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Rules mess ups you've seen?
« on: March 06, 2017, 02:57:38 am »
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Nice thing about playing with a variety of groups... older/younger people, new to Dom. or vets of years, casual gamers or heavy gamers... you run into numerous rules errors encountered.  These are some I've noticed that stand out:

  • Cellar - Discard 2 cards to draw 2 more, then discard 2 more cards to discard 2 more...
If you want to discard 4 cards, they have to be at once
  • TR or Kings Court on Goons, thinking the gaining of VP tokens is also "multiplied"
  • playing cards into your discard - "what difference does it make?"
Are you drawing more cards?
"Yes"
Then you'll see

  • Contraband
Plays Contraband, then reveals entire hand to player on left... "What can't I buy"

  • "It's a shame I didn't have enough actions left to play my Loan"
  • Procession - "Now for my favorite trick, trash a $5 card, and get a Gold"
The card you're processioning into has to be an Action card
  • Using University to gain Duchies
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Re: Rules mess ups you've seen?
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2017, 07:24:51 am »
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My pet peeve is people shuffling their deck before they need to draw. Everyone does it, and it is not even that absurd of an edge case that this really makes a difference.

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Re: Rules mess ups you've seen?
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2017, 08:07:48 am »
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My pet peeve is people shuffling their deck before they need to draw. Everyone does it, and it is not even that absurd of an edge case that this really makes a difference.

IMO this saves enough time that it's worth letting people do it. If they do end up needing to discard before they draw, make them shuffle the discarded cards in.
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Re: Rules mess ups you've seen?
« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2017, 08:24:18 am »
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My pet peeve is people shuffling their deck before they need to draw. Everyone does it, and it is not even that absurd of an edge case that this really makes a difference.

Yeah, I don't think this is a rules mistake (unless the people doing it think that the rules actually tell them to do it). It's simply a common convenience that helps IRL games to not drag on unnecessarily. I'll always do it if I know I'm drawing on my next turn; and it's easy enough to know if I can't do it yet because an attack or something might be played.
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Re: Rules mess ups you've seen?
« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2017, 08:47:04 am »
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People discarding Duration cards at the start of their next turn.
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Re: Rules mess ups you've seen?
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2017, 08:47:16 am »
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My pet peeve is people shuffling their deck before they need to draw. Everyone does it, and it is not even that absurd of an edge case that this really makes a difference.

Just set aside the top card of the discard pile and shuffle the rest of the discard pile without turning it over. The order of your discard pile is both unimportant and not something you're usually allowed to know anyway. Then when you switch to your deck you won't feel as compelled to shuffle it for longer than 2 or 3 shuffles.
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Re: Rules mess ups you've seen?
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2017, 08:58:48 am »
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The big one I remember is people taking a Pirate Ship token for each treasure they trashed in a 4p game. Man, did we think the card was OP. Seaway was also in that game, so some people got up to the point where Pirate Ship have them $16 and +1 buy.

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Re: Rules mess ups you've seen?
« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2017, 10:05:38 am »
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I myself remember thinking that if I had 2 Throne Rooms and another action card, I could just play that other action card 4 times.
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Re: Rules mess ups you've seen?
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2017, 10:09:30 am »
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I myself remember thinking that if I had 2 Throne Rooms and another action card, I could just play that other action card 4 times.

By extension, we've all had to do the "TR does not double the effects, it gives you the effect twice" talk.
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Re: Rules mess ups you've seen?
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2017, 11:23:37 am »
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"I play a Spy."
"I don't have a deck at the moment, it's all in my hand or my discard pile."
"Well that's fine."
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Re: Rules mess ups you've seen?
« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2017, 11:45:30 am »
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I've never seen anything too bad, except for when I had to pull out the rules to convince my dad that Masquerade makes him lose cards when I have no cards.  (Not anymore, of course)
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Re: Rules mess ups you've seen?
« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2017, 11:53:52 am »
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"I play Festival" (grabs two Coppers and puts them in play)
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Re: Rules mess ups you've seen?
« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2017, 12:53:20 pm »
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"I play a Spy."
"I don't have a deck at the moment, it's all in my hand or my discard pile."
"Well that's fine."
I heard this one from a guy when I played Swindler. "Right," I said, "so shuffle your discard. That's the general rule when you need a card from your deck."

