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M98: Русская Mafia (Game over! Town won!)
« on: April 11, 2017, 03:45:27 am »

Welcome to M98: Русская Mafia by LaLight.

This game is for 11 players, and is classified as normal. It was designed by yuma as an open setup. This setup was played previously in M51

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Sign ups are open. Rules to come.


1. Awaclus Lynched D1: VT
2. Robz888
3. The_Wine_Merchant Lynched D2: VT
4. schadd
5. Eevee Lynched D3: Roleblocking Traitor
6. gkrieg13 Killed N3: Town Detective
7. AndrewisFTTW Killed N2: VT
8. 2.71828..... Killed N3: Town Jailkeeper
9. faust Killed N4: Mafia Roleblocker
10. mcmcsalot Killed N1: Mafia Goon
11. kkrieg

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The Rules:

The Golden Rule:
This is a game. Everyone who signs up to play must be considerate of each other, never get personal, and focus on having fun. Once the game starts, having signed up is a commitment: inactivity is just as inconsiderate as rude comments.


The Standard Rules:
1. No communication between players outside of the game thread or shared QTs at any time. This includes passing references, jokes, or cases in other games or threads, whether in context or not.
2. If the game thread is locked, do not post. If you are unsure if something is locked, ask the mod by PM.
3. Direct or verbatim quoting of mod-provided information is strictly forbidden. Paraphrasing is okay.
4. Actions with instructions that do not specify a game state will be resolved in the order they are received.
5. All night actions must be submitted within 24 hours of day ending.
6. Players must post once every 24 hours.
7. Do not edit or delete posts, ever. If you need to clarify or correct something, post again.
8. Invisible text, font size less than 10, and spoiler tags are not allowed.
9. Cryptography is not allowed.
10. The time between a lynch being reached and a flip being provided is called twilight. All players may continue posting during this time, including the lynched player.
11. Dead players may not post in thread or QT. A lynched player is not "dead" until a flip has been provided.
12. Personal multimedia, such as video or audio recordings, are not allowed in the game thread.

The Voting Rules:
1. Votes should be in this format: Vote: Playername. Unambigiuous nicknames are acceptable.
2. Unvotes should be in this format: unvote or Unvote: Playername.
3. Unvotes are not required if changing your vote from one player to another.
4. You may vote: no lynch.
5. Lynches occur when a simple majority (rounded up) of living players is reached. Once reached, a lynch cannot be undone.
6. Lynch rules vary by the number of players alive. With 10 or more players alive, the player with the most votes at the end of the day will be lynched. Ties are broken by coin flip. With nine or less players alive, if a majority lynch is not reached by the deadline, no lynch occurs.

The Rest:
1. Bold, purple text is reserved for the Mod. Players may not use it.
2. If you have an issue or problem with the game, please PM the Mod. Do not post complaints in the game thread.
3. Mods make mistakes - please point them out gently. If they can be corrected, they will. If irreversible, they will stand as final to be commiserated over after the game.
4. If a mod error disadvantages one faction greatly, the game may be called off.
5. Ask all questions and make all requests directly to the Mod via PM. Questions deemed as "universal" (defined as questions for which the answers should be available to all players) will be requested to be re-posted in the Game Thread and answered there.
7. Prods will be issued by request after 24 hours of inactivity. Players are subject to replacement or modkill upon the third prod request.
8. All rule violations will be dealt with according to their severity, as determined by the mod.

Deadlines:
1. Days will last 7 IRL days.
2. Nights will last two IRL days.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2017, 03:45:34 am »

The setup for this game is Traitor8 and was designed by yuma.

Traitor8 is a semi-open setup for 11 players. Setup generation is a randomized process that is open and explained below.

Mafia:
2 Mafia + 1 Roleblocking Traitor

Town:
Up to 8 players

One of the following rows or columns adding a scum add on depending on the row added:


xxxx               Column1         Column2         Column3         Column4         Add-On           
Row1              VT                  Detective         1-shot CommuterGoon Cop         1-shot Investigation Immune/SK
Row2                Watcher            JK                     VT                     Psychologist       2-shot JOAT       
Row3                1-shot Bulletproof Townie VT                     JK                     BodyguardTraitor Knows Mafia         
Row4                 1-shot CommuterPsychologist        Detective            VT                      Mafia Knows Traitor   
Add-On              2-shot JOAT       Mafia Knows Traitor/SKTraitorKnows Mafia/SK1-shot Investigation Immune      xxxxxxx           

To clarify here are the 8 options:

1. Detective, 1-shot Commuter, Goon Cop; 1-shot Investigation Immune + Serial Killer
2. Watcher, Jailkeeper, Psychologist; 2-shot JOAT
3. 1-shot BP Townie, Jailkeeper, Bodyguard; Traitor Knows Mafia
4. 1-shot Commuter, Psychologist, Detective; Mafia Knows Traitor
5. Watcher, 1-shot BP Townie, 1-shot Commuter; 2-shot JOAT
6. Detective, Jailkeeper, Psychologist; Mafia Knows Traitor + Serial Killer
7. 1-shot Commuter, Jailkeeper, Detective; Traitor Knows Mafia + Serial Killer
8. Goon Cop, Psychologist, Bodyguard; 1-shot Investigation Immune


Serial Killer: (if applicable, present 3/8 of the time)
- 2-shot JOAT, which includes a passive 1-shot Bulletproof, 1-shot Strongman, 1-shot Investigation Immune. If the Bulletproof is used up one JOAT attributes will be lost. If both the Strongman or Investigation Immune is used at night the Bulletproof will be lost as well.
- The SK may choose to give up NK and instead perform any one of the 8 town roles listed above during the night. Each role may only be used once by the Sk during the game.


Mechanics:
- All roles will be used according to mafiascum specification unless otherwise noted below.
- Daystart
- Mafia JOAT is an option of Strongman and Ninja (each can only be used once) and is not an assigned role, instead it is universal for the mafia team. But is instead a role that any alive mafia player can use it while performing the night kill.
- Mafia Investigation Immune is universal. It will return results of "Not Goon" to Goon Cops, "Not Killed" to Detectives, "Can't Kill" to Psychologists and "Didn't Target Anyone" to Watchers.
- Traitor does not know the identity of Mafia Partners unless it is added on as a bonus. Traitor will be informed at day start of the Mafia's identities in a PM if that add-on is selected.
- Mafia does not know the identity of the Traitor unless it is added on as a bonus. The Mafia will be informed at day start of the Mafia's identities in their quicktopic if that add-on is selected.
- When the Traitor dies, if at least one Mafia Goon is still alive one will be chosen at random to inherit the Roleblocking role. This Goon will be transformed from a Goon to a Mafia Roleblocker.
- If the Mafia target the Traitor with a NK, the Traitor will not die unless mafia is using a strongman kill. Otherwise, the Traitor will be recruited and become a Mafia Roleblocker and be given access to the quicktopic.
- The Traitor can Roleblock a Mafia NK.
- If the Traitor will inherit the NK and become a Mafia Roleblocker if is the only Mafia player alive.
- Goon Cop will return results of Goon or Not Goon.
- Detective will return results of having killed or not killed.
- Psychologist will return results of being capable of killing or not capable. But if a kill has been performed previously, the result will be falsified. Traitors are not capable of killing until they have been converted into Mafia Roleblockers
- Roles cannot target themselves.
- Flavor will not be indicative of alignment.

Order of Operations: (roles listed earlier in parenthesis will be performed simultaneously)
Modifiers (Ninja/Strongman)
Commuter
Blocking (Jailkeeper, Roleblocking)
Protective (Bodyguard, Bulletproof)
Killing
Investigative (Watcher, Psychologist, Detective, Goon Cop)

Win Conditions:
- Town wins when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.
- Mafia wins when Mafia (not counting the Traitor, unless the traitor has become a Mafia Roleblocker) controls at least half of the Town and the SK, if present, has been eliminated.
- Serial Killer wins when all other players have been eliminated. If a scenario exists where a Serial Killer and a Mafia the following will be followed:
   * If the Traitor is the last mafia alive, Mafia will win.
   * If either original mafia are the last mafia alive, the SK will win.

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Re: M98: Русская Mafia
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2017, 03:47:28 am »

Every player will get the flavor name in russian but it won't be in any way influencing the alignment.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2017, 04:05:55 am »

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Re: M98: Русская Mafia
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2017, 07:27:46 am »

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Re: M98: Русская Mafia
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2017, 07:27:57 am »

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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (signups are open!)
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2017, 08:42:54 am »

Possible /in.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (signups are open!)
« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2017, 08:53:42 am »

/B
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (signups are open!)
« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2017, 09:59:25 am »

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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (signups are open!)
« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2017, 10:50:00 am »

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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (signups are open!)
« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2017, 10:57:02 am »

My nemesis setup eh? 
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (signups are open!)
« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2017, 10:58:55 am »

just before I rolled the setup, does Strongman go through Commuter?
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (signups are open!)
« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2017, 10:59:23 am »

just before I rolled the setup, does Strongman go through Commuter?

