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Re: M96: Fibonacci Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #750 on: March 15, 2017, 05:13:37 pm »

I agree with mcmc on Dylan, except I don't think it's necessarily scummy, I see it as a sincere attempt to reread and scumhunt and just not knowing exactly what he should be looking for and confusing a consistent townread for buddying. And also more scum points for mcmc for immediately jumping on a new player's attempt to properly contribute.

As for mcmc's other post, it's really easy (and suspicious) to call the last two people on a wagon scummy, though I happen to agree about pps being scummy for how he quickhammered. You say I jumped from one wagon to another and that's what's scummy. It is? There were a lot of other people who switched wagons yesterday including you switching from ash but I'm not pointing to it calling it scummy because it's not (correct me if I'm remembering this wrong). I think you suddenly have a scum read on me because I'm voting for you and that's pretty much the extent of it.
In regards to your thoughts on dylan, yes you can chalk up some of his misguided cases to being a newbie but nothing I have seen from dylan in other games makes me think he is newbish player and doesn't know what he should be looking for. This is in contrast to idp who I do think might just feel awkward and not know when to post what. It is also in contrast to twm who simply wasn't making cases with his limited reads so I pushed him to do that. Again these are the theee players who were off wagon, have very low post counts, and aren't making great cases. I find all of them varying degrees of scummy, dylan the most so from his defenses and reactions to being called out.

As for my read on you it's more specific to how you moved and why. If you read I was suspicious of ash, then ash made a bit of a case on me, then I made a self admittedly omgussy countercase on ash, luckily many people weighed in robz/eevee/ww(i think)/twm and mentioned it really looked like town on town. I agreed and moved away from ash on to Joseph because he was making some very unhelpful posts at a time I thought it very scummy. Then robz/schadd/we all join me voting for Joseph and you say:
What's the case on Joseph?

I don't think there was ever an answer to this question, although I'm guessing the case is "too much joking around".
You also make another post stating you agree with pps day 1 is frustrating and that if town doesn't want to lynch me because I'm being active that's okay but whose to say I won't start lurking later and that lurkers might start contributing. So this is really doubling down on you don't want to vote for Joseph and you want to lynch me. But then Joseph makes a comment about him going to claim and eevee makes a case against Joseph that is pretty much the same as my case and the reason other are voting him. You say this:
Maybe someone should start claiming.
Unless I get 6 objections in the next 3 hours, I will claim

And here I thought we'd left this behind earlier D1...besides, you already claimed SK. Is there a reason you want to bring us back to RVS style posts?

I agree, I don't like this claim post at all. Eevee's assessment makes sense, though I'm not sure why he didn't want to commit to a vote after making his case. I'll do it for him.

vote: Joseph L-1
So your move to Joseph come a little out of no where compared to your reads before. It also looks like you knew Joseph was at l-2 when you voted because you correctly say l-1 but you think eevee hasn't voted when he did. You correct yourself moments later but it's still strange. It feels a bit like you really preferred getting the lynch to go to me but you werent getting anywhere so once joesph looked like eevee was going to vote you quickly voted so as not to be in hammer position.
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Re: M96: Fibonacci Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #751 on: March 15, 2017, 05:19:24 pm »

So I have more of a scum read on andrew then I remembered.
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Re: M96: Fibonacci Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #752 on: March 15, 2017, 05:26:28 pm »

Eh,

Vote: Andrew
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Re: M96: Fibonacci Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #753 on: March 15, 2017, 05:35:43 pm »

I know who I really think is town and scum but my vote doesn't reflect nor many if any of my posts.

Is that cool or what?
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Re: M96: Fibonacci Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #754 on: March 15, 2017, 05:38:17 pm »

I know who I really think is town and scum but my vote doesn't reflect nor many if any of my posts.

Is that cool or what?

Let's not be so open about you trying to replicate your town meta!
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Re: M96: Fibonacci Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #755 on: March 15, 2017, 05:38:24 pm »

I feel we need a translator here. Anyone fluent in PPS?
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Re: M96: Fibonacci Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #756 on: March 15, 2017, 05:38:50 pm »

WW joking so much about being scum is weird.
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Re: M96: Fibonacci Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #757 on: March 15, 2017, 05:49:10 pm »

I feel we need a translator here. Anyone fluent in PPS?

It's old hat. What you see me do is nothing about what I am doing. It's all scum traps that I just have to resist town throwing me in.

Things are coming to a head, though, it should be apparent.
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Re: M96: Fibonacci Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #758 on: March 15, 2017, 05:50:34 pm »

Queue some kind of music.
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Re: M96: Fibonacci Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #759 on: March 15, 2017, 06:01:46 pm »

Queue some kind of music.