"But *I* don't need a card from my deck. *You* do."
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Re: Rules mess ups you've seen?
« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2017, 01:22:08 pm »
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I played against someone who thought in play and in your hand were the same thing. The interesting thing was that they had every set. I saw a couple of occasions where this caused problems.

Grand Market - They claimed you couldn't buy Grand Market if you had any Coppers in your hand.
Pilgrimage - They claimed you could gain victory cards with it if you had the said card in your hand.

Probably there are other cards they played wrong. Off the top of my head I can see potential issues with Horn of Plenty, Peddler, Conspirator, etc.
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Re: Rules mess ups you've seen?
« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2017, 01:38:33 pm »
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I pulled off KC-KC-Br-Br-Br in a Colony game and took all provinces, and my opponent tried to continue to play thinking that emptying province in a colony game was not an end condition.  Ironically, this was the same person who introduced me to Dominion.
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Re: Rules mess ups you've seen?
« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2017, 01:39:21 pm »
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"I play a Spy."
"I don't have a deck at the moment, it's all in my hand or my discard pile."
"Well that's fine."
I heard this one from a guy when I played Swindler. "Right," I said, "so shuffle your discard. That's the general rule when you need a card from your deck."

"But *I* don't need a card from my deck. *You* do."

That's such a genius defence, I'd almost be inclined to let it stand!
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Re: Rules mess ups you've seen?
« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2017, 02:40:16 pm »
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Playing treasures then playing Watchtower to draw. This happened in a real life tournament. There was no Black Market or Villa. Do not even try to justify this, dude.
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Re: Rules mess ups you've seen?
« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2017, 03:03:12 pm »
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We never really "play" Treasures, we just flash our hands and buy something usually. This has lead to pseudo-Haunted Woods pins where my opponent keeps on topdecking his hand of 5 Copper.
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Re: Rules mess ups you've seen?
« Reply #18 on: March 06, 2017, 03:29:57 pm »
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"I play Festival" (grabs two Coppers and puts them in play)

Weird... he didn't grab a Silver? I haven't seen in in person, but I've seen a few different people ask if "+" meant to take a Silver.

Also, I've had people asking questions under the assumption that "+2 cards" meant to gain 2 cards.

Moat is way OP.
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Re: Rules mess ups you've seen?
« Reply #19 on: March 06, 2017, 04:39:11 pm »
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"I play Festival" (grabs two Coppers and puts them in play)

Weird... he didn't grab a Silver? I haven't seen in in person, but I've seen a few different people ask if "+" meant to take a Silver.

Also, I've had people asking questions under the assumption that "+2 cards" meant to gain 2 cards.

Moat is way OP.

But if I were able to go back in time and suggest changes to Dominion, one thing I'd suggest is replacing +X Cards with "draw X cards". Actions, Buys, and Coins these invisible resources, and they're fundamentally different from cards in hand. I think this change would make some cards' wordings more natural. Warehouse would be "+1 Action. Draw 3 cards, then discard 3 cards." I've actually had people gloss over "Discard 3 cards" on Warehouse before, but I bet they wouldn't if it were wrapped into the same sentence as the draw.
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Re: Rules mess ups you've seen?
« Reply #20 on: March 06, 2017, 04:41:14 pm »
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I've dealt with most of the things people have mentioned already.

No, you can't shuffle yet.

No, don't discard that yet.

No, seriously, don't discard that yet.

You have to put that into play.

No, into play over there.

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Re: Rules mess ups you've seen?
« Reply #21 on: March 06, 2017, 07:55:39 pm »
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Was playing just now against someone who'd misread Forager; he thought it referred to differently named cards, rather than differently named treasures, in the trash.
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Re: Rules mess ups you've seen?
« Reply #22 on: March 06, 2017, 08:06:06 pm »
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Re: Rules mess ups you've seen?
« Reply #23 on: March 07, 2017, 04:29:07 am »
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Playing treasures then playing Watchtower to draw. This happened in a real life tournament. There was no Black Market or Villa. Do not even try to justify this, dude.

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Re: Rules mess ups you've seen?
« Reply #24 on: March 08, 2017, 12:23:49 am »
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Was playing just now against someone who'd misread Forager; he thought it referred to differently named cards, rather than differently named treasures, in the trash.

Right, there was a time pretty early on when I forgot that Forager could trash cards other than treasures and trashed a Gold just to get the buy.  I think I had junk cards in my hand at the time.  I realized a few turns later that wasn't quite right.
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