they aren't scumteam unfortunately but it still makes sense for them to possibly quickhammer here
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1310 on: May 05, 2017, 08:45:32 pm »

down to lynch eevee.


fwiw the (primary) reason i scumread gkrieg was because he hadn't townread anyone & i expected him to do a bunch of that early (was conflating him with faust kinda)


also 112 & 114 sounded uh something or other by tone whereas i remembered towngkrieg being kinda toneless
Hey, why me and not Robz?
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1311 on: May 05, 2017, 08:55:14 pm »

i think town's chances improve more if sk is lynched than groupscum
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #1312 on: May 05, 2017, 09:16:18 pm »

I feel like I can remember the things robz has said better but that probably just because he is my brother.
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That leaves Lalight and Space and honestly, you two are kinda of combining together a bit.
On a serious note, me and Space are really good friends so we kinda combine together (if I understood correctly what you meant).
lalight/space was the team there


different people but same partner tell, they feel a need to explain something that might seem partner-y (note that both posts didn't offer explanation for other phenomena mentioned)


also, kinda similar people now that i think about it
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1313 on: May 05, 2017, 09:17:12 pm »

granted that relies on an assumption robz is the goon
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1314 on: May 05, 2017, 09:24:21 pm »

Well the good thing about this plan is that it is guaranteed to hit scum. But I kind of think schadd is the SK, not Eevee. And schadd's willingness to go along with this sort of confirms this.

Probably have to do some more thinking about how catastrophic it would be to lynch mafia instead of SK.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #1315 on: May 05, 2017, 09:29:00 pm »

Maybe I am getting better at reading schadd? I can understand about 95% of what he is saying. Or is that scum indicative of him?
Interested in his flip in this game, what if not being cryptic is his scumtell (aka kryptonite)?

looks not!scum. sort of an unintuitive thought to be faked, and scum knows i'm town a bit more than sk


And schadd's willingness to go along with this sort of confirms this.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #1316 on: May 05, 2017, 09:35:26 pm »

why so loose with bringing up buddying? scum narrative could be maintaining the idea in people's head that that's a scummy behavior eevee often exhibits, hoping someone will bite.

It just seems like a strange thing from schadd.  Still not sure if any of this means anything.  If I were a vig, I would consider shooting him (checked the setup and there isn't a vig possible).
oh yeah this. sounded like kill coordination, but i should have realized scumgkrieg is combing his posts for stuff that sounds traitory lm@0000
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1317 on: May 06, 2017, 04:54:08 am »

JK!you jails me and it blocks the kill that I would have inherited from regular mafia.....so only one kill will occur that night.
The rules are unclear about what happens here.

LaLight, which action takes precedence, the Jailkeeper or the Mafia Roleblocker?
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1318 on: May 06, 2017, 06:15:39 am »

JK!you jails me and it blocks the kill that I would have inherited from regular mafia.....so only one kill will occur that night.
The rules are unclear about what happens here.

LaLight, which action takes precedence, the Jailkeeper or the Mafia Roleblocker?

In case if Roleblocker blocks Jailkeeper and makes the kill while being Jailkept, kill goes through.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1319 on: May 06, 2017, 06:21:37 am »

So there's that plan out of the window. It's between schadd and Robz.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1320 on: May 06, 2017, 06:22:17 am »

Plus: We can still lynch Eevee tomorrow if we get the SK now.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #1321 on: May 06, 2017, 06:29:21 am »

I really want gkrieg and kkrieg to pull off a quickhammer together just so that we can call it blitzkrieg.
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they aren't scumteam unfortunately but it still makes sense for them to possibly quickhammer here
This looks pretty bad given the circumstances.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1322 on: May 06, 2017, 06:33:21 am »

I also want to look into explanations of missing nightkills that do not require Eevee to be scum.

Like, N1 scum could have shot the SK or the Traitor. D2 the SK could have used another power. I feel like Eevee being the goon is still the most likely explanation, but I want to see if there's another narrative.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1323 on: May 06, 2017, 07:14:18 am »

Vote: Robz
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #1324 on: May 06, 2017, 07:19:27 am »

I really want gkrieg and kkrieg to pull off a quickhammer together just so that we can call it blitzkrieg.
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they aren't scumteam unfortunately but it still makes sense for them to possibly quickhammer here
This looks pretty bad given the circumstances.
i mean they can't actually quickhammer right now
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