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[Roadrunner7671]

I was last in the thingy so I can't imagine I have too much to claim

I was just going to prod you!
So I take that to mean that you took no successful mafia game action.

You can take that however you want

[EFHW]

I agree with Skumpy that faust's towny claim is unearned and heavy handed. His scum team pronouncement consists of the two people he tunneled yesterday, silver (why is that?) and me because I was potentially going to be visited by 3 (not two) people. Of course, so was he. I don't expect him to suspect himself, but saying I was going to be visited isn't particularly persuasive. I'm looking back at his narrative, and it sounds like we are being suspected because our positions in the random ordering make a good story.

I don't know if I agree with silver that faust is scum, though. He could be, but I think he would be playing more carefully if he was.

[EFHW]

It seems to me we have a lot more unknown information than just me, e and RR. And there are often legit town reasons for not claiming.

[EFHW]

But since you asked, sort of, I can confirm that silver had no targets last night.

[faust]

It seems to me we have a lot more unknown information than just me, e and RR. And there are often legit town reasons for not claiming.

Well sure. And if someone comes out with an investigative result (as I suppose you just did), then that's a good reason for sure. But if not, then it just looks like intentional stalling.

For the record, I'm suspicious of you because of the way you handled the end of day yesterday. I thought I might be onto something with the weak visiting, but those actions being disabled probably in 2 phases means there's nothing there.

[EFHW]

3: theorel
4: gkrieg
5: silverspawn
6: Haddock
7: EFHW

These guys

I hope you aren't including me as getting scum points for being in the upper half, because Space confirmed that #7 was not considered upper half. I'm not there because I asked to be.

[EFHW]

It seems to me we have a lot more unknown information than just me, e and RR. And there are often legit town reasons for not claiming.

Well sure. And if someone comes out with an investigative result (as I suppose you just did), then that's a good reason for sure. But if not, then it just looks like intentional stalling.

For the record, I'm suspicious of you because of the way you handled the end of day yesterday. I thought I might be onto something with the weak visiting, but those actions being disabled probably in 2 phases means there's nothing there.

What did I do end of day that was suspicious?

[faust]

It seems to me we have a lot more unknown information than just me, e and RR. And there are often legit town reasons for not claiming.

Well sure. And if someone comes out with an investigative result (as I suppose you just did), then that's a good reason for sure. But if not, then it just looks like intentional stalling.

For the record, I'm suspicious of you because of the way you handled the end of day yesterday. I thought I might be onto something with the weak visiting, but those actions being disabled probably in 2 phases means there's nothing there.

What did I do end of day that was suspicious?

You were voting for CheesyJelly and were really worried about us failing to reach a majority even though he was at L-1. It seemed fake.

[EFHW]

It seems to me we have a lot more unknown information than just me, e and RR. And there are often legit town reasons for not claiming.

Well sure. And if someone comes out with an investigative result (as I suppose you just did), then that's a good reason for sure. But if not, then it just looks like intentional stalling.

For the record, I'm suspicious of you because of the way you handled the end of day yesterday. I thought I might be onto something with the weak visiting, but those actions being disabled probably in 2 phases means there's nothing there.

What did I do end of day that was suspicious?

You were voting for CheesyJelly and were really worried about us failing to reach a majority even though he was at L-1. It seemed fake.

Right. I'd been skimming and saw people talking about switching but missed that a hammer vote was expected.

[SpaceAnemone]

Vote Count 2.1

silverspawn (2): faust, LaLight
faust (2): Roadrunner7671, silverspawn
Awaclus (2): Skumpy, theorel
Not Voting (6): Haddock, gkrieg13, EFHW, iguanaiguana, Awaclus, 2.71828.....

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
D2 ends at noon forum time on Friday 9th February.

[silverspawn]

As I see it, there are  about zero events that are less likely to have occurred with faust being mafia and several that are more likely to have occurred, such as

1) faust arguing for wiggling the mouse
2) faust pursuing this case on me right now
3) faust not wanting us to claim colors
4) faust not dying N1

It's funny how you always throw around dirt and try to see what sticks, but never actually back things up with a vote.

