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Re: RMM42: Space Alert Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1175 on: February 13, 2018, 05:54:57 am »

Eh. Fine.

So I didn't have a lift in the first 6 cards. I went blue, nothing, WV faust.

And N2 I went WV faust, lift, Zone Monitor Skumpy.
OK so you and I have done exactly the same things except targetting different people...

Don't want to claim who I monitored until there's a few more claims.
Well Vote: Haddock then.
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Re: RMM42: Space Alert Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1176 on: February 13, 2018, 06:02:24 am »

Why have you not used a lift during N1?
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Re: RMM42: Space Alert Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1177 on: February 13, 2018, 06:04:44 am »

It's completely outrageous how by now we have 4 people out of 4 claimants that have claimed to have wasted an action.
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Re: RMM42: Space Alert Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1178 on: February 13, 2018, 06:05:58 am »

It seems very unlikely that it wouldn't occur to either silver or Haddock to sit there doing nothing when they could have Tracked or Roleblocked someone.
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Re: RMM42: Space Alert Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1179 on: February 13, 2018, 06:20:10 am »

Eh. Fine.

So I didn't have a lift in the first 6 cards. I went blue, nothing, WV faust.

And N2 I went WV faust, lift, Zone Monitor Skumpy.
OK so you and I have done exactly the same things except targetting different people...

Don't want to claim who I monitored until there's a few more claims.
Well Vote: Haddock then.

Vote: Haddock seems good.
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Re: RMM42: Space Alert Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1180 on: February 13, 2018, 08:54:01 am »

Yeah I don't understand why people are doing nothing either. You always get new cards, so might as well try an action just to make sure.

Also I think my claim will make me pretty towny ;)

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Re: RMM42: Space Alert Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1181 on: February 13, 2018, 09:01:47 am »

Yeah I don't understand why people are doing nothing either. You always get new cards, so might as well try an action just to make sure.

Also I think my claim will make me pretty towny ;)
Well theorel is ahead of you in order, but given that he already did a partial claim I'd say you're good to go.

Of course any claim that happen between here and Haddock claiming his result will make Haddock look scummier, but that is his problem really.
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Re: RMM42: Space Alert Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1182 on: February 13, 2018, 09:09:02 am »

It seems very unlikely that it wouldn't occur to either silver or Haddock to sit there doing nothing when they could have Tracked or Roleblocked someone.

You're still not making sense. What have you done with faust?

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Re: RMM42: Space Alert Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1183 on: February 13, 2018, 09:10:05 am »

I copped RR. Townie. I gave Faust cards. Are we full claiming?
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Re: RMM42: Space Alert Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1184 on: February 13, 2018, 09:10:39 am »

Great! I knew RR wasn't scummy.

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Re: RMM42: Space Alert Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1185 on: February 13, 2018, 09:47:11 am »

It seems very unlikely that it wouldn't occur to either silver or Haddock to sit there doing nothing when they could have Tracked or Roleblocked someone.

You're still not making sense. What have you done with faust?

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You can certainly still try for both...
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Re: RMM42: Space Alert Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1186 on: February 13, 2018, 10:01:30 am »

It seems very unlikely that it wouldn't occur to either silver or Haddock to sit there doing nothing when they could have Tracked or Roleblocked someone.

You're still not making sense. What have you done with faust?

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You can certainly still try for both...

In particular let's suppose players 4 and 5 both happen to go for Weak Visitor...
If they both do nothing for 2nd round and weak visit round 3 we get only a single visit from 4.
But if they both try to weak visit on both rounds 2 and 3 we get 2 weak visits.
Similarly if scum blocks the round-3 action, but fails to block the round-2 action, then if you take a null action you achieve NOTHING, but if you try twice you actually get your action off.
In both of these cases the difference between trying once and trying twice is that we get an extra pro-town action out of trying twice.

