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Author Topic: M98: Русская Mafia (Game over! Town won!)  (Read 110506 times)

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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1000 on: May 02, 2017, 11:09:36 am »

Vote: Eevee
How exactly did e's post convince you to this vote in a way that mine did not? And whatever happened to "let's lynch the SK, which Eevee is not"?
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1001 on: May 02, 2017, 11:10:52 am »

I found Andrew's reasons at least:

faust reminds me of me as scum, constantly reminding everyone of possible edge cases and really pushing TWM and at the very least hinting that everything he says is scummy. Whether that's scum indicative or not of faust I don't know, but it reads scum to me.

Which I think I addressed but clearly not in a manner that was sufficiently convincing.

I get that the thing is appealing if Andrew truly thinks I look the same way he does as scum. But we are different people, and pointing out edge cases is certainly not a scum tell for me.

I don't really get how pushing TWM hard is scummy. I think he's scum, so I push him. Applying pressure hopefully tells me even more about him. Scum has no reason to expose themselves like this; it's reasonable enough to think that the SK, after killing a scum early, would try to gun for town next; that's actually a plus for the mafia. The only reason for scum to push is to divert attention, and what I've been doing has certainly not achieved that.

Yeah well, it's more of a gut read right now. But I don't see TWM killing mcmc last night. I do see you doing it and then blaming TWM for it, however.
Really?

Well I think we never have been scum together, so fair enough. Know that I would never, and I also explained why the SK framing TWM makes no sense.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1002 on: May 02, 2017, 11:17:11 am »

Fine I'll put together a whole Robz case.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1003 on: May 02, 2017, 11:18:19 am »

I think Eevee is the only one left to post after the claim.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1004 on: May 02, 2017, 11:18:57 am »

Vote: Eevee
How exactly did e's post convince you to this vote in a way that mine did not? And whatever happened to "let's lynch the SK, which Eevee is not"?

Well, now we don't have kkrieg as a lynch option, so Eevee is automatically more appealing. And, for reasons they might not actually indicate anything, I'm feeling more like he's scum--he's been gone longer now, and as I said, low-participation Eevee is scum Eevee.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1005 on: May 02, 2017, 11:24:06 am »

Vote: Eevee
How exactly did e's post convince you to this vote in a way that mine did not? And whatever happened to "let's lynch the SK, which Eevee is not"?

Well, now we don't have kkrieg as a lynch option, so Eevee is automatically more appealing. And, for reasons they might not actually indicate anything, I'm feeling more like he's scum--he's been gone longer now, and as I said, low-participation Eevee is scum Eevee.
Would you reconsider TWM?
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1006 on: May 02, 2017, 11:25:47 am »

I can be around for the deadline btw, but not sure how much more I will be able to post tonight. Probably some, but I'm not hyper-active.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1007 on: May 02, 2017, 11:28:52 am »

Vote: Eevee
How exactly did e's post convince you to this vote in a way that mine did not? And whatever happened to "let's lynch the SK, which Eevee is not"?

Well, now we don't have kkrieg as a lynch option, so Eevee is automatically more appealing. And, for reasons they might not actually indicate anything, I'm feeling more like he's scum--he's been gone longer now, and as I said, low-participation Eevee is scum Eevee.
Would you reconsider TWM?

Yes... I just think he stood up to the wagon pretty well, and is not generally behaving like his scum self from previous games. But yes, I would.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1008 on: May 02, 2017, 11:30:47 am »

Maybe I should reread a scum game of his. But that won't happen pre-deadline. Still, SK is different from other scum.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1009 on: May 02, 2017, 11:39:06 am »

Maybe I should reread a scum game of his. But that won't happen pre-deadline. Still, SK is different from other scum.
And again, I say that if I were SK I would be playing this completely differently. I certainly wouldn't have come out after Night 1 basically shouting, "Hey I am solidly town!" Even if that were true, that is pretty much waving a flag and saying, "hey mafia make sure you kill me tonight!" SK doesn't want to do that.