Liar.

vote: faust

[silverspawn]

I mean, you just voted faust, so...

Reversed stupidity is not intelligence. If a psychopath says the sky is blue that doesn't make the sky green. If LaLight gives a nonsensical reason why faust is scum, that doesn't make him town. I didn't vote for faust because he talked about the setup.

[silverspawn]

Also what evidence do we actually have that he's town? Like, none?

What evidence do we actually have that you are town?

False equivalence. You are the one who came out declaring yourself an IC.

[silverspawn]

I think you should coordinate. I didn't roleblock.

Notably silver seemed to trust me before he launched full swing into OMGUS-mode.

That was before you started doing ridiculous things, and before I realized that I don't actually have a reason to think you're town. The way you just named yourself the towniest player made me not question it.

[silverspawn]

Simple question for silver: Why did you not use Cop?

Because I thought this was better. We established that upper blue is bad and we probably shouldn't go there. This is why I expected that my action would very likely to through (and why it being blocked is odd). I also expected most people to go red.

And I had a town read on you EoD1, and confirming town!you, in particular, is high value. I wanted that guarantee so that no-one has to be paranoid of scum!you doing exactly what you're doing right now.

[silverspawn]

Now can you explain why you didn't want people to claim colors?

[silverspawn]

and I have faked townslips as town before multiple times. faust had me as his top town read yesterday, and now a TOWN SLIP made him put me at the other end of the list? Come on.

I had you as my top townread early D1, certainly not by the end of D1.

Why not?

[Awaclus]

and I have faked townslips as town before multiple times. faust had me as his top town read yesterday, and now a TOWN SLIP made him put me at the other end of the list? Come on.

I had you as my top townread early D1, certainly not by the end of D1.

Why not?

Why should you be the top townread by the end of D1?

[faust]

Simple question for silver: Why did you not use Cop?

Because I thought this was better. We established that upper blue is bad and we probably shouldn't go there. This is why I expected that my action would very likely to through (and why it being blocked is odd). I also expected most people to go red.

And I had a town read on you EoD1, and confirming town!you, in particular, is high value. I wanted that guarantee so that no-one has to be paranoid of scum!you doing exactly what you're doing right now.

There would have been a good answer to my question, unfortunately, this is not it.

It should have been obvious to you that your action will go through no matter which action you take due to the plan.

[faust]

Now can you explain why you didn't want people to claim colors?

Because I do not want scum to know who of us are on the lower deck. And because i don't see how it would benefit town.

[faust]

Liar.

Can we just turn it down a notch, please?

[faust]

Also what evidence do we actually have that he's town? Like, none?

What evidence do we actually have that you are town?

False equivalence. You are the one who came out declaring yourself an IC.

Well okay.

I'm town because I did townie things. If you look at the Jelly wagon, I was the first to point out that he was scummy, then scum kind of felt it's safe to sheep, and then I got worried about that wagon, because these very dynamics, and the fact that people seemed reluctant to vote elsewhere, suggested a scum-driven thing.

I have pushed strategies that I think are optimal. Which let's be honest I'd probably do as either alignment. But you seem to be painting this as scummy because I disagree with you. theorel actually has much of the same views. Is he my scumpartner then? What exactly does scum get out of this?

I have deliberately spread some WIFOM about me being nightkillled (stuff like "I'll probably die N1") so that scum won't know if that's a good idea. little reason for that as scum.

I am town because I do townie things. I have tried hard to build an alternative to Jelly. I have been actively pushing the game forward. You can see a natural progression in my reads on people that is hard to fabricate.

And last but not least, I townslipped D1. Rememberß so according to you I should be solidly town now.

[faust]

But since you asked, sort of, I can confirm that silver had no targets last night.

Still I guess this is enough for me to go back to Vote: RR

Reluctantly.

[silverspawn]

And last but not least, I townslipped D1. Rememberß so according to you I should be solidly town now.

You sorta-slipped. The information you didn't know was only somewhat more likely to be known by scum than by town. But yes, I'm aware of that.

I'm not super duper confident scum on you, but probably more than on anyone else, I think.

[faust]

We need to hear from e.

Request prod on e