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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (signups are open!)
« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2017, 10:59:50 am »

No, right? (Testing myself.)
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (signups are open!)
« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2017, 10:59:57 am »

just before I rolled the setup, does Strongman go through Commuter?

Нет

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« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2017, 11:00:41 am »

just before I rolled the setup, does Strongman go through Commuter?

Нет

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« Reply #16 on: April 11, 2017, 11:02:30 am »

/in
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (4 spots left!)
« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2017, 11:19:41 am »

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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (signups are open!)
« Reply #18 on: April 11, 2017, 12:17:14 pm »

just before I rolled the setup, does Strongman go through Commuter?

I do not think Strongman goes through Commuter, personally.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (3 spots left!)
« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2017, 12:18:58 pm »

no matter how strong u are, u can never kill someone if they're in a different place
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (3 spots left!)
« Reply #20 on: April 11, 2017, 06:29:08 pm »

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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (signups are open!)
« Reply #21 on: April 11, 2017, 10:08:35 pm »

Possible /in.

I'll turn this into a hard /in. But please note my stated VLA if this starts in the next few days.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (3 spots left!)
« Reply #22 on: April 13, 2017, 05:11:30 am »

/in
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (2 spots left!)
« Reply #23 on: April 13, 2017, 05:16:09 am »

/tag

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« Reply #24 on: April 13, 2017, 04:46:52 pm »

/in setup looks great
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (1 spot left!)
« Reply #25 on: April 14, 2017, 01:27:47 am »

I would like to play but since gkrieg is playing, I'll only play if it's ok with everyone.

We obviously wouldn't talk about the game at all outside of the forum.

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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (1 spot left!)
« Reply #26 on: April 14, 2017, 01:48:15 am »

I would like to play but since gkrieg is playing, I'll only play if it's ok with everyone.

We obviously wouldn't talk about the game at all outside of the forum.

If anyone is uncomfortable with me playing I totally understand!

If it comes to me, i am perfectly fine with that
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (1 spot left!)
« Reply #27 on: April 14, 2017, 04:07:45 am »

I would like to play but since gkrieg is playing, I'll only play if it's ok with everyone.

We obviously wouldn't talk about the game at all outside of the forum.

If anyone is uncomfortable with me playing I totally understand!

I don't have any problems with it.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (1 spot left!)
« Reply #28 on: April 14, 2017, 04:37:25 am »

No probs. Also I look forward to playing with you!
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« Reply #29 on: April 14, 2017, 04:41:39 am »

Okay then. I am sending pms starting in 10 minutes. Thread locked except for tags.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (PMs are out! N0)
« Reply #30 on: April 14, 2017, 04:48:56 am »

PMs are out. Also, I realised that some people are VLA for the weekends, so the game will start on Monday, 17th of April, at 5am FT. Confirms your roles in QTs stating them till then, please.
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« Reply #31 on: April 15, 2017, 08:58:53 pm »

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« Reply #32 on: April 17, 2017, 05:22:35 am »

Обычная русская деревня в Сибири. 12 семей, живущих здесь поколениями. Сотни лет все шло хорошо, пока однажды не прошел слух, что где-то рядом закопано золото... Кто-то решил откопать его и поделиться со всеми, но были и те, что договорились забрать все себе...

Common russian Siberian village. 12 families living in peace for generations. Hundreads of years everything went pretty normal, until one day, when some of villagers discovered gold, mined in the groung nearby. There were some who decided to split the gold evenly, but there were some who decided to cooperate and acquire more gold than others...

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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #33 on: April 17, 2017, 05:35:11 am »

First!
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #34 on: April 17, 2017, 05:44:40 am »

Welcome welcome welcome!

There was something about this setup that should be talked about.

I remember now. The theory of claiming.

There are 4 roles in the roster that are unique:

Goon Cop
Watcher
1-shot Bulletproof
Bodyguard

Any claim of one of them limits the set of possible setups to 2, and for any of our PRs, to 1 (i.e. they know the setup exactly). On the flip side, it also lets the mafia know the exact setup.

Now Goon Cop and Watcher are awful claims of course. But 1-shot BP and Bodyguard may actually be beneficial - Bodyguard is not hurt a lot by a claim, and 1-shot BP givesus essentially a 1-shot BP IC. Fakeclaiming these roles should is impossible without counterclaim.

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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #35 on: April 17, 2017, 06:21:53 am »

Makes sense to me. A named townie is arguably stronger than bodyguards actual effect. 1-shot bulletproof is less clear.

Is it a big downside to have mafia know the actual setup? They usually find out before us via the flips anyways.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #36 on: April 17, 2017, 07:54:27 am »

Oh, one other thing: Bodyguard/1-shot BP can appear in the same setup; in that case, we probably (?) do not want both to claim.

So if we decide on claims, we should probably first all claim Bodyguard/non-Bodyguard and if there was no positive, continue with BP (or vice versa).

On the other hand, a coordinated procedure may be bad for us if there's no claim, because that would let mafia know the full setup while we may be none the wiser, so there's a risk.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #37 on: April 17, 2017, 08:00:18 am »

Maybe easier to wait like two days, and have the 1-shot BP claim then (if they feel that's the play to make)? To not have it completely dominate the discussion early.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #38 on: April 17, 2017, 08:56:58 am »

vote: awaclus
vote: robz
vote: twm
vote: eevee
vote: andrew
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vote: kkrieg

to level the playing field. and the last person on the playerlist is probably whomst i'd rvs anyway so that's nice.

bodyguard is nonzero town utility. bp probably wouldn't get nightkilled if they claimed.

because scum will almost certainly notice, and would likely nk you anyway:
we probably (?) do not want both to claim.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #39 on: April 17, 2017, 08:58:58 am »

if i ruined some sort of elaborate breadcrumb wifom then i'm not sorry
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #40 on: April 17, 2017, 08:59:33 am »

and obv. feel free to not say anything about it
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #41 on: April 17, 2017, 09:01:32 am »

Welcome welcome welcome!

There was something about this setup that should be talked about.

I remember now. The theory of claiming.

There are 4 roles in the roster that are unique:

Goon Cop
Watcher
1-shot Bulletproof
Bodyguard

Any claim of one of them limits the set of possible setups to 2, and for any of our PRs, to 1 (i.e. they know the setup exactly). On the flip side, it also lets the mafia know the exact setup.

Now Goon Cop and Watcher are awful claims of course. But 1-shot BP and Bodyguard may actually be beneficial - Bodyguard is not hurt a lot by a claim, and 1-shot BP givesus essentially a 1-shot BP IC. Fakeclaiming these roles should is impossible without counterclaim.

Opinions?

You know what, I don't hate this plan, particularly starting with all of us claiming Bodyguard / not Bodyguard. Let's discuss a bit more, but I'm favorably inclined for us to do that.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #42 on: April 17, 2017, 09:01:55 am »

vote: robz
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #43 on: April 17, 2017, 09:02:08 am »

And yes, named townie seems much stronger than Bodyguard.
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« Reply #44 on: April 17, 2017, 09:02:43 am »

robz what is your favorite color?
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« Reply #45 on: April 17, 2017, 09:04:24 am »

robz what is your favorite color?

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« Reply #46 on: April 17, 2017, 09:05:16 am »

vote stays, sorry. even though that is also my favorite color (buddying?)
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« Reply #47 on: April 17, 2017, 09:08:25 am »

And yes, named townie seems much stronger than Bodyguard.
is this backwards?
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« Reply #48 on: April 17, 2017, 09:12:50 am »

And yes, named townie seems much stronger than Bodyguard.
is this backwards?

No. Bodyguard is lame.

