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[faust]

-silverspawn went blue, tried to use weak visitor, and claims he was blocked.  It would be difficult to manufacture this because blue has 2 energy, and I think Haddock tried to weak visit as well.  So, the only scenario where scum didn't block blue is where both silver and haddock are lying.
-Haddock, I just talked about.

It is also to be pointed out that we have nothing but sliver's and Haddock's words that they went to blue. Scum would know that blue was blocked and safe to fakeclaim.

I mean, yes sure...but in that case it just means that more scum went red, not less.  My whole point was that scum went red to block blue and block cop, which means at least 2 scum went red.  If you're arguing that these guys might have gone red, and then some other scum went blue, it doesn't really change things because all the "went red" players (except gkrieg), are just players that didn't bother to claim.

Well, scum would know they'd end up looking rather scummy going to red, so naturally they would be more prone to lie about it. Then if that just leaves the townies who won't lie and happened to also go to red, then that's not exactly a brilliant outcome.

[iguanaiguana]

Vote: Gkrieg L-1

Gkrieg is the least present of the people in the top half. So that seems like a good choice.

[gkrieg13]

Vote: Gkrieg L-1

Gkrieg is the least present of the people in the top half. So that seems like a good choice.

How does this make sense?

Haven't had time to catch up. I'm not scum.  If the case on me is just that I was in the top half of the draft and on the wagon yesterday, those are pretty crappy reasons.  Of the votes on me, the ones from LaLight and iguana look the scummiest.  No real reasoning, and very lazy votes.

[faust]

unvote

With this many scums around, there's no need to do something stupid.

[faust]

Vote: Gkrieg L-1

Gkrieg is the least present of the people in the top half. So that seems like a good choice.

How does this make sense?

Haven't had time to catch up. I'm not scum.  If the case on me is just that I was in the top half of the draft and on the wagon yesterday, those are pretty crappy reasons.  Of the votes on me, the ones from LaLight and iguana look the scummiest.  No real reasoning, and very lazy votes.

What did you do tonight?

[gkrieg13]

Vote: Gkrieg L-1

Gkrieg is the least present of the people in the top half. So that seems like a good choice.

How does this make sense?

Haven't had time to catch up. I'm not scum.  If the case on me is just that I was in the top half of the draft and on the wagon yesterday, those are pretty crappy reasons.  Of the votes on me, the ones from LaLight and iguana look the scummiest.  No real reasoning, and very lazy votes.

What did you do tonight?

Did not take a first action, moved redwards, used the lift.

[Haddock]

-silverspawn went blue, tried to use weak visitor, and claims he was blocked.  It would be difficult to manufacture this because blue has 2 energy, and I think Haddock tried to weak visit as well.  So, the only scenario where scum didn't block blue is where both silver and haddock are lying.
-Haddock, I just talked about.

It is also to be pointed out that we have nothing but sliver's and Haddock's words that they went to blue. Scum would know that blue was blocked and safe to fakeclaim.

I mean, yes sure...but in that case it just means that more scum went red, not less.  My whole point was that scum went red to block blue and block cop, which means at least 2 scum went red.  If you're arguing that these guys might have gone red, and then some other scum went blue, it doesn't really change things because all the "went red" players (except gkrieg), are just players that didn't bother to claim.

Well, scum would know they'd end up looking rather scummy going to red, so naturally they would be more prone to lie about it. Then if that just leaves the townies who won't lie and happened to also go to red, then that's not exactly a brilliant outcome.

I don't agree that they'd necessarily know this

This is exactly why I wanted colours claimed before we had too much discussion.

[faust]

Vote: Gkrieg L-1

Gkrieg is the least present of the people in the top half. So that seems like a good choice.

How does this make sense?

Haven't had time to catch up. I'm not scum.  If the case on me is just that I was in the top half of the draft and on the wagon yesterday, those are pretty crappy reasons.  Of the votes on me, the ones from LaLight and iguana look the scummiest.  No real reasoning, and very lazy votes.

What did you do tonight?

Did not take a first action, moved redwards, used the lift.

What? Why would you waste an action?

[Haddock]

Vote: Gkrieg L-1

Gkrieg is the least present of the people in the top half. So that seems like a good choice.

How does this make sense?

Haven't had time to catch up. I'm not scum.  If the case on me is just that I was in the top half of the draft and on the wagon yesterday, those are pretty crappy reasons.  Of the votes on me, the ones from LaLight and iguana look the scummiest.  No real reasoning, and very lazy votes.

What did you do tonight?

Did not take a first action, moved redwards, used the lift.

What? Why would you waste an action?

Why not? Saving cards is good if you have nothing efficient to do. And taking lifts when you don't need to is inefficient.

[faust]

Vote: Gkrieg L-1

Gkrieg is the least present of the people in the top half. So that seems like a good choice.

How does this make sense?

Haven't had time to catch up. I'm not scum.  If the case on me is just that I was in the top half of the draft and on the wagon yesterday, those are pretty crappy reasons.  Of the votes on me, the ones from LaLight and iguana look the scummiest.  No real reasoning, and very lazy votes.

What did you do tonight?

Did not take a first action, moved redwards, used the lift.

What? Why would you waste an action?

Why not? Saving cards is good if you have nothing efficient to do. And taking lifts when you don't need to is inefficient.

