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Re: Dominion: Antiquity (WIP! Please help!)
« Reply #50 on: March 23, 2017, 08:18:55 pm »
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Riches (4)
Treasure
$4
When you buy a card using this, trash all the other treasures you used to buy that card.
I like the potential in this one. So you only buy one, and this ultimately becomes the only Treasure in the deck, and so it sets up engines. I think it needs virtual coin to work rather than make it OP, as other Treasures are almost worthless as one-shots (buy a gold for 6, it pays back only half of that). I have two questions with this: is 4 the right price for it? You can easily get a 5-8 cost card by turn 4, and trash some coppers at the same time. Which leads to, how do you declare what Treasures you use to pay for cards? Suppose I have a hand of Riches and 3 Coppers and want to buy a 4 cost card. Can I declare paying the three Coppers on it, perhaps by playing them first, or would the Riches always be the whole cost?
What do you mean 'declare'?
If you want to trash the coppers, then play them with the riches. If not, you can buy the cost card with only the Riches.
That said, the wording on this card needs to be improved. It should say "trash all the other treasures you have in play."

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Re: Dominion: Antiquity (WIP! Please help!)
« Reply #51 on: March 24, 2017, 02:26:16 am »
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The problem, I think, is that the wording of the card suggests that you're somehow keeping track of where the coins came from that you're using to buy a card, which has never been necessary before. For example, if I have 2 Buys, and I play Riches, a Silver and a Copper, can I buy a Duchy and an Estate and claim that I only "used" the Riches and the Copper to buy the Duchy, so only the Copper gets trashed?

I agree that a more manageable wording would be something like "When you buy a card with this in play, trash all non-Riches Treasures you have in play", but does that line up with the intended design?
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Re: Dominion: Antiquity (WIP! Please help!)
« Reply #52 on: March 24, 2017, 09:42:57 am »
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The problem, I think, is that the wording of the card suggests that you're somehow keeping track of where the coins came from that you're using to buy a card, which has never been necessary before. For example, if I have 2 Buys, and I play Riches, a Silver and a Copper, can I buy a Duchy and an Estate and claim that I only "used" the Riches and the Copper to buy the Duchy, so only the Copper gets trashed?

I agree that a more manageable wording would be something like "When you buy a card with this in play, trash all non-Riches Treasures you have in play", but does that line up with the intended design?
One noteworthy difference to me seems to be that two Riches with the original wording seem capable of trashing each other. That's easily remedied, though.

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Re: Dominion: Antiquity (WIP! Please help!)
« Reply #53 on: March 24, 2017, 09:59:30 am »
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The problem, I think, is that the wording of the card suggests that you're somehow keeping track of where the coins came from that you're using to buy a card, which has never been necessary before. For example, if I have 2 Buys, and I play Riches, a Silver and a Copper, can I buy a Duchy and an Estate and claim that I only "used" the Riches and the Copper to buy the Duchy, so only the Copper gets trashed?

I agree that a more manageable wording would be something like "When you buy a card with this in play, trash all non-Riches Treasures you have in play", but does that line up with the intended design?
One noteworthy difference to me seems to be that two Riches with the original wording seem capable of trashing each other. That's easily remedied, though.

The main reason for that odd wording was to ensure that buying multiple cards wouldn't kill your Treasures immediately; that said it's probably better to just say "If this is in play, when you clean this up, trash all other Treasures you have in play." (of course in better language)

Edit: "At the end of your buy phase, if you bought a card while this was in play, trash all the other treasures you have in play."?
« Last Edit: March 24, 2017, 10:02:57 am by Neirai the Forgiven »
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Re: Dominion: Antiquity (WIP! Please help!)
« Reply #54 on: March 24, 2017, 03:01:11 pm »
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A few observations:

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Petroglyph (4)   
Action - Reaction   
+1 Action
Discard any number of cards, then draw until you have 5 cards in hand.
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When you discard this card any time other than during Clean-up, you can reveal it and set it aside.
If you do, discard it at the start of your next turn and draw a Card.
The way the wording on the reaction part reads, when you discard it from setting it aside, it can still be seen as discarding other than during cleanup and you could choose to set it aside again. This can be a nifty choice you can make, if you draw a good hand and don't need the extra card. You could even stock them up and draw several cards at once for a mega turn. It's a nice feature, I just wonder if it was intended.
Not intended, but I might just keep it....

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Obelisk (5)
Action - Reaction - Attack
+2 Cards
You may trash two differently named cards from your hand. If you do, +[VP per $2 one of them costs.
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When you discard this card any time other than during Clean-up, you can reveal it. If you do, each other player gains a Curse.
Agree with the comments made on the reaction part. The top part alone looks strong compared to Bishop, with the card draw as well, but the trashing two different cards may be enough of a setback. Either way, you'll need to say '(round down)' for odd-number costs.
"1 VP per $2" already implies round down.
I've changed the reaction to "When you discard this on another player's turn...."