Cool we have the same favorite color, though.
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« Reply #49 on: April 17, 2017, 09:13:40 am »

whether it's cool depends on your alignment this game. leaning towards not cool
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« Reply #50 on: April 17, 2017, 09:19:40 am »


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                                                                                                           u should be townreading me by now
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« Reply #51 on: April 17, 2017, 09:27:10 am »

whether it's cool depends on your alignment this game. leaning towards not cool

False, it's cool anyway.
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« Reply #52 on: April 17, 2017, 09:27:58 am »

i hope that's a joke
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #53 on: April 17, 2017, 09:38:18 am »

u should be townreading me by now
Have you ever been scum here? I don't recall.
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« Reply #54 on: April 17, 2017, 09:39:39 am »

Maybe easier to wait like two days, and have the 1-shot BP claim then (if they feel that's the play to make)? To not have it completely dominate the discussion early.
What's the problem with that? Would you rather have RVS?
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« Reply #55 on: April 17, 2017, 09:44:37 am »

u should be townreading me by now
Have you ever been scum here? I don't recall.
twice; M87 (you weren't in it) and RMM37 (u were mod)
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« Reply #56 on: April 17, 2017, 09:44:56 am »

Maybe easier to wait like two days, and have the 1-shot BP claim then (if they feel that's the play to make)? To not have it completely dominate the discussion early.
What's the problem with that? Would you rather have RVS?
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #57 on: April 17, 2017, 09:47:51 am »

being a bodyguard is lame.  I completely agree with converting them to IC.

whoever is the bodyguard (if we have one) should claim.
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« Reply #58 on: April 17, 2017, 09:53:11 am »

every time you talk about the setup before d2 a penguin dies
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« Reply #59 on: April 17, 2017, 09:54:20 am »

The penguin was scum, anyway.
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« Reply #60 on: April 17, 2017, 09:54:36 am »

every time you talk about the setup before d2 a penguin dies

The setup is the primary reason I joined this game.  I love this setup.  modded it twice but never played it, figured I would give it a shot
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« Reply #61 on: April 17, 2017, 09:55:28 am »

let's hope u survive d1 then
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« Reply #62 on: April 17, 2017, 09:55:43 am »

So I'm coming off two games where I townread Andrew hard, and we was scum both times, and we (town) lost because of it. So don't look to me for a reliable opinion on Andrew.
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« Reply #63 on: April 17, 2017, 09:56:47 am »

i'm still pissed that you said he was easy to read
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« Reply #64 on: April 17, 2017, 09:59:24 am »

Me too.
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« Reply #65 on: April 17, 2017, 10:14:05 am »

I like the claiming idea, and think it should also include 1-shot commuter. Their role is useless until they claim really.

Also, vote: Andrew. That guy really is always scum.
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« Reply #66 on: April 17, 2017, 10:19:04 am »

Hey everyone! I agree I like the bodyguard claiming and being an ic over being a useless bodyguard. Reading the setup though a bodyguard claim lets mafia know 100% the setup. A bodyguard is only present in two scenarios and in one of those mafia has a power.

Though I'm not sure if it's a problem if mafia know what the setup is. I feel like this setup is more solevable than most from one or two roles so I don't think mafia can really fake claim.
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« Reply #67 on: April 17, 2017, 10:20:58 am »

So I'm coming off two games where I townread Andrew hard, and we was scum both times, and we (town) lost because of it. So don't look to me for a reliable opinion on Andrew.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #68 on: April 17, 2017, 10:21:24 am »

I like the claiming idea, and think it should also include 1-shot commuter. Their role is useless until they claim really.

Also, vote: Andrew. That guy really is always scum.

Can't a one-shot commuter lay low/possibly use their commute if they might be nightkilled and claim later with some I have/haven't used my commute wifom for a late day ic/nk prevention.

Bodyguard on be otherhand just dies instead of someone else.
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« Reply #69 on: April 17, 2017, 10:24:04 am »

Maybe easier to wait like two days, and have the 1-shot BP claim then (if they feel that's the play to make)? To not have it completely dominate the discussion early.
What's the problem with that? Would you rather have RVS?
Can I have c), none of the above?
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« Reply #70 on: April 17, 2017, 10:33:53 am »

Maybe easier to wait like two days, and have the 1-shot BP claim then (if they feel that's the play to make)? To not have it completely dominate the discussion early.
What's the problem with that? Would you rather have RVS?
Can I have c), none of the above?
Uh, that sounds harsher than I intended. I just think we get the information organically once everyone has posted, not like I vehemently oppose people claiming that way too.

I agree with mcmc's thinking about the 1-shot commuter.
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« Reply #71 on: April 17, 2017, 10:48:42 am »

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« Reply #73 on: April 17, 2017, 10:53:27 am »

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« Reply #74 on: April 17, 2017, 11:03:26 am »

Andrew said he wasn't going to sign up for any games with me in them, but he signed up for this anyway. That means he's lying SCUM.

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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #75 on: April 17, 2017, 11:07:32 am »

Plan sounds ok. I would stick with the BG/1-shot and not include the commuter
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« Reply #76 on: April 17, 2017, 11:12:17 am »

awaclus is maybe lockscum but robz is a more interesting vote atm
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #77 on: April 17, 2017, 11:12:36 am »

As far as the Bodyguard issue is concerned, I think it's fine to do it either way. I remember I played some (other?) setup as scum where we had to decide between doing something better or doing something worse but playing around Bodyguard, so it's bretty good to have it be a possibility that we have a hidden Bodyguard that scum knows nothing about. On the other hand, the IC might be better than actually having the Bodyguard. So actually what I'd suggest is that we leave it up to the Bodyguard themselves to decide whether or not they want to claim if we have one, just so we can possibly have an IC but if we don't have a Bodyguard, scum doesn't instantly know that.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #78 on: April 17, 2017, 11:19:58 am »

As far as the Bodyguard issue is concerned, I think it's fine to do it either way. I remember I played some (other?) setup as scum where we had to decide between doing something better or doing something worse but playing around Bodyguard, so it's bretty good to have it be a possibility that we have a hidden Bodyguard that scum knows nothing about. On the other hand, the IC might be better than actually having the Bodyguard. So actually what I'd suggest is that we leave it up to the Bodyguard themselves to decide whether or not they want to claim if we have one, just so we can possibly have an IC but if we don't have a Bodyguard, scum doesn't instantly know that.
I kinda like this idea.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #79 on: April 17, 2017, 11:25:49 am »

Well it's always up to the Bodyguard themselves...
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« Reply #80 on: April 17, 2017, 12:36:51 pm »

Well it's always up to the Bodyguard themselves...

So true.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #81 on: April 17, 2017, 12:37:24 pm »

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« Reply #82 on: April 17, 2017, 12:46:23 pm »

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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #83 on: April 17, 2017, 01:23:13 pm »

Well it's always up to the Bodyguard themselves...

But what I mean is that we shouldn't collectively decide that the Bodyguard should claim.
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« Reply #84 on: April 17, 2017, 01:32:41 pm »

Well it's always up to the Bodyguard themselves...

But what I mean is that we shouldn't collectively decide that the Bodyguard should claim.
Okay, but how do we decide on Bodyguard vs 1-shot BP claiming?
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« Reply #85 on: April 17, 2017, 01:44:29 pm »

I personally think a 1-shot BP should not claim. We want scum to actually shoot at a 1-shot BP--that's the best use of the PR, and it doesn't happen if a 1-shot BP claims, yes?
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« Reply #86 on: April 17, 2017, 02:11:02 pm »

I personally think a 1-shot BP should not claim. We want scum to actually shoot at a 1-shot BP--that's the best use of the PR, and it doesn't happen if a 1-shot BP claims, yes?

I agree with this.
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« Reply #87 on: April 17, 2017, 02:12:34 pm »

Oh there's a plan? Cool yeah do that. Let's lynch teh scum.

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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #88 on: April 17, 2017, 02:36:38 pm »

I personally think a 1-shot BP should not claim. We want scum to actually shoot at a 1-shot BP--that's the best use of the PR, and it doesn't happen if a 1-shot BP claims, yes?
Having an unkillable IC is pretty sweet though.
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« Reply #89 on: April 17, 2017, 02:38:23 pm »

I personally think a 1-shot BP should not claim. We want scum to actually shoot at a 1-shot BP--that's the best use of the PR, and it doesn't happen if a 1-shot BP claims, yes?
Having an unkillable IC is pretty sweet though.
In theory we could have both as long as we don't accidentally lynch the 1-shot BP. So maybe we shouldn't have any unannounced hammers or last minute lynches?
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #90 on: April 17, 2017, 03:20:26 pm »

in theory it might be useful to be like "i'm BP. sheep me"
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« Reply #91 on: April 17, 2017, 03:31:52 pm »

I personally think a 1-shot BP should not claim. We want scum to actually shoot at a 1-shot BP--that's the best use of the PR, and it doesn't happen if a 1-shot BP claims, yes?
Having an unkillable IC is pretty sweet though.
In theory we could have both as long as we don't accidentally lynch the 1-shot BP. So maybe we shouldn't have any unannounced hammers or last minute lynches?
1. Preventing hammers and last minute lynches has never worked.
2. The 1-shot BP is only an IC as long as it does not make sense for scum to fakeclaim. Which it doesn't now, but may close to LyLo. And in this setup, LyLo can be D2.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (PMs are out! N0)
« Reply #92 on: April 17, 2017, 04:20:06 pm »

Vote count 1.1

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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #93 on: April 17, 2017, 05:14:35 pm »

in theory it might be useful to be like "i'm BP. sheep me"

I don't like this theory.
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« Reply #94 on: April 17, 2017, 05:30:07 pm »

:c


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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #95 on: April 17, 2017, 06:58:31 pm »

Kkrieg is gkrieg's wife, correct? Hi, kkrieg! Mcmcsalot and I are brothers, FWIW.
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« Reply #96 on: April 17, 2017, 08:05:35 pm »

Kkrieg is gkrieg's wife, correct? Hi, kkrieg! Mcmcsalot and I are brothers, FWIW.