Now, I was wrong about how townie I thought I was, but I honestly felt like I was on the townier side. SK isn't going to draw attention to that for himself.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1010 on: May 02, 2017, 12:46:42 pm »

Oh noo, I've been a bad bad townie. Sorry guys, I haven't been engaged enough with the game lately. Forgetting all my reads too, makes catching up even less fun.

First of all, no counterclaim from me. In the end the outcome with kkrieg seems pretty good for us actually.

@e
I remember thinking mcmc was scummy for saying weird is scummy, sort of seemed he was trying throw stuff at the wall to see what sticks.. and then I forgot. I wasn't there for the mcmc wagon, but I don't know what I would have done.

What do you mean with the second point? I wasn't instructing schadd how to go about suspecting me, I was calling him scummy for potentially trying to be subtle about getting me lynched. What's the scum narrative you are suggesting?
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1011 on: May 02, 2017, 12:47:07 pm »

Kkrieg is confirmed town now, right?
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1012 on: May 02, 2017, 12:49:12 pm »

I don't feel great about lynching Robz (eh, same read than mcmc last night, I don't have a reason to be against this lynch but I've seen no reason to suspect him other than "He is Robz and he is still alive") or faust (although he has been more and more aggressive as the leader (and main scumhunter!), which I guess is reading scummier to me because it could be a disguise for pushing towny lynches). Still would like TWM, but I don't know if that's happening anymore.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1013 on: May 02, 2017, 12:49:49 pm »

What about schadd? The post e quoted made me realize my earlier exchanges with him. I could vote for schadd.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1014 on: May 02, 2017, 01:06:05 pm »

Kkrieg is confirmed town now, right?

I would say so since we don't have counter claims
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1015 on: May 02, 2017, 01:17:23 pm »

Boy does that sound like town Eevee to me. Unvote
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1016 on: May 02, 2017, 01:18:22 pm »

What about schadd? The post e quoted made me realize my earlier exchanges with him. I could vote for schadd.

I would also go schadd, but I tried it earlier and no one supported it.

Vote: TWM, I guess, because that's the best wagon option.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1017 on: May 02, 2017, 01:23:16 pm »

That is L-1. I guess I should say that if I were scum I would have counterclaimed kkrieg. Might still have ended up with me being the lynch, but at least it would have given me a chance of survival for at least the day. As once she claimed it became pretty apparent I was going to be the lynch.

That I didn't should at the least raise some eyebrows, but I don't really expect this to be a reason why people won't vote for me.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1018 on: May 02, 2017, 01:23:42 pm »

The kkrieg wagon at peak:

gkrieg, e, Robz, TWM

kkrieg would have been a good lynch for scum. I would think that mafia is on here somewhere, but all of these players are non-mafia reads for. So probably my reads are off.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1019 on: May 02, 2017, 01:24:30 pm »

That is L-1. I guess I should say that if I were scum I would have counterclaimed kkrieg. Might still have ended up with me being the lynch, but at least it would have given me a chance of survival for at least the day. As once she claimed it became pretty apparent I was going to be the lynch.
As the SK you wouldn't because one day doesn't help you.

But yes, it makes you less likely to be mafia.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1020 on: May 02, 2017, 01:25:05 pm »

That is L-1. I guess I should say that if I were scum I would have counterclaimed kkrieg. Might still have ended up with me being the lynch, but at least it would have given me a chance of survival for at least the day. As once she claimed it became pretty apparent I was going to be the lynch.
As the SK you wouldn't because one day doesn't help you.
Yes. That is a fair point.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1021 on: May 02, 2017, 01:26:54 pm »

Out of Robz/gkrieg/e, Robz is probably the mafia-est.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1022 on: May 02, 2017, 01:31:00 pm »

Out of Robz/gkrieg/e, Robz is probably the mafia-est.
Agreed.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1023 on: May 02, 2017, 01:32:30 pm »

fake hammer etc.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1024 on: May 02, 2017, 01:38:21 pm »

twm, how does this game feel different/similar to nm10?
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