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Inspector (3)
Action - Attack
+2 Cards
Reveal then discard 2 cards.
Per card discarded, each other player with 4 or more cards in hand dicards a copy of it (or reveals a hand with no copies.)
I assume you reveal from your hand?
Yes.

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Collector (4)
Action
+$2
Reveal and trash the top card of your deck to gain a card that shares a type with it that costs up to $3 more.
Mine deals exclusively with Treasures and costs 5. Rebuild does Victories and is 5, and Expand is 7. I doubt the randomness and same-type restriction reduces the cost that much, especially as it doesn't interfere with your hand.
I'm thinking I'll drop the +$2 from it for now, and test it at that level. Otherwise I'll test it at $6.

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Ziggurat (4)
Action
You may discard cards from the top of your deck until there are 3 cards in your discard pile.
You may trash up to two cards from your discard pile.
If you trashed a card, you may play a card from your discard pile.
Can it play a Treasure? Could you bring an Estate or another pure Victory into play to Bonfire it?
Yes.
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Re: Dominion: Antiquity (WIP! Please help!)
« Reply #55 on: March 24, 2017, 05:42:57 pm »
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If you keep Petroglyph as is, it becomes a Hireling.

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Re: Dominion: Antiquity (WIP! Please help!)
« Reply #56 on: March 24, 2017, 06:10:10 pm »
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If you keep Petroglyph as is, it becomes a Hireling.
Right. Therefore I need to change the reaction to make it more explicit.

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+1 Action
Discard any number of cards, then draw until you have 5 cards in hand.
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When you discard this card during an Action phase, you can reveal it and set it aside.
If you do, during your next Clean-up phase, discard it and draw a card.
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Re: Dominion: Antiquity (WIP! Please help!)
« Reply #57 on: March 25, 2017, 04:58:00 am »
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If you keep Petroglyph as is, it becomes a Hireling.
Right. Therefore I need to change the reaction to make it more explicit.

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+1 Action
Discard any number of cards, then draw until you have 5 cards in hand.
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When you discard this card during an Action phase, you can reveal it and set it aside.
If you do, during your next Clean-up phase, discard it and draw a card.
How about saying "when discarded from hand other than during Clean-up"?
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Re: Dominion: Antiquity (WIP! Please help!)
« Reply #58 on: March 25, 2017, 06:25:08 am »
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If you keep Petroglyph as is, it becomes a Hireling.
Right. Therefore I need to change the reaction to make it more explicit.

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+1 Action
Discard any number of cards, then draw until you have 5 cards in hand.
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When you discard this card during an Action phase, you can reveal it and set it aside.
If you do, during your next Clean-up phase, discard it and draw a card.
How about saying "when discarded from hand other than during Clean-up"?
Then it can't be triggered by e.g. Cartographer. Not sure that's a bad thing, though.

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Re: Dominion: Antiquity (WIP! Please help!)
« Reply #59 on: March 25, 2017, 08:30:55 am »
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+1 Action
Discard any number of cards, then draw until you have 5 cards in hand.
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When you discard this card during an Action phase, you can reveal it and set it aside.
If you do, during your next Clean-up phase, discard it and draw a card.
Firstly I'm guessing you want Petroglyph to increase the handsize of a later turn's hand, as you could easily say 'when you discard this other than during Clean-up, you may reveal it for +1 card' so it replaces itself this turn.
If you do, it seems a bit strange to 'draw a card' during Clean-up, because you draw 5 for your next hand anyway. I would find better sense with
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...Clean-up, you may set it aside. If you do, discard it during your next Clean-up to draw an extra card for your​ next turn's hand.
Or if you want to do what it did before without it becoming Hireling, maybe:
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When you would discard this other than during Clean-up, you may reveal and set it aside instead. If you do, discard it at the start of your next turn for +1 card.

So you buy several Petroglyphs​ as they both cycle and can make themselves delayed Labs if they clash. 4 is a good price for this, or maybe 3 could work?
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Re: Dominion: Antiquity (WIP! Please help!)
« Reply #60 on: March 27, 2017, 01:21:05 pm »
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Guys, just thought I'd pop up to say a big thank you! I played my first ever set of 100% Antiquity cards this weekend (all prior tests have been mixtures of Donald X cards and Antiquity.) Somewhat to my surprise, the games were fun and flowed well, although the higher average cost of Antiquity cards meant that the games took longer than I'd like, so that's being revisited.

Thanks for all your ongoing support -- the set has gone from weak to fun in a very short time.
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Re: Dominion: Antiquity (WIP! Please help!)
« Reply #61 on: March 27, 2017, 02:40:05 pm »
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When you would discard this other than during Clean-up, you may reveal and set it aside instead. If you do, discard it at the start of your next turn for +1 card.

I was so sure I already replied to this... Ah well. This wording doesn't change the fact the card ultimately will attempt to be discarded and get set aside again each turn. It's still a Hireling.

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Re: Dominion: Antiquity (WIP! Please help!)
« Reply #62 on: March 27, 2017, 05:07:13 pm »
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Yes, you're right. Anyhow, it would still behave more like a duration or reserve than a Tunnel reaction, so Neirai's way is cleaner.
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