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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #97 on: April 17, 2017, 09:35:12 pm »

oh unfortunately there wasn't an SK last game so they didn't get to see my plan in action. if you are an SK it benefits you to claim in this setup
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #98 on: April 17, 2017, 11:07:14 pm »

Hi everyone!

Just a heads up -
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What's a role blocking traitor?


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« Reply #99 on: April 17, 2017, 11:08:03 pm »

Kkrieg is gkrieg's wife, correct? Hi, kkrieg! Mcmcsalot and I are brothers, FWIW.
Hi! And thanks for the info:)
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« Reply #100 on: April 17, 2017, 11:12:06 pm »

Hi everyone!

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What's a role blocking traitor?

A roleblocking traitor is 2 things:

1) the roleblocking part.  Each night they choose a target (Let's say Bob), any action that Bob takes won't happen (so if he doctors someone, it won't work).  This doesn't apply to 1-shot bulletproof (if Bob is 1-shot bp and scum shoots him at night and he is roleblocked, he will still be alive in the morning) or 1-shot commuter (they still run away and are untargetable by anyone).

2) the traitor part.  They are part of the mafia team, but they don't share a QT with the mafia.  And (unless we are playing a setup where this isn't the case) they don't know who the rest of the mafia team is, and the mafia team doesn't know who they are.

This also means that the traitor can't perform a night kill.

The traitor is recruited (joins the mafia team in full) if they are shot by the mafia at night, or if both of the other mafia are dead.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #101 on: April 17, 2017, 11:19:37 pm »

wowee get a room
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #102 on: April 17, 2017, 11:20:31 pm »

wowee get a room

Ironically that is like specifically what we are trying to avoid!
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #103 on: April 17, 2017, 11:21:38 pm »

yeah


i'm still saying that every time one of you quotes the other


you maybe towntold (?)
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« Reply #104 on: April 17, 2017, 11:22:54 pm »

wowee get a room
No you get a room
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« Reply #105 on: April 17, 2017, 11:23:16 pm »

yeah


i'm still saying that every time one of you quotes the other


you maybe towntold (?)
I'll say that every time you say that
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #107 on: April 17, 2017, 11:26:32 pm »

for posterity: my current avatar is a little house thingo


i might change it before this game is over, this one is getting a little tired.


maybe my ms avatar?
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« Reply #108 on: April 17, 2017, 11:29:29 pm »

Hi everyone!

Just a heads up -
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What's a role blocking traitor?

Also, I feel like you should have more questions (upside down emoji)
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« Reply #109 on: April 17, 2017, 11:32:22 pm »

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« Reply #110 on: April 17, 2017, 11:35:19 pm »

for posterity: my current avatar is a little house thingo


i might change it before this game is over, this one is getting a little tired.


maybe my ms avatar?


I would vote against this avatar
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« Reply #111 on: April 17, 2017, 11:37:24 pm »

maybe i'll make another h*cking poll
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« Reply #112 on: April 17, 2017, 11:40:11 pm »

As long as it is a discrete discreet diss Crete poll
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« Reply #113 on: April 17, 2017, 11:44:07 pm »

what is ur alignment
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« Reply #114 on: April 17, 2017, 11:52:49 pm »

what is ur alignment

Uh, the towniest town that ever towned. What about you?
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« Reply #115 on: April 17, 2017, 11:54:50 pm »

i think the only thing i want to claim rn is not SK
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« Reply #116 on: April 17, 2017, 11:57:12 pm »

what is ur alignment

Maf- Town! Town! Definitely town!
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« Reply #117 on: April 17, 2017, 11:57:29 pm »

U?
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« Reply #118 on: April 18, 2017, 12:01:33 am »

i think the only thing i want to claim rn is not SK
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #119 on: April 18, 2017, 12:06:06 am »

I mean I'm fine with a possible SK claiming, but why?
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« Reply #120 on: April 18, 2017, 12:06:43 am »

i'll explain after
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #121 on: April 18, 2017, 01:00:04 am »

guys i promise that if you all keep posting, i will be able to solve you and you will all become solved. try to keep it more than like 100/day for all of d1
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« Reply #122 on: April 18, 2017, 02:58:19 am »

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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #123 on: April 18, 2017, 03:22:56 am »

What's a role blocking traitor?

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« Reply #124 on: April 18, 2017, 03:23:33 am »

I really want gkrieg and kkrieg to pull off a quickhammer together just so that we can call it blitzkrieg.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #125 on: April 18, 2017, 03:24:07 am »

ha
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #126 on: April 18, 2017, 03:24:35 am »

only one of them is scum though
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #127 on: April 18, 2017, 03:26:29 am »

only one of them is scum though
At most or exactly?
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« Reply #128 on: April 18, 2017, 03:27:25 am »

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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #129 on: April 18, 2017, 07:15:50 am »

schadd is doing that thing that I was townreading him for in that one game where he was town, then I scumread him in another game for not doing it and he still was town. I am mildly confused as to what that means.
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« Reply #130 on: April 18, 2017, 07:50:47 am »

the thing about those is you have to think about whether it makes sense to be alignment indicative and whether there might be natural reasons i might decide not to do it. one might not be led to believe so but i've been trying to thin my arsenal of tells
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« Reply #131 on: April 18, 2017, 08:07:01 am »

the thing about those is you have to think about whether it makes sense to be alignment indicative and whether there might be natural reasons i might decide not to do it. one might not be led to believe so but i've been trying to thin my arsenal of tells
well, scum always has a motive for appearing towny and doing things that win town-cred, which is of course why this is hard.
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« Reply #132 on: April 18, 2017, 08:17:50 am »

the idea is that scum doesn't know what he's looking for. although i'm town and i do l0l
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« Reply #133 on: April 18, 2017, 08:24:02 am »

schadd is doing that thing that I was townreading him for in that one game where he was town, then I scumread him in another game for not doing it and he still was town. I am mildly confused as to what that means.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #134 on: April 18, 2017, 10:09:32 am »

What's a role blocking traitor?

Are you aware that such questions can be asked in your personal QT?

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« Reply #135 on: April 18, 2017, 10:16:35 am »

Just caught up, whole lot of completely empty posts from schadd, which I don't think is scum indicative but boy is it annoying.
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« Reply #136 on: April 18, 2017, 10:59:29 am »

What's a role blocking traitor?

Are you aware that such questions can be asked in your personal QT?

Yea - but I know gkrieg just loves answering game questions
You probably shouldn't ask too many questions about Traitors if you want to stay on his good side... ;)

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« Reply #137 on: April 18, 2017, 11:08:30 am »

What's a role blocking traitor?

Are you aware that such questions can be asked in your personal QT?

Yea - but I know gkrieg just loves answering game questions
You probably shouldn't ask too many questions about Traitors if you want to stay on his good side... ;)

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« Reply #138 on: April 18, 2017, 11:20:47 am »

Do we have to lynch faust now?
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #139 on: April 18, 2017, 11:36:00 am »

the thing about those is you have to think about whether it makes sense to be alignment indicative and whether there might be natural reasons i might decide not to do it. one might not be led to believe so but i've been trying to thin my arsenal of tells

That is very anti-town of you.
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« Reply #140 on: April 18, 2017, 11:43:09 am »

Just caught up, whole lot of completely empty posts from schadd, which I don't think is scum indicative but boy is it annoying.
ok is this just an homage to last game?
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« Reply #141 on: April 18, 2017, 11:43:28 am »

er, last game in this setup
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« Reply #142 on: April 18, 2017, 11:53:19 am »

You probably shouldn't ask too many questions about Traitors if you want to stay on his good side... ;)

Traitors is a good band though.
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« Reply #143 on: April 18, 2017, 01:33:36 pm »

Do we have to lynch faust now?

Awaclus is better.
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« Reply #144 on: April 18, 2017, 02:47:09 pm »

Do we have to lynch faust now?

Awaclus is better.

You are not very talkative these days.
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« Reply #145 on: April 18, 2017, 02:51:19 pm »

Do we have to lynch faust now?

Awaclus is better.

You are not very talkative these days.

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« Reply #146 on: April 18, 2017, 04:40:45 pm »

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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #148 on: April 18, 2017, 04:55:36 pm »

Well, D1 how I love thee. Not really.

Has everyone had the chance to claim yet? If so, probably don't have a bodyguard, which is unfortunate because ICs are great things to have
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« Reply #149 on: April 18, 2017, 04:57:33 pm »

Do we have to lynch faust now?

Yes.

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« Reply #150 on: April 18, 2017, 04:58:13 pm »

Well, D1 how I love thee. Not really.

Has everyone had the chance to claim yet? If so, probably don't have a bodyguard, which is unfortunate because ICs are great things to have
They are great. I think you would make a great IC. Double great.
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« Reply #151 on: April 18, 2017, 05:00:35 pm »

I am not a Bodyguard.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #152 on: April 18, 2017, 08:43:19 pm »

TWM, why do you want to lynch awaclus?
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« Reply #153 on: April 18, 2017, 08:45:19 pm »

TWM, why do you want to lynch awaclus?
I saw that faust was voting him. I went to look at what potential reasons faust might be voting for Awaclus and agreed with what I think the reasons are.