I was actually looking forward to hearing gkrieg's reply.

[gkrieg13]

Vote: Gkrieg L-1

Gkrieg is the least present of the people in the top half. So that seems like a good choice.

How does this make sense?

Haven't had time to catch up. I'm not scum.  If the case on me is just that I was in the top half of the draft and on the wagon yesterday, those are pretty crappy reasons.  Of the votes on me, the ones from LaLight and iguana look the scummiest.  No real reasoning, and very lazy votes.

What did you do tonight?

Did not take a first action, moved redwards, used the lift.

What? Why would you waste an action?

I just wanted to get down to the bottom level, and also didn't want to ruin everyone else's plans.  I figured there would be more congestion at the central lift, and since I couldn't go blueward, I figured going red and using the lift would be the best choice, that would help other people get down the lift.  I had a couple of other reasons that I would rather not say.

[silverspawn]

It looks like my actions didn't do anything apparently, but I had a very poor choice of cards to play. I refilled the central pool

PPE: 1 (not only me apparently)

One of you is lying obviously... only one of you could have used the lift in phase 2. Unless there is like a lot of people that tried using the lift.

More than 1 person can use a lift in the same phase (every 4 people can use a lift).  I'm not sure why you say "unless a lot of people tried using the lift".  What does people trying to use the lift have to do with it?

Err... for 2 people to successfully use the same lift in the same phase, there need to be 3 more people who tried and failed to use that lift... is that not correct?

I wrote a big post on how we should coordinate lift usage based on the same misunderstanding on day1, before i double checked and realized it didn't work that way...

[silverspawn]

This is all very chaotic, but i guess that's to be expected.

My scum read on faust is waning. But I'm not sure why.

[silverspawn]

Is there any reason why we shouldn't lynch Awaclus except that he also does anti town play as town?

[2.71828.....]

Is there any reason why we shouldn't lynch Awaclus except that he also does anti town play as town?

Not that I can think of

[silverspawn]

I worry that we will just take that as the defualt and don't...

eh what the hell. He's in the top half. vote: awaclus

[Awaclus]

Is there any reason why we shouldn't lynch Awaclus

I have been playing super pro-town.

[Roadrunner7671]

I took two unsuccessful actions and moved bluewards by the way, I don't see a ton of harm in claiming that.

[EFHW]

I've reread gkrieg and see no reason not to lynch him.

I can get behind an Awaclus lynch as well.

[EFHW]

Now reread Haddock. His day one was very much like gkrieg's. The way he came in could have been staged.

Boo!

We weren't supposed to do any Space-Alerty things during N0, right?  Cos I totally lost track of time and did nothing.

He did the hammer with protest. That could also have been staged.

Day two he has given some thought to claiming strategies and his color claiming idea was sensible, even though the rationale was unclear (at least to me) until it was too late to follow it. He could have insisted earlier on - didn't because too busy? because actually didn't care (is scum)? because unsure of himself?

So, I can put scum or town narratives on his play. Reserving judgement for the moment.

[EFHW]

I have townreads on Skumpy and Theorel.

I'm resisting my scumread on faust because that's often my reaction to him. He's too hard to lynch based on what there is now, anyway. Maybe someone will get a chance to investigate him. Would be bonus if we could clear him because doubting him creates a lot of strife.

iguana, RR, Lalight have been negligible contributors to the game. So, kind of like gkrieg, might as well lynch them but I don't have any strong reads there.

silver is interesting. He's been active, kind of volatile, taken positions. I'll read him next to see if there are any patterns to be found. Then e.

[EFHW]

Got through Day 1 and have to go. His theory talk shows he is very motivated and I think he was sincere in his recommendations. His voting seemed haphazard and he was a main driver of the cheesyJelly lynch, though inconsistently so. I went along with it too, so it would be hypocritical to scumread him just for that, but it's there to consider.

I don't want to lynch any active players today.

[gkrieg13]

vote: silver for provoking Awaclus

[faust]

Vote: Gkrieg L-1

Gkrieg is the least present of the people in the top half. So that seems like a good choice.

How does this make sense?

Haven't had time to catch up. I'm not scum.  If the case on me is just that I was in the top half of the draft and on the wagon yesterday, those are pretty crappy reasons.  Of the votes on me, the ones from LaLight and iguana look the scummiest.  No real reasoning, and very lazy votes.

What did you do tonight?

Did not take a first action, moved redwards, used the lift.

What? Why would you waste an action?

I just wanted to get down to the bottom level, and also didn't want to ruin everyone else's plans.  I figured there would be more congestion at the central lift, and since I couldn't go blueward, I figured going red and using the lift would be the best choice, that would help other people get down the lift.  I had a couple of other reasons that I would rather not say.

Well, go ahead and not say them then. But vote: gkrieg

Back to L-1 (I think?)

[faust]

Got through Day 1 and have to go. His theory talk shows he is very motivated and I think he was sincere in his recommendations. His voting seemed haphazard and he was a main driver of the cheesyJelly lynch, though inconsistently so. I went along with it too, so it would be hypocritical to scumread him just for that, but it's there to consider.

I don't want to lynch any active players today.

Problem is that most of the upper half players are active.

I don't want to lynch lower half today.