I was thinking something from Benny Hill.
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Re: M96: Fibonacci Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #760 on: March 15, 2017, 06:02:00 pm »

I'm thinking the song from Jaws.
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Re: M96: Fibonacci Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #761 on: March 15, 2017, 06:12:00 pm »

To say that me making a misguided case is scummy for me indicates that you clearly haven't read my last few games... Although I don't actually think I'm wrong here, I guess it wouldn't surprise me too much if I am just because of recent history.
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Re: M96: Fibonacci Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #762 on: March 15, 2017, 06:16:55 pm »

But I do recognize that I haven't made a proper case yet on anyone really, which is the main reason I'm not actually voting yet. My last two long posts were meant to be informative, not persuasive. I wanted everyone to be able review the Eevee and mcmc interactions in their entirety to see if my gut was right or not. In the end, I saw less of it from mcmc to Eevee than I thought I would, but even when I consistently town read someone, I never reject all evidence or arguments that they are scum out of hand unless I have PR evidence that confirms it. The fact Eevee consistently defends mcmc seems more like buddying to me than a normal strong townread.
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Re: M96: Fibonacci Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #763 on: March 15, 2017, 06:23:28 pm »

Dylan: Agree with what mcmc has been laying out. Seems.. calculated?

From my perspective it looks like he felt pressure to post something of great substance. I think Dylan even commented on that earlier. You could probably make a meme out of it.

Is told he is scummy because he isn't posting substance
{picture of Dylan's avatar}
Gets told he is scummy when he tries to produce something of substance.

Which isn't to say that we shouldn't necessarily analyze it, but I do understand that being told you need to post something makes you feel a little (or a lot) more compelled to go and try and find something and I think my posts have somewhat reflected feeling that pressure as well.

So I would call it forced rather than calculated. And I think there is a difference.
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Re: M96: Fibonacci Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #764 on: March 15, 2017, 06:24:11 pm »

To say that me making a misguided case is scummy for me indicates that you clearly haven't read my last few games... Although I don't actually think I'm wrong here, I guess it wouldn't surprise me too much if I am just because of recent history.

Although I dislike this sort of self reflective/depreciative post quite a bit.
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Re: M96: Fibonacci Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #765 on: March 15, 2017, 06:26:37 pm »

As for my read on you it's more specific to how you moved and why. If you read I was suspicious of ash, then ash made a bit of a case on me, then I made a self admittedly omgussy countercase on ash, luckily many people weighed in robz/eevee/ww(i think)/twm and mentioned it really looked like town on town. I agreed and moved away from ash on to Joseph because he was making some very unhelpful posts at a time I thought it very scummy. Then robz/schadd/we all join me voting for Joseph and you say:
What's the case on Joseph?

I don't think there was ever an answer to this question, although I'm guessing the case is "too much joking around".
You also make another post stating you agree with pps day 1 is frustrating and that if town doesn't want to lynch me because I'm being active that's okay but whose to say I won't start lurking later and that lurkers might start contributing. So this is really doubling down on you don't want to vote for Joseph and you want to lynch me. But then Joseph makes a comment about him going to claim and eevee makes a case against Joseph that is pretty much the same as my case and the reason other are voting him. You say this:
Maybe someone should start claiming.
Unless I get 6 objections in the next 3 hours, I will claim

And here I thought we'd left this behind earlier D1...besides, you already claimed SK. Is there a reason you want to bring us back to RVS style posts?

I agree, I don't like this claim post at all. Eevee's assessment makes sense, though I'm not sure why he didn't want to commit to a vote after making his case. I'll do it for him.

vote: Joseph L-1
So your move to Joseph come a little out of no where compared to your reads before. It also looks like you knew Joseph was at l-2 when you voted because you correctly say l-1 but you think eevee hasn't voted when he did. You correct yourself moments later but it's still strange. It feels a bit like you really preferred getting the lynch to go to me but you werent getting anywhere so once joesph looked like eevee was going to vote you quickly voted so as not to be in hammer position.

Well it was very clear that we weren't going to lynch you and I didn't really have any scum reads on anyone else. I didn't have a problem with him joking earlier really but at that point I thought it was a little much and I thought RVS lasted way too long anyway. Honestly I didn't even think we were going to lynch Joseph. I expectesd him to claim and then maybe a couple people to unvote and then we could argue some more and decide on a better lynch but.... pps happened.

As for me knowing my vote was L-1 but not catching Eevee's vote... I dunno. Maybe I saw the vote count before Eevee voted and misread it somehow.
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Re: M96: Fibonacci Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #766 on: March 15, 2017, 06:36:38 pm »

By the way I think it's interesting mcmc says I'm scummy for voting when I did because I supposedly didn't want to hammer but says nothing about these votes:

Vote: Joseph

Vote: Joseph

indeed

vote: joseph

Confirming what I said earlier about only focusing on the last people to vote on the wagon. Easy and convenient.
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Re: M96: Fibonacci Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #767 on: March 15, 2017, 06:38:11 pm »

For the record,  it probably seems I'm way more certain about mcmc than I actually am, I could see him being scum. It feels redundant to write "it's still only day 2 and any of these reads could change completely, especially with pr information", but of course things could change still.
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Re: M96: Fibonacci Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #768 on: March 15, 2017, 06:54:19 pm »

So i'm 99% sure mcmc was online when I asked that question and then left without answering. I'm not going to base a read on that, but it should at least be on the record as a small note.