If you are curious, I would encourage you to go look and see if you can see what potential reasons we are voting Awaclus for and, if you agree, join us in our vote.
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« Reply #154 on: April 18, 2017, 08:56:12 pm »

TWM, why do you want to lynch awaclus?
I saw that faust was voting him. I went to look at what potential reasons faust might be voting for Awaclus and agreed with what I think the reasons are.

If you are curious, I would encourage you to go look and see if you can see what potential reasons we are voting Awaclus for and, if you agree, join us in our vote.

This is all I see
Vote: Awaclus
vote: awaclus
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« Reply #155 on: April 18, 2017, 08:58:32 pm »

TWM, why do you want to lynch awaclus?
I saw that faust was voting him. I went to look at what potential reasons faust might be voting for Awaclus and agreed with what I think the reasons are.

If you are curious, I would encourage you to go look and see if you can see what potential reasons we are voting Awaclus for and, if you agree, join us in our vote.

This is all I see
Vote: Awaclus
vote: awaclus
go look and see if you can see what potential reasons we are voting Awaclus

as in, go look and see what Awaclus may or may not have posted to make us vote that way.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #156 on: April 18, 2017, 08:59:25 pm »

Not a lot to add right now, but I'm not a bodyguard
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #157 on: April 18, 2017, 09:06:15 pm »

I never actually read this setup, but it is very highly variable.
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« Reply #158 on: April 18, 2017, 09:37:39 pm »

I think TWM is assuming a lot thinking he knows exactly why faust is voting the way he is
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« Reply #159 on: April 18, 2017, 09:43:33 pm »

I think TWM is assuming a lot thinking he knows exactly why faust is voting the way he is
Probably. But in reality I am voting for awaclus for my own reasons. I just happen to think faust thought the same thing. I could be wrong about that. I am just telling mcmcsalot how I got there.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #160 on: April 18, 2017, 09:56:08 pm »

vote: faust
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« Reply #161 on: April 19, 2017, 05:55:36 am »

Vote Count 1.2

Robz888 (1): schadd
AndrewisFTTW (1): Awaclus
Awaclus (2): faust, The_Wine_Merchant
faust (2): AndrewisFTTW, gkrieg13
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« Reply #162 on: April 19, 2017, 08:07:57 am »

I thought we agreed that claiming not-Bodyguard is kinda bad.
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« Reply #163 on: April 19, 2017, 08:47:09 am »

I think TWM is assuming a lot thinking he knows exactly why faust is voting the way he is
Probably. But in reality I am voting for awaclus for my own reasons. I just happen to think faust thought the same thing. I could be wrong about that. I am just telling mcmcsalot how I got there.

I've read and I can't figure out what these reasons are for either of you. How you think you know you have the same reasons is crazy.

I also thought we weren't claiming non bodyguard, 2.7 was just saying we probably don't have one since no one has claimed and robz took that to mean he should affirm that he is not the bodyguard. Kk then followed suit. All in all a pretty normal thing for those people to do.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #164 on: April 19, 2017, 09:33:59 am »

I think TWM is assuming a lot thinking he knows exactly why faust is voting the way he is
Probably. But in reality I am voting for awaclus for my own reasons. I just happen to think faust thought the same thing. I could be wrong about that. I am just telling mcmcsalot how I got there.

I've read and I can't figure out what these reasons are for either of you. How you think you know you have the same reasons is crazy.

I also thought we weren't claiming non bodyguard, 2.7 was just saying we probably don't have one since no one has claimed and robz took that to mean he should affirm that he is not the bodyguard. Kk then followed suit. All in all a pretty normal thing for those people to do.
Same, no idea what those reasons are. I read the initial Awaclus-vote as at least close to RVS.
Tell us the reasons!
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #165 on: April 19, 2017, 10:39:54 am »

I also thought we weren't claiming non bodyguard, 2.7 was just saying we probably don't have one since no one has claimed and robz took that to mean he should affirm that he is not the bodyguard. Kk then followed suit. All in all a pretty normal thing for those people to do.
Not saying it is un-normal, but it is kinda bad.

TWMs feelings about Awaclus seem to come from a townie place, as does his immediate sheeping of my vote.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #166 on: April 19, 2017, 10:40:48 am »

Tell us the reasons!
Awaclus made a scummy joke IIRC.
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« Reply #167 on: April 19, 2017, 10:42:46 am »

Andrew said he wasn't going to sign up for any games with me in them, but he signed up for this anyway. That means he's lying SCUM.

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Ah yes, look here. Besides being pointless RVS at a post-RVS stage, it also reads like emotional manipulation because it refers to some conflict between Andrew and Awaclus that need not have been brought up.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #168 on: April 19, 2017, 10:50:59 am »

I've always thought that votes with a tangible reason (like that!) are so much better than just pure RVS'ing it up. Sure, early game votes are always going to be mostly PoE and not very certain, but why not try?

I approve, although creating pointless conflict where you yourself are one of the parties doesn't jive with what I'd expect scum to want.

TWM, same reasons for you?
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« Reply #169 on: April 19, 2017, 11:07:46 am »

I think TWM is assuming a lot thinking he knows exactly why faust is voting the way he is
Probably. But in reality I am voting for awaclus for my own reasons. I just happen to think faust thought the same thing. I could be wrong about that. I am just telling mcmcsalot how I got there.

I've read and I can't figure out what these reasons are for either of you. How you think you know you have the same reasons is crazy.

I also thought we weren't claiming non bodyguard, 2.7 was just saying we probably don't have one since no one has claimed and robz took that to mean he should affirm that he is not the bodyguard. Kk then followed suit. All in all a pretty normal thing for those people to do.
Same, no idea what those reasons are. I read the initial Awaclus-vote as at least close to RVS.
Tell us the reasons!
I would rather not.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #170 on: April 19, 2017, 11:08:32 am »

TWM, same reasons for you?
I guess I will say my reasons are different than faust's now that he has stated them.
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« Reply #171 on: April 19, 2017, 11:29:30 am »

Andrew said he wasn't going to sign up for any games with me in them, but he signed up for this anyway. That means he's lying SCUM.

Vote: Andrew
Ah yes, look here. Besides being pointless RVS at a post-RVS stage, it also reads like emotional manipulation because it refers to some conflict between Andrew and Awaclus that need not have been brought up.

There has been no conflict between me and Andrew, he just made a single joke about it in Fibonacci Mafia where I didn't play. So then I made a joke about that joke. And now it's funny because I have explained it.
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« Reply #172 on: April 19, 2017, 11:40:38 am »

TWM, same reasons for you?
I guess I will say my reasons are different than faust's now that he has stated them.

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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #173 on: April 19, 2017, 11:43:19 am »

This feels like it is reaching from faust on Awaclus.
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« Reply #174 on: April 19, 2017, 11:59:40 am »

I cannot follow any of the conversation here. I don't see why people are voting Awaclus, and I don't see what TWM was getting at.
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« Reply #175 on: April 19, 2017, 12:14:22 pm »

I cannot follow any of the conversation here. I don't see why people are voting Awaclus, and I don't see what TWM was getting at.

Have you tried reading every other post backwards?  That usually helps me.
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« Reply #176 on: April 19, 2017, 12:32:08 pm »

TWM, same reasons for you?
I guess I will say my reasons are different than faust's now that he has stated them.

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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #177 on: April 19, 2017, 12:37:06 pm »

mcmc, do you think i think you're town or scum?


will ask again later
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« Reply #178 on: April 19, 2017, 12:56:42 pm »

Andrew said he wasn't going to sign up for any games with me in them, but he signed up for this anyway. That means he's lying SCUM.

Vote: Andrew
Ah yes, look here. Besides being pointless RVS at a post-RVS stage, it also reads like emotional manipulation because it refers to some conflict between Andrew and Awaclus that need not have been brought up.

There has been no conflict between me and Andrew, he just made a single joke about it in Fibonacci Mafia where I didn't play. So then I made a joke about that joke. And now it's funny because I have explained it.
And this is still where you want your vote to be?
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« Reply #179 on: April 19, 2017, 01:09:13 pm »

Andrew said he wasn't going to sign up for any games with me in them, but he signed up for this anyway. That means he's lying SCUM.

Vote: Andrew
Ah yes, look here. Besides being pointless RVS at a post-RVS stage, it also reads like emotional manipulation because it refers to some conflict between Andrew and Awaclus that need not have been brought up.

There has been no conflict between me and Andrew, he just made a single joke about it in Fibonacci Mafia where I didn't play. So then I made a joke about that joke. And now it's funny because I have explained it.
And this is still where you want your vote to be?

