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Re: RMM42: Space Alert Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1550 on: February 26, 2018, 08:17:47 am »

Or I guess you can't confirm the lower part.
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Re: RMM42: Space Alert Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1551 on: February 26, 2018, 08:42:36 am »

 
iguana is correct that I had no targets. I tried to give myself cards but forgot to specify a target.  Moved to white, got printout. Cop confirmed.
Can you please state the complete printout now?
That was it.
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Re: RMM42: Space Alert Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1552 on: February 26, 2018, 08:42:57 am »

How am I objectively scummy?

Because everyone else is town?

Who else should I vote for?

RR
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Re: RMM42: Space Alert Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1553 on: February 26, 2018, 08:49:43 am »

How am I objectively scummy?

Because everyone else is town?

Who else should I vote for?

RR
It doesn't make sense to vote for RR while iguana is still alive...
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Re: RMM42: Space Alert Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1554 on: February 26, 2018, 08:53:54 am »

Oh yeah, of course...I can confirm that Awaclus was in blue after the first action.
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Re: RMM42: Space Alert Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1555 on: February 26, 2018, 10:54:34 am »

How am I objectively scummy?

Because everyone else is town?

Who else should I vote for?

RR
It doesn't make sense to vote for RR while iguana is still alive...

iguana is another fine choice. Enumerating all the ways you are towny is not objectively a towny thing to do! Awaclus hasn't been towny. More like under the radar. I'll reread both of them today.
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Re: RMM42: Space Alert Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1556 on: February 26, 2018, 01:09:36 pm »

OTOH, copping iguana either 100% confirms roadrunner as town (if iguana is copped as town) OR gives us a 50/50 between the cop and iguana (if he is copped as scum).

I would definitely rather lynch silver or EFHW over iguana for that reason.
I think given that we are guaranteed no cop switch tonight, we should plan to block the nk and get 2-3 cop results in a chain.  As long as nk is blocked, we can get a significant cop-chain going of confirmed town, or else put scum into a very bad lying position.

Let's see who could possibly cop tonight (based on location)?
e can in round 1
EFHW can in round 3
faust can in round 3
I can in round 3
iguana can in round 2
awaclus cannot
roadrunner and silver we don't know yet.

we'll also need 4 C's to block the nk.  I can provide 2.  The other 2 would need to come from awaclus, faust, EFHW, or other players that are we-know-not-where.
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Re: RMM42: Space Alert Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1557 on: February 26, 2018, 03:07:12 pm »

All I did was try to put energy into the red pool, I didn't wanna screw anything up again.
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Re: RMM42: Space Alert Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1558 on: February 26, 2018, 04:28:24 pm »

Also if I was scum!iguana I'd probably cop RR, but we'll see.
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Re: RMM42: Space Alert Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1559 on: February 26, 2018, 05:17:14 pm »

I tried refill red -> move up -> cop iguana. Moving did not work (e's movement confirmed) so instead I gave cards to ii.

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Re: RMM42: Space Alert Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1560 on: February 26, 2018, 09:42:50 pm »

Um...so iguana is caught in a lie right (I've gotten this wrong so many times this game).
He claims to have tracked, EFHW claims he didn't.
But ALSO, there's still 1 energy in white, so he can only track if EFHW also lied about getting a printout at all.
But I tried to get a printout and failed, so I can confirm that SOMEONE got a printout.
So...iguana is seemingly lying about tracking, both by printout and energy.

Just to double-check no errors on energy readings?
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Re: RMM42: Space Alert Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1561 on: February 26, 2018, 09:44:44 pm »

For reference here are all the claims (well technically faust hasn't claimed, but this is what he said he'd do yesterday, and not blocking the nk seems like an awful chance to take)
Night Activity:
1: Awaclus Monitor x3
2: e fill red (2 white), lift, cop
3: EFHW draw, move, printout
4: Roadrunner pull energy
5: silverspawn pull energy, lift(fail), draw(iguana)
6: faust played 3 C's?
7: theorel monitor, move, printout(fail)
8: Iguana C, lift, track

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Re: RMM42: Space Alert Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1562 on: February 26, 2018, 09:54:43 pm »

Assuming iguana is caught in a lie, and not an error...
Suggested night actions:
e cops roadrunner, takes lift refills Red.
roadrunner does lift, cops silver
faust cops e (lift then red)
silver pulls energy goes to white and plays C
I fill white, play 2 C's
EFHW plays central C, lift, wiggles mouse
Awaclus comes center, plays a C, and gets a printout.

Some of those might not be doable, the important ones are the energy movements and the cops.  As long as we have 4 of the 5 C's we're good there.
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Re: RMM42: Space Alert Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1563 on: February 27, 2018, 12:11:07 am »

Also, I think we are at the point where coordinating actions should work very well.

