eevee:
a thingOkay, I feel I understood the meaning of maybe 10% of what's been posted previously here, and even that 10% is somewhat confusing because it's Ash's semi-claim, which is a very interesting but also difficult piece to the puzzle. Glad we have one on the board already, I feel it's a much better start than pure RVS with no substance that can stall for days in worst cases.
It's so fun to be playing with ash again!
As for the claim, I don't know, my natural first reaction is to buy it until evidence to the contrary surfaces, but also be on the lookout for such evidence. There is always just one UB, so if ash is scum, he is basically saying he is willing to trade 1:1 with the backup (at best), which just seems like a terrible deal for scum. UB is definitely a strong role, but it won't have any utility until someone with a PR goes down (knock on wood), and even after he could inherit something completely useless (if the role was 1-shot and the shot is already used up), so it's not like game-changingly strong, or even close to that.
It seems a little suicidal for ash to do this as town but not the UB, as I would assume most people as the real UB would simply counterclaim ash immediately, putting town in a horrible situation for no gain whatsoever (as far as I can tell, anyways). I got to believe ash would realize this, and probably wouldn't want to proceed with such a plan.
So, as I don't think ash would do this as town if he wasn't the UB, I think if there is another UB out there, they should claim because ash is then likely just scum with a crazy vision, which would seem extremely far-fetched, but ash if anyone is willing to go down for his team if he feels its the best course of action.
But, probably, ash is just the UB, and wanted to get us going with a claim. Which seems fine to me, having a IC is pretty fun, and this comes with potential additional powers if they make it to later in the game.
i mean. i don't think i fully registered this at the time, but this is just overt town PR hunting. if ash was UB and wanted to claim UB, he would have claimed UB. eevee also suggests that idptg should have counterclaimed, which would have been
really bad. and in talking about it to this extent, he more or less softclaimed not-UB, which is why you don't do that.
also note that he pretty ardently thought ash was the UB, and ash got nightkilled.
Vote: Eevee
Maybe if I start voting for people, it'll start a wagon.
This is a great idea.
Vote: Joseph
eevee would later call this an RVS vote, though that's a bit ambiguous. and late for an RVS vote.
Vote: Joseph
Reread him, I could definitely see a scum narrative in his voting history (first voted for ashersky, when the tide turned against lynching ash, changed his position to "town because of his antics). Nothing really struck to me as towny in his posting either, hard to put a finger on it but I don't get the impression he is trying to figure things out, more that he wants a lynch through that isn't him. This claim question strengthens that impression, I think town is more concerned with concealing their role because it's better for town regardless of your role, whereas scum might be more anxious to claim because they think it might help get them out of hot water. Basically, for town one can think "well, if I die, it might actually help us win if it happens in the right way", whereas scum MUST avoid getting lynched day 1, because if they go down their team is in very big trouble.
L-2, if I do my math right.
Yeah, it looked to me like scum explaining their way onto a mislynch.
plus, have you, like, played with joseph before?
Woah lots of stuff happened. I don't like the hammer from pps with zero announcement. I guess I don't find it overly scummy but I don't like it.
Is there any way Joseph is Lying so I don't have to figure out the setup implications of what is going on and we just hit scum?
Joseph is IC, no way around it.
Slight scum points for mcmc for trying to suggest Joseph is not an IC. I don't think this applies to such an experienced player like mcmc, but in general I think it's scum's first instinct to try to discredit any IC that is arising.
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That Joseph went poof after supposedly resurrecting himself immediately after the lynch looks super duper fishy to me. I mean, when I am scum I troll the twilight for the lulz, but most do exactly what he just did.
and he made the assertion without even, like, looking for himself whether joseph was an IC
but this proclaiming your excellence I think gives scum more of a mandate to make bold moves later, as you quote back to this post showing how good you are.
...he said, about someone other than pps, in a game with pps in it. bold moves... oh, you mean, like, quickhammering d1?
Ok. I at least know what happened now. I see little incentive to keep posting reads and stuff here for town. I feel like any further information we have can be saved til Day2 without letting mafia benefit from it going into the night.
I think the more OMGUS we give to mafia going into night the better.
I feel this is veryyy scummy. For town, the risk of unnecessarily giving mafia information should be far outweighed by the worry of dying in the night and never getting to say your piece, right? Like, aren't you worried that your scarce contributions might trigger a trigger-happy vig, even if you think scum would likely go for someone who has been more active?
It holds especially true to you, as you haven't had a chance to say anything all day! A penny for your thoughts, man. Better give them while you can, you never know. If you have insights that might be that relevant to scum, town is very interested in hearing them as well.
no followup on this
For the record, it probably seems I'm way more certain about mcmc than I actually am, I could see him being scum. It feels redundant to write "it's still only day 2 and any of these reads could change completely, especially with pr information", but of course things could change still.
live and die by the hedge
Andrew, if you flip town, we'll take another look at your mcmc posts.
woof.
this implies more that andrew is town if eevee is scum than that eevee is scum (though i do believe the latter)
98% on idptg
but, no. think about it. if idptg is fakeclaiming, the real one steps in (and for some reason has taken a very long time to do so, in maybe mylo) and counterclaims. either we lynch scum, or we lynch UB. oh, except UB has that one governor thing from a while ago. so that doesn't work out very well, whoops.
he hasn't given out any townreads today; the best he did was agreeing with ww's moderately-hedged townread of TWM.
eevee's interactions with pps really make them look like, at the very least, the same alignment. they mutually indirectly/sketchily townread each other for kind of a while that isn't at all characteristic of the pockety/buddy-y/manipulative stuff that happens in scum on town. in theory they could just be town, but that would (fmpov) require a lot of other much more difficult assumptions (robz scum, partnered with andrew (which i talked about, though people seem to think it's fine) and TWM (l0l) or ww scum, partnered with at least one of the people whomst's'f'e is hard pushing the lynch)
pps, to me, looks narrowly more scummy in isolation, but i think the two have very similar chances of flipping red (i.e., if i'm not totally off base)
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