Pretty much.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #180 on: April 19, 2017, 01:09:18 pm »

mcmc, do you think i think you're town or scum?


will ask again later

Why are you being so strange?
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« Reply #181 on: April 19, 2017, 01:15:18 pm »

mcmc, do you think i think you're town or scum?


will ask again later

Why are you being so strange?
that's not an answerable question
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« Reply #182 on: April 19, 2017, 01:17:32 pm »

One of these games, weird schadd acting like weird schadd is going to be a scumtell.
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« Reply #183 on: April 19, 2017, 01:19:05 pm »

not how tells work
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« Reply #184 on: April 19, 2017, 01:22:48 pm »

This feels like it is reaching from faust on Awaclus.

I agree. Keeping my vote on faust for now.
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« Reply #185 on: April 19, 2017, 02:28:40 pm »

Have fairly limited access from now to the end of day 1. I will be checking in and posting when I can, but won't be able to be very active unfortunately.

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« Reply #186 on: April 19, 2017, 02:44:36 pm »

This feels like it is reaching from faust on Awaclus.

I agree. Keeping my vote on faust for now.
I feel like I have to ask now: What does this even mean?
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« Reply #187 on: April 19, 2017, 03:06:27 pm »

mcmc, do you think i think you're town or scum?


will ask again later

I think you think I'm town.
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« Reply #188 on: April 19, 2017, 03:12:32 pm »

porquois?
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« Reply #189 on: April 19, 2017, 03:13:49 pm »

This feels like it is reaching from faust on Awaclus.

I agree. Keeping my vote on faust for now.
I feel like I have to ask now: What does this even mean?

I don't see what you don't get. Gkriegs thinks you finding awaclus scummy for his joke about andrew is reaching. Andrew agrees with gkriegs and is going to keep his vote on you.

I think it's an okay theory about why scum!awaclus would make that joke post but I see why gkriegs thinks your reaching. It's an early theory though so they are kinda all reaching. I also hink it's scummy that awaclus is leaving his vote on andrew after explaining that it was a single joke post, but I don't see the harm in his vote being here so I would t expect him to unvote either.

Basically a lot of null/early game stuff going on as opposed to mind reading twm who thought you thought the same thing he did about awaclus and voted for him and now won't say what his reasons which he thought were your reasons are/were. He's scummy.
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« Reply #190 on: April 19, 2017, 03:15:18 pm »

porquois?

It's unlikely you think many people are scum this early in the game and I don't see why you would ask me that if you did think I was scum.

What do you think I think you are?
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« Reply #191 on: April 19, 2017, 03:17:15 pm »

one of {not enough information, decline to answer}
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« Reply #192 on: April 19, 2017, 03:20:51 pm »

I cannot follow any of the conversation here. I don't see why people are voting Awaclus, and I don't see what TWM was getting at.
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« Reply #193 on: April 19, 2017, 03:22:26 pm »

I cannot follow any of the conversation here. I don't see why people are voting Awaclus, and I don't see what TWM was getting at.
I like how Robz sounds like the grumpy old guy of f.ds mafia. Is it time to call you Bobz already?
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« Reply #194 on: April 19, 2017, 03:48:20 pm »

This feels like it is reaching from faust on Awaclus.

I agree. Keeping my vote on faust for now.
I feel like I have to ask now: What does this even mean?

I don't see what you don't get. Gkriegs thinks you finding awaclus scummy for his joke about andrew is reaching. Andrew agrees with gkriegs and is going to keep his vote on you.

I think it's an okay theory about why scum!awaclus would make that joke post but I see why gkriegs thinks your reaching. It's an early theory though so they are kinda all reaching. I also hink it's scummy that awaclus is leaving his vote on andrew after explaining that it was a single joke post, but I don't see the harm in his vote being here so I would t expect him to unvote either.

Basically a lot of null/early game stuff going on as opposed to mind reading twm who thought you thought the same thing he did about awaclus and voted for him and now won't say what his reasons which he thought were your reasons are/were. He's scummy.
I don't think it's fair to blame faust for reaching when that was so early in the game and there wasn't really much anything to go on yet.

I've never really understood not sharing your full reads or reasons to vote. Does town need to be deceptive? In the big picture, scum likes people guessing and the situation murky.
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« Reply #195 on: April 19, 2017, 03:50:06 pm »

I've never really understood not sharing your full reads or reasons to vote. Does town need to be deceptive? In the big picture, scum likes people guessing and the situation murky.

In general I agree. But small picture, there are times. And in my opinion this is one of them. I am sure I'll explain at some point if people want me to and I feel it is an appropriate time.
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« Reply #196 on: April 19, 2017, 03:51:58 pm »

I cannot follow any of the conversation here. I don't see why people are voting Awaclus, and I don't see what TWM was getting at.
I like how Robz sounds like the grumpy old guy of f.ds mafia. Is it time to call you Bobz already?
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« Reply #197 on: April 19, 2017, 03:56:30 pm »

I've never really understood not sharing your full reads or reasons to vote. Does town need to be deceptive? In the big picture, scum likes people guessing and the situation murky.

In general I agree. But small picture, there are times. And in my opinion this is one of them. I am sure I'll explain at some point if people want me to and I feel it is an appropriate time.
But the small pictures end up coming together as the big picture!

I can't force you to say anything, of course. I'll just shake my finger at you and mumble "anti-town" under my breath.
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« Reply #198 on: April 19, 2017, 03:58:38 pm »

This feels like it is reaching from faust on Awaclus.

I agree. Keeping my vote on faust for now.
I feel like I have to ask now: What does this even mean?

I don't see what you don't get. Gkriegs thinks you finding awaclus scummy for his joke about andrew is reaching. Andrew agrees with gkriegs and is going to keep his vote on you.
I think I am just not really clear on the meaning of the word "reaching" in this context. Could you paraphrase?
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #199 on: April 19, 2017, 04:00:15 pm »

I cannot follow any of the conversation here. I don't see why people are voting Awaclus, and I don't see what TWM was getting at.
I like how Robz sounds like the grumpy old guy of f.ds mafia. Is it time to call you Bobz already?
Just kidding, your boyish charm and youthful good looks is a constant envy for me.

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It's like if Awaclus explained his reads!
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« Reply #200 on: April 19, 2017, 04:01:11 pm »

This feels like it is reaching from faust on Awaclus.

I agree. Keeping my vote on faust for now.
I feel like I have to ask now: What does this even mean?

I don't see what you don't get. Gkriegs thinks you finding awaclus scummy for his joke about andrew is reaching. Andrew agrees with gkriegs and is going to keep his vote on you.
I think I am just not really clear on the meaning of the word "reaching" in this context. Could you paraphrase?
i believe they mean it like you are trying to scumread him and your reasoning is weak
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #201 on: April 19, 2017, 04:02:08 pm »

I am totally reaching right now on my vote. Everyone is totally reaching right now. This shouldn't be a scumtell for early on Day 1.
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« Reply #202 on: April 19, 2017, 04:02:45 pm »

Basically a lot of null/early game stuff going on as opposed to mind reading twm who thought you thought the same thing he did about awaclus and voted for him and now won't say what his reasons which he thought were your reasons are/were. He's scummy.
What's scummy about that?
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« Reply #203 on: April 19, 2017, 04:04:21 pm »

I am totally reaching right now on my vote. Everyone is totally reaching right now. This shouldn't be a scumtell for early on Day 1.
I agree. Any reason that follows some sort of logic is way better than slinging votes completely randomly.
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« Reply #204 on: April 19, 2017, 04:05:26 pm »

i believe they mean it like you are trying to scumread him and your reasoning is weak

Uh huh. Well in that case gkrieg is reaching! Also Andrew. Even though he's really just sheeping and has not contributed anything of value.

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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #205 on: April 19, 2017, 04:08:14 pm »

I also hink it's scummy that awaclus is leaving his vote on andrew after explaining that it was a single joke post, but I don't see the harm in his vote being here so I would t expect him to unvote either.
I must have skipped the middle of this post. You think it's scummy, but you would not expect him to act differently? That does not seem to make a whole lot of sense.
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« Reply #206 on: April 19, 2017, 04:08:55 pm »

Andrew's ratio of saying things to things having been said about him is very low.
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« Reply #207 on: April 19, 2017, 04:11:25 pm »

Andrew is being quieter here, but that's gotta look townie on him, since he was hyper active and scum in the last two games.
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« Reply #208 on: April 19, 2017, 04:13:47 pm »

I've never really understood not sharing your full reads or reasons to vote. Does town need to be deceptive? In the big picture, scum likes people guessing and the situation murky.

But scum doesn't like scum guessing.
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« Reply #209 on: April 19, 2017, 04:17:11 pm »

Andrew is being quieter here, but that's gotta look townie on him, since he was hyper active and scum in the last two games.
He is also VLA or something.
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« Reply #210 on: April 19, 2017, 04:17:33 pm »

Andrew is being quieter here, but that's gotta look townie on him, since he was hyper active and scum in the last two games.
He is also VLA or something.