People should be trying to get something out of every card play, especially if you have a glut of a single action-type (which you did).  There is abosolutely NO REASON for you not to have tried  twice night 1 for weak visitor.  And no reason for Haddock to do the same.
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Re: RMM42: Space Alert Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1187 on: February 13, 2018, 10:02:42 am »

It's completely outrageous how by now we have 4 people out of 4 claimants that have claimed to have wasted an action.
Who's the fourth btw?  I know gkrieg, silver, and Haddock have all claimed to have wasted an action...not sure who else did.
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Re: RMM42: Space Alert Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1188 on: February 13, 2018, 10:04:21 am »

It's completely outrageous how by now we have 4 people out of 4 claimants that have claimed to have wasted an action.
Who's the fourth btw?  I know gkrieg, silver, and Haddock have all claimed to have wasted an action...not sure who else did.
EFHW got two printouts.
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Re: RMM42: Space Alert Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1189 on: February 13, 2018, 10:24:57 am »

It seems very unlikely that it wouldn't occur to either silver or Haddock to sit there doing nothing when they could have Tracked or Roleblocked someone.

You're still not making sense. What have you done with faust?

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You can certainly still try for both...

Why? If the blue actions are disabled, nothing works anyway and I lose a card. if the blue actions are not disabled, I do doctor instead of WV, which is worse.

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Re: RMM42: Space Alert Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1190 on: February 13, 2018, 10:29:41 am »

See what theorel said. Also, you could have tried for Tracker while still in Upper White.
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Re: RMM42: Space Alert Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1191 on: February 13, 2018, 10:40:40 am »

It seems very unlikely that it wouldn't occur to either silver or Haddock to sit there doing nothing when they could have Tracked or Roleblocked someone.

You're still not making sense. What have you done with faust?

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You can certainly still try for both...

Why? If the blue actions are disabled, nothing works anyway and I lose a card. if the blue actions are not disabled, I do doctor instead of WV, which is worse.
Why would you have to doctor?  Couldn't you just WV twice?
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Re: RMM42: Space Alert Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1192 on: February 13, 2018, 11:45:14 am »

Why would you have to doctor?  Couldn't you just throw a card away?
I could...

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Re: RMM42: Space Alert Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1193 on: February 13, 2018, 12:09:23 pm »

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Why? If the blue actions are disabled, nothing works anyway and I lose a card. if the blue actions are not disabled, I do doctor instead of WV, which is worse.
Why would you have to doctor?  Couldn't you just WV twice? (edited to: Couldn't you just throw a card away?)
I could...

I still don't understand why you would have to doctor.  If doctoring is worse than throwing a card away...why couldn't you weak visit twice, thus increasing the odds of getting the action you wanted (which is not equivalent to throwing away a card).  Why would you take the worse action, since it includes throwing away a card?  Why did doctor even come up here?
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Re: RMM42: Space Alert Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1194 on: February 13, 2018, 12:10:46 pm »

Why would you have to doctor?  Couldn't you just throw a card away?
I could...
Please don't.
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Re: RMM42: Space Alert Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1195 on: February 13, 2018, 12:22:46 pm »

I copped RR. Townie. I gave Faust cards. Are we full claiming?
So you would have to have been in Red at the start of your turn. Which leads to the question... what on earth were you doing N1?
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Re: RMM42: Space Alert Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1196 on: February 13, 2018, 01:08:47 pm »

sorry for inactivity, work caught up on me. I still think silver's actions make little to no sense as town, call it confirmation bias if you want.
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Re: RMM42: Space Alert Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1197 on: February 13, 2018, 01:38:48 pm »

I mean, it would cost energy twice and I thought it would go through with just one

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Re: RMM42: Space Alert Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1198 on: February 13, 2018, 02:21:41 pm »

Why have you not used a lift during N1?
I've already explained this.

I didn't want to use the lift so that other people could go down. I am not a high priority target for the kill because people thought I was scummy d1 so no-one was going to kill me. Better i was upstairs than other people who might have been.
Saving cards was strictly better than using it for no real purpose or potentially wasting the lift. You absolutely 100% cannot just unequivocally decide that passing a turn is scummy. I had good reasons and I've already explained them.

The fact that 4 people have done this should make you think you might be wrong about it, not that all 4 of those people are scummy.
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Re: RMM42: Space Alert Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1199 on: February 13, 2018, 02:23:59 pm »

It seems very unlikely that it wouldn't occur to either silver or Haddock to sit there doing nothing when they could have Tracked or Roleblocked someone.
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