Alright I read through D3 Robz. Didn't find much that's quotable beside him saying he's not moving his vote from Joseph, and then saying he's doubting himself about Space and places a vote on Space. I think he just understood that we needed a lynch and gkrieg wasn't budging so something had to give.
Do people really think scum tries to bus instead of defend their partners when there are only 2 of them?
From over here, it's certain that they do! And I think if you're looking at that section of the game, then Robz's actions come off the worst. He goes from me, where he's sat while being awol for most of D2, tries you, then Andrew (i.e. two probably-higher-value targets than me in terms of game experience) before briefly settling on Dylan at #559 and flitting off again at #575, coming back only to hammer when the Dylan wagon's too big to stop.
He could've stayed on Andrew and I think he could've gotten the lynch to go through.
You and Robz are the only two people who were voting Andrew in the later parts of D2. Earlier on, Joseph had been the only person on his wagon. I quite possibly would have liked to vote for him, but I was totally signal-less by the end, so I certainly wasn't able to move.
I addressed this here and elsewhere:
I think what makes Robz town is after Jake softclaims. Robz was voting me previously but after Jake softclaims he moves to Dylan. There was absolutely no reason for him to switch to his partner there. Yeah he went back and voted me, but why even plant the seed of lynching his partner that late in the day when we almost lynched like three people?
And here's Space's case that I briefly responded too but it was like 2 minutes to deadline so I couldn't give it solid answers at the time.
Thing 1: Unannounced L-1 on PPS.
I don't think this is particularly scummy, as I think we both did this this game as well. But even so, it's not something scum!Robz would intentionally do D1 under any circumstance.
Thing 2: Reason for wanting to hammer PPS is that PPS admitted to being scum, i.e. a really flimsy reason.
All the votes were flimsy. This is why I've had trouble picking anything out from D1 every time I go back to reread it, I don't know what I can take seriously because there was no real case on pps.
Thing 3: Total mischaracterization of my play in D1 multiple times (#249, #290) in order to get a scumread on me and vote.
Well I think Robz just misread your tone. It could very easily be taken as you sarcastically arguing against the lynch but I think all you were doing was asking Jake a couple questions because you were curious of his answers. If you're suggesting he intentionally took your questions to mean you were against the wagon then yeah, I could see that. But I think it's much more likely he just misread. I think we all probably did.
Thing 4: Refusal to engage with the claiming thing gkrieg and I had been pushing. That's scummy because if he'd later wanted to come out as a PR, this sort of exercise really narrows his options and makes faking much more difficult. I think there's also some psychology at work showing himself as being more of a leader if he refuses to go along with pack consensus. Note that he calls it a "silly exercise", but said nothing against it earlier to imply he thought it was unwise for town to pursue.
Ok now that I have time to process this yes I can see where you're coming from. Robz only comments on this whole thing after the fact, and if he fakeclaimed there would be nothing for him to contradict. But if he did fakeclaim we would still ask him for results. This is a moot point anyway because we now know the setup and he didn't fakeclaim which means he didn't abstain from the exercise for the sole purpose of fakeclaiming. I don't buy the whole psychology thing you point out as well. Again I see where you're coming from but he didn't try to capitalize on it after that point, so again it's a moot point.
Thing 5: He makes only one post from #312 and #522. At #522 he's keen not to be replaced, since gkrieg and I have been proposing replacement. My reason for that was that PoE was getting really hard when there's a completely unreadable player. He comes back into the game completely changing his mind (not necessarily scummy, because so much has happened), and guns instead for gkrieg and Andrew.
I don't find anything particularly scummy about this play. As I said earlier I think he got caught up and posted his thoughts. I don't think there's much more to it than that.
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