Did Dylan ever explain what that was all about? If not, Dylan, could you explain what that was all about?

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Re: M96: Fibonacci Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #769 on: March 15, 2017, 09:42:48 pm »

So i'm 99% sure mcmc was online when I asked that question and then left without answering. I'm not going to base a read on that, but it should at least be on the record as a small note.

Did Dylan ever explain what that was all about? If not, Dylan, could you explain what that was all about?

So according to the terminology page, if you declare DAMA, you have to answer every answer truthfully even up to admitting you are scum. When I read and posted that, the site still showed he was online. I noticed he either went offline or the computer finally updated and showed he was offline after that, and so I thought someone who knew what DAMA was would likely know the line about having to answer truthfully. If the roles were flipped, I know I would have just gone offline and acted like I didn't see it rather than posting a lie or admitting to being scum. Thus I made a note of it. However, I am not actually naive enough to expect someone to actually admit to being scum, which is why I said it was a small note not worthy of being the basis of a read, but a note nonetheless because it is what I would have done if confronted by that scenario. (not that I ever would be because I don't actually drink)
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Re: M96: Fibonacci Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #770 on: March 15, 2017, 09:45:42 pm »

So i'm 99% sure mcmc was online when I asked that question and then left without answering. I'm not going to base a read on that, but it should at least be on the record as a small note.

Did Dylan ever explain what that was all about? If not, Dylan, could you explain what that was all about?

But of everything else that is happened and my recent posts, this is what you want to ask me about?  The timing of this question seems kind of scummy.
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Re: M96: Fibonacci Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #771 on: March 15, 2017, 10:15:12 pm »

So i'm 99% sure mcmc was online when I asked that question and then left without answering. I'm not going to base a read on that, but it should at least be on the record as a small note.

Did Dylan ever explain what that was all about? If not, Dylan, could you explain what that was all about?

But of everything else that is happened and my recent posts, this is what you want to ask me about?  The timing of this question seems kind of scummy.

Oh, yeah, the timing's awful. I play this game on my phone and I have two tabs to this game open. One is the current page, the other is all the posts that I refresh every now and then. Apparently that post is where I left off on my last attempted reread so it was the first thing I saw when I switched tabs. So it came to mind. But I don't see how the timing has anything to do with the seriousness of the question. Especially because the DAMA entry doesn't say what you say it does.

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Re: M96: Fibonacci Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #772 on: March 16, 2017, 12:13:45 am »

So i'm 99% sure mcmc was online when I asked that question and then left without answering. I'm not going to base a read on that, but it should at least be on the record as a small note.

Did Dylan ever explain what that was all about? If not, Dylan, could you explain what that was all about?

But of everything else that is happened and my recent posts, this is what you want to ask me about?  The timing of this question seems kind of scummy.

Oh, yeah, the timing's awful. I play this game on my phone and I have two tabs to this game open. One is the current page, the other is all the posts that I refresh every now and then. Apparently that post is where I left off on my last attempted reread so it was the first thing I saw when I switched tabs. So it came to mind. But I don't see how the timing has anything to do with the seriousness of the question. Especially because the DAMA entry doesn't say what you say it does.

Well, now that I reread it, it is definitely less forceful in describing DAMA than what I remembered. Had I realized that it said "possibly even admitting" as opposed to more being required to answer, there's 0 chance I would have actually made that comment.
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Re: M96: Fibonacci Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #773 on: March 16, 2017, 01:42:36 am »

As for me knowing my vote was L-1 but not catching Eevee's vote... I dunno. Maybe I saw the vote count before Eevee voted and misread it somehow.

Maybe it's because of the way I vote, but this just doesn't seem right.

@Anyone-but-Andrew is it semi-common for people to miss L-1s and 2s?

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Re: M96: Fibonacci Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #774 on: March 16, 2017, 02:16:37 am »

As for me knowing my vote was L-1 but not catching Eevee's vote... I dunno. Maybe I saw the vote count before Eevee voted and misread it somehow.

Maybe it's because of the way I vote, but this just doesn't seem right.

@Anyone-but-Andrew is it semi-common for people to miss L-1s and 2s?

Ok so if I was scum what exactly would I have to gain from putting Joseph at L-1 and then pretending like I missed Eevee's vote and then pretending like I noticed it immediately afterwards?
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