Oh, that's right.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #211 on: April 19, 2017, 04:22:47 pm »

unvote . I realized reaching at the beginning is more of a faust thing, not really scum!faust.
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« Reply #212 on: April 19, 2017, 09:36:54 pm »

unvote . I realized reaching at the beginning is more of a faust thing, not really scum!faust.
How did you come to that realization?
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« Reply #213 on: April 19, 2017, 09:43:53 pm »

unvote . I realized reaching at the beginning is more of a faust thing, not really scum!faust.
How did you come to that realization?

I woke up this morning and realized it.
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« Reply #214 on: April 19, 2017, 09:56:51 pm »

that is an unquestionable answer
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« Reply #215 on: April 19, 2017, 10:04:13 pm »

unvote . I realized reaching at the beginning is more of a faust thing, not really scum!faust.
How did you come to that realization?

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Didn't you realize the opposite this morning?
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« Reply #216 on: April 19, 2017, 10:04:59 pm »

Although I guess my morning isn't necessarily your morning, but I thought we were similar time zones.
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« Reply #217 on: April 19, 2017, 10:49:26 pm »

I mean it was something that just came to me.  It wasn't any one thing.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #218 on: April 20, 2017, 12:38:36 am »

gut feel vote: Awalcus
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« Reply #219 on: April 20, 2017, 02:50:08 am »

gut feel vote: Awalcus

That's a pretty crappy gut feel.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #220 on: April 20, 2017, 07:12:41 am »

So this game. Kinda sucks, right? We have a weekend coming up soon and then the deadline for today will be right at the end of that weekend, Monday at 5 am. I will be around then, but I assume that none of the US people will. So we really should step it up today and tomorrow.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #221 on: April 20, 2017, 07:21:47 am »

Post count for me to see who is responsible:

Awaclus - 9
Robz888 - 17
The_Wine_Merchant - 21
шэдд (I assume this is schadd by PoE - LaLight, please change this) - 46
Eevee - 17
gkrieg13 - 19
AndrewisFTTW - 4 (VLA)
2.71828..... - 7
faust - 28
mcmcsalot - 10
kkrieg - 7

Everyone with single-digit post count and no VLA is a disgrace.

In my mind, TWM is lurking, so seeing him high up is kinda strange. But I guess it's all relative.

Vote: e LAL
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #222 on: April 20, 2017, 07:25:10 am »

Some reads:

TWM is solidly town.
schadd is more townie than scummy, but eh. Anyway he's a bad lynch target for today.
Robz is somewhat towny.

Andrew is the mildest of scum reads, as much as you can get off of 4 VLA posts.
Eevee rubs me the wrong way, not sure why.
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« Reply #223 on: April 20, 2017, 07:52:38 am »

I always rub people the wrong way, that's my curse.

Vote: e Oh my god you lurk so much!
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« Reply #224 on: April 20, 2017, 07:58:43 am »

It is my curse that somebody always immediately votes for the person I voted for.
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« Reply #225 on: April 20, 2017, 08:01:44 am »

Everyone with single-digit post count and no VLA is a disgrace.

Good thing I don't have a single-digit post count!
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« Reply #226 on: April 20, 2017, 08:30:55 am »

gk and kk should constantly give their reads of each other.
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« Reply #227 on: April 20, 2017, 08:43:57 am »

I mean it was something that just came to me.  It wasn't any one thing.
I was wondering if it had more to do with the conversation in thread. Which I thought odd that you wouldn't acknowledge, but sure. I cant and don't want to dispute what you are saying.
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« Reply #228 on: April 20, 2017, 09:00:37 am »

Vote: E for lurking, and also, would probably be good to have a real wagon at this stage of Day 1.
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« Reply #229 on: April 20, 2017, 09:24:51 am »

So this game. Kinda sucks, right? We have a weekend coming up soon and then the deadline for today will be right at the end of that weekend, Monday at 5 am. I will be around then, but I assume that none of the US people will. So we really should step it up today and tomorrow.
Town points for this btw, I had no idea the deadline was so close.
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« Reply #230 on: April 20, 2017, 09:58:37 am »

Vote Count 1.3

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AndrewisFTTW (1): Awaclus
Awaclus (2): The_Wine_Merchant, kkrieg
faust (1): AndrewisFTTW
Eevee (1): 2,71828.....
The_Wine_Merchant (1): mcmcsalot
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Not voting (1): gkrieg13

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« Reply #231 on: April 20, 2017, 11:14:48 am »

Vote: E for lurking, and also, would probably be good to have a real wagon at this stage of Day 1.
Awaclus would be just as large of a "real" wagon had you gone there instead of 2.7.
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« Reply #232 on: April 20, 2017, 11:17:32 am »

Vote: E for lurking, and also, would probably be good to have a real wagon at this stage of Day 1.
Awaclus would be just as large of a "real" wagon had you gone there instead of 2.7.
What should we vote Awaclus for...? Ah right, you wouldn't tell. Well don't expect to convince a lot of people that way.
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« Reply #233 on: April 20, 2017, 11:20:06 am »

Vote: E for lurking, and also, would probably be good to have a real wagon at this stage of Day 1.
Awaclus would be just as large of a "real" wagon had you gone there instead of 2.7.
What should we vote Awaclus for...? Ah right, you wouldn't tell. Well don't expect to convince a lot of people that way.
I am not trying to convince anyone. I am just telling Robz that if he wanted to make a large wagon, Awaclus was an option as well and noting that he picked 2.7 instead of Awaclus.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #234 on: April 20, 2017, 11:20:49 am »

LAL (lynch all lurkers) day 1 has never worked.
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« Reply #235 on: April 20, 2017, 11:23:31 am »

LAL (lynch all lurkers) day 1 has never worked.
Probably because you can't lynch all lurkers at the same time. You can only lynch one, which will be manipulated by mafia to make sure that if there is a mafia they aren't lynched.
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« Reply #236 on: April 20, 2017, 11:23:58 am »

LAL (lynch all lurkers) day 1 has never worked.
Neither has not lynching them.
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« Reply #237 on: April 20, 2017, 11:25:51 am »

gk and kk should constantly give their reads of each other.

This is hard to do at this point. For reasons, and because she just hasn't posted that much.
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« Reply #238 on: April 20, 2017, 11:27:04 am »

vote: e
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« Reply #239 on: April 20, 2017, 11:27:58 am »

Interesting™
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« Reply #240 on: April 20, 2017, 11:33:05 am »

Have fairly limited access from now to the end of day 1.

PS: 2.7 has a semi less active announced. That might explain this so-called lurking.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #241 on: April 20, 2017, 11:34:00 am »

also it is telling that the people that voted for him couldn't take the 5 seconds to go and see what he had actually posted and see if he was actually lurking and find that little tidbit.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #242 on: April 20, 2017, 11:36:03 am »

also it is telling that the people that voted for him couldn't take the 5 seconds to go and see what he had actually posted and see if he was actually lurking and find that little tidbit.
If someone is VLA, they should post in the appropriate thread. If they fail to do this, that's on them and not on us.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #243 on: April 20, 2017, 11:36:56 am »

Also that post is from yesterday. e has been inactive before that.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #244 on: April 20, 2017, 11:41:34 am »

also it is telling that the people that voted for him couldn't take the 5 seconds to go and see what he had actually posted and see if he was actually lurking and find that little tidbit.
If someone is VLA, they should post in the appropriate thread. If they fail to do this, that's on them and not on us.
Sure. But I would think that players would actually go and and assess whether someone was lurking and not completely rely on your vote count. It wasn't like it was hard or onerous for me to do so.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #245 on: April 20, 2017, 11:42:43 am »

Also that post is from yesterday. e has been inactive before that.
Okay! You do what you want.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #246 on: April 20, 2017, 11:46:09 am »

also it is telling that the people that voted for him couldn't take the 5 seconds to go and see what he had actually posted and see if he was actually lurking and find that little tidbit.
If someone is VLA, they should post in the appropriate thread. If they fail to do this, that's on them and not on us.
Sure. But I would think that players would actually go and and assess whether someone was lurking and not completely rely on your vote count. It wasn't like it was hard or onerous for me to do so.
Sure I could have reread e, but why? Nothing suggested that I would find such a post. Maybe you remembered it and that is why you checked, which is fine.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #247 on: April 20, 2017, 11:51:45 am »

also it is telling that the people that voted for him couldn't take the 5 seconds to go and see what he had actually posted and see if he was actually lurking and find that little tidbit.
If someone is VLA, they should post in the appropriate thread. If they fail to do this, that's on them and not on us.
Sure. But I would think that players would actually go and and assess whether someone was lurking and not completely rely on your vote count. It wasn't like it was hard or onerous for me to do so.
Sure I could have reread e, but why? Nothing suggested that I would find such a post. Maybe you remembered it and that is why you checked, which is fine.
I didn't remember it. I wanted to look at the actual content of his posts if people are voting for him, to see if I wanted to vote for him. I am not saying people should reread him to look for that specific type of a post, but quickly rereading before voting someone rather than relying on the analysis of an unknown player (you) seems like an okish, townie sort of thing to do?
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #248 on: April 20, 2017, 11:58:36 am »

also it is telling that the people that voted for him couldn't take the 5 seconds to go and see what he had actually posted and see if he was actually lurking and find that little tidbit.
If someone is VLA, they should post in the appropriate thread. If they fail to do this, that's on them and not on us.
Sure. But I would think that players would actually go and and assess whether someone was lurking and not completely rely on your vote count. It wasn't like it was hard or onerous for me to do so.
Sure I could have reread e, but why? Nothing suggested that I would find such a post. Maybe you remembered it and that is why you checked, which is fine.