I plan on
1) move blueward
2) take a lift down
3) play a C action

Or I can flip 1&2. I don't have any A actions left so I can't cop. But I have a bunch of C actions and once I sit in lower white can help with blocking the NK
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Re: RMM42: Space Alert Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1564 on: February 27, 2018, 12:59:59 am »

For reference here are all the claims (well technically faust hasn't claimed, but this is what he said he'd do yesterday, and not blocking the nk seems like an awful chance to take)
Just for the sake of completeness, you are correct.
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Re: RMM42: Space Alert Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1565 on: February 27, 2018, 01:03:47 am »

Um...so iguana is caught in a lie right (I've gotten this wrong so many times this game).
He claims to have tracked, EFHW claims he didn't.
But ALSO, there's still 1 energy in white, so he can only track if EFHW also lied about getting a printout at all.
But I tried to get a printout and failed, so I can confirm that SOMEONE got a printout.
So...iguana is seemingly lying about tracking, both by printout and energy.

Just to double-check no errors on energy readings?
Good work! I can't believe we're finally lynching iguana. This has been a long time coming.
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Re: RMM42: Space Alert Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1566 on: February 27, 2018, 09:58:04 am »

Okay, well if e can't cop, we get at most 2 cop results tonight, so that's unfortunate.

New suggested night actions:
e goes blue, lifts down, plays C
roadrunner pulls energy, moves to white, plays C
faust cops silver (lift then red)
silver lifts up, cops e, does whatever
I fill white, play 2 C's
EFHW plays central C, moves red, fills energy
Awaclus comes center, gets a printout, refills energy
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Re: RMM42: Space Alert Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1567 on: February 27, 2018, 12:39:44 pm »

Great if we've caught iguana in a lie (for real this time). I guess we're waiting to hear what he has to say about it?

For future reference, here's my take after rereading Awaclus. About 1/3 of his posts were on task. He has a couple OMGUS votes (silver ~361, Haddock ~1001), otherwise very much went with the flow in his votes. Did not scumhunt. The thing that stands out most for me as scummy is that in at least 4 of the on task posts he is deferring to the rest of town. Here are the 4 I noticed:

I had no idea Awaclus was playing until just now.
It was a bit pointless to participate in setup talk when I didn't have even the faintest recollection of what the setup was.
I know it's an unusual proposition, but you could just read the setup and then participate!
I did, but at that point you had already said we should stop with the setup talk.

Okay, I mean after a bit of thinking it turns out that Awaclus' play is just plain stupid as either alignment. So I guess that points to town!anti-town!Awaclus.
I shouldn't have confirmed Skumpy's roleblock claim?

But, Awaclus, can you now release the info on red actions, as I don't suppose we will get any more claims?
Should I just claim the full status print-out?

I did zone monitoring three times. Do I have to claim more at this point?

I'm mentioning this because it seems out of character to me. As scum, one worries more about what other people think and want. I would expect a lot more of:

However, I didn't have any red cards so that was impossible.
But it takes exactly how much thought to realize that Skumpy was going to try to use the Lift, and you were blocking him?
I didn't particularly care about that.

from town!Awaclus.
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Re: RMM42: Space Alert Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1568 on: February 27, 2018, 01:12:33 pm »

I'm mentioning this because it seems out of character to me.

It's not. I'm skipping past of a lot of the posts so I have to ask questions to keep up.
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Re: RMM42: Space Alert Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1569 on: February 27, 2018, 04:13:58 pm »

oh my heavens there must be some error for i am indeed towwwn
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Re: RMM42: Space Alert Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1570 on: February 27, 2018, 06:08:41 pm »

oh my heavens there must be some error for i am indeed towwwn
Now I'm convinced.

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Re: RMM42: Space Alert Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1571 on: February 27, 2018, 06:33:02 pm »

Yeah I'll share my thoughts on how fakeclaiming was impossible after the game. Would love to know how Space thought scum was supposed to play this because I had no clue.
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Re: RMM42: Space Alert Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1572 on: February 27, 2018, 06:33:16 pm »

Vote: iguana
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Re: RMM42: Space Alert Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1573 on: February 27, 2018, 07:06:31 pm »

So is theorel's plan the plan?
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Re: RMM42: Space Alert Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1574 on: February 27, 2018, 07:36:27 pm »

Vote Count 5.1

EFHW (2): silverspawn, 2.71828.....
iguanaiguana (1): iguanaiguana
Not Voting (5): faust, EFHW, theorel, Awaclus, Roadrunner7671

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
D5 ends at 1.30pm forum time on Sunday 4th March.
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