Can we lynch faust now? Not caring enough about possibly mislynching e to actually reread at all.

Also gkrieg's "realization" about faust is... interesting. Not sure I buy it. If one of them flips scum we should lynch the other. This isn't taking into consideration other information of course.

If there was a "Super Crazy V/LA" thread I would've posted in that. I'll be back in business on Sunday.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #249 on: April 20, 2017, 12:12:26 pm »

also it is telling that the people that voted for him couldn't take the 5 seconds to go and see what he had actually posted and see if he was actually lurking and find that little tidbit.
If someone is VLA, they should post in the appropriate thread. If they fail to do this, that's on them and not on us.
Sure. But I would think that players would actually go and and assess whether someone was lurking and not completely rely on your vote count. It wasn't like it was hard or onerous for me to do so.
Sure I could have reread e, but why? Nothing suggested that I would find such a post. Maybe you remembered it and that is why you checked, which is fine.

Can we lynch faust now? Not caring enough about possibly mislynching e to actually reread at all.

That's a pretty unfair reading of what faust said in response to TWM. Vote: Andrew
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #250 on: April 20, 2017, 03:45:35 pm »

I actually don't think I'll be any better at reading kkrieg
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #251 on: April 20, 2017, 04:39:20 pm »

A wagon! Great. The best way to combat it will be to post a bunch, so I will do what I can.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #252 on: April 20, 2017, 04:45:19 pm »

It is interesting that no one brought up my vote on eevee, rather just how I was lurking. No one wants to buddy eevee? He is such a buddy-able person. Super friendly to everyone
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #253 on: April 20, 2017, 04:48:29 pm »

So the question becomes, did scum vote for me, and does eevee have some sort of relationship with scum?

Faust voting me was a fairly standard "get the game moving" post- very alignment neutral. The following votes didn't build on it at all, mostly just sheeping, which isn't terrible, but easy for scum to do
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #254 on: April 20, 2017, 04:53:32 pm »

also it is telling that the people that voted for him couldn't take the 5 seconds to go and see what he had actually posted and see if he was actually lurking and find that little tidbit.
If someone is VLA, they should post in the appropriate thread. If they fail to do this, that's on them and not on us.
Sure. But I would think that players would actually go and and assess whether someone was lurking and not completely rely on your vote count. It wasn't like it was hard or onerous for me to do so.
Sure I could have reread e, but why? Nothing suggested that I would find such a post. Maybe you remembered it and that is why you checked, which is fine.

Can we lynch faust now? Not caring enough about possibly mislynching e to actually reread at all.

That's a pretty unfair reading of what faust said in response to TWM. Vote: Andrew

Yeah I guess you're right.

Unvote

BUT! faust's case on e is pretty much that he's lurking, which is kinda lame, amirite?
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #255 on: April 20, 2017, 04:58:55 pm »

Wait why am I directing that to you? You're responsible for this as well!

Vote: E for lurking, and also, would probably be good to have a real wagon at this stage of Day 1.

Booooo!
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #256 on: April 20, 2017, 05:00:27 pm »

vote: e

What's up with this? Your post before this was saying lynching lurkers doesn't work.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #257 on: April 20, 2017, 05:00:49 pm »

LAL (lynch all lurkers) day 1 has never worked.
Neither has not lynching them.

Very accurate. Scum have lurked to victory several times. The more you post the easier it is to come across scummy...or appear towny.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #258 on: April 20, 2017, 06:00:01 pm »

BUT! faust's case on e is pretty much that he's lurking, which is kinda lame, amirite?
Lurking is also kinda lame.

There will be more substantial voting tomorrow. Pushing this "lynch all lurkers" has yielded some interesting results.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #259 on: April 20, 2017, 06:00:34 pm »

Any interest in mcmc or gkrieg?
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #260 on: April 20, 2017, 06:02:26 pm »

Any interest in mcmc or gkrieg?
Not really? The only thing I remember about mcmc is that we disagreed about something. That is usually a town tell for him. gkrieg seems purposefully enigmatic, I'm not sure what's up with that, but would say it's more likely to come from town.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #261 on: April 20, 2017, 06:03:55 pm »

Any interest in mcmc or gkrieg?
Not really? The only thing I remember about mcmc is that we disagreed about something. That is usually a town tell for him.
Why is it ok for mcmc to lurk, but not 2.7?
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #262 on: April 20, 2017, 06:05:57 pm »

Any interest in mcmc or gkrieg?
Not really? The only thing I remember about mcmc is that we disagreed about something. That is usually a town tell for him.
Why is it ok for mcmc to lurk, but not 2.7?
It's not. Did I not just say I don't actually want to push lurker lynches? At least not now. Close to deadline may be a different story.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #263 on: April 20, 2017, 06:07:09 pm »

The simple truth is that any lurker is offering himself up as a fallback lynch.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #264 on: April 20, 2017, 06:11:46 pm »

Any interest in mcmc or gkrieg?
Not really? The only thing I remember about mcmc is that we disagreed about something. That is usually a town tell for him.
Why is it ok for mcmc to lurk, but not 2.7?
It's not. Did I not just say I don't actually want to push lurker lynches? At least not now. Close to deadline may be a different story.
You say it's not. But your voting is indicating differently. I am trying to figure out why that is. You are voting for 2.7 and the only reason you have given is that he is a lurker. Therefore, I am concluding you want to push a lurker lynch. I am sorry if I can't read between the lines to find nonexistent subtext.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #265 on: April 20, 2017, 06:15:13 pm »

Any interest in mcmc or gkrieg?
those are the two people i currently find most interesting. maybe other than faust
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #266 on: April 20, 2017, 06:15:41 pm »

Any interest in mcmc or gkrieg?
Not really? The only thing I remember about mcmc is that we disagreed about something. That is usually a town tell for him.
Why is it ok for mcmc to lurk, but not 2.7?
It's not. Did I not just say I don't actually want to push lurker lynches? At least not now. Close to deadline may be a different story.
You say it's not. But your voting is indicating differently. I am trying to figure out why that is. You are voting for 2.7 and the only reason you have given is that he is a lurker. Therefore, I am concluding you want to push a lurker lynch. I am sorry if I can't read between the lines to find nonexistent subtext.
No need to get angry. My vote is on e because I don't know where else to put it yet. But I am also tired and need to sleep, so there will not be any big revelations today. Which, I believe, is pretty much what I already said.

There will be more substantial voting tomorrow.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #267 on: April 20, 2017, 06:16:47 pm »

I thought you meant tomorrow as in Day 2, not tomorrow as in April 21. I misread (but to be fair to me, the word tomorrow in this game has multiple meanings that aren't always completely clear).
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #268 on: April 20, 2017, 06:18:21 pm »

i usually capitalize them when i'm referring to the game time. and capitalization being interesting is one of the luxuries afforded when you don't usually do it
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #269 on: April 20, 2017, 09:24:12 pm »

I want to lynch everyone! I am lacking town reads in a major way.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #270 on: April 20, 2017, 10:57:02 pm »

I'm probably a lurker right now huh?
Faust seems fairly towny which makes me want to jump on the e train.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #271 on: April 20, 2017, 11:44:22 pm »

I'm probably a lurker right now huh?
Faust seems fairly towny which makes me want to jump on the e train.

You mean the eevee train.

This post is really interesting by kkrieg. And I think scummy

Vote: kkrieg
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #272 on: April 21, 2017, 12:54:21 am »

I'm probably a lurker right now huh?
Faust seems fairly towny which makes me want to jump on the e train.

You mean the eevee train.

This post is really interesting by kkrieg. And I think scummy

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Haha my reasoning for posting that was "I have no scum reads so I'll try to be helpful by showing I'm town by agreeing with someone else who seems towny."

Seems like that backfired.
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Re: M98: Русская Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #273 on: April 21, 2017, 03:20:31 am »

I thought you meant tomorrow as in Day 2, not tomorrow as in April 21. I misread (but to be fair to me, the word tomorrow in this game has multiple meanings that aren't always completely clear).
Ah, I see, sorry then, it was a bit unclear.
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