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[mcmcsalot]

Prod: The Wine Merchant

Woah your the one that prodded TWM. Interesting you have said nothin but your agreement with robz about ash's post. Pretty scummy, it seems like you were mulling over who to make a post about and realized TWM had been gone so you then posted a prod in place of content.

[mcmcsalot]

i would like to lynch eevee

I think I get why but I'm curious for you to elaborate, I actually have eevee as towny currently.

i would prefer not to elaborate at this time

That's sad because I find you towny but bad at reading people. So I would like to know if this is a bad read or a scummy one, or an enlightening reason that changes my opinion on eevee.

[mcmcsalot]

In response to wotherweaver, a lot of how you feel about idp hinges upon thinking his response to ash is hedge and that I'd let play out perhaps idp would vote ash. I think ash is actually quite scummy for how he reacted to people reacting to his post so I think it would be normal for town!idp to eventually vote ash. You are taking the stance that A ash is town and B idp is scummy for being hedgy, I really dislike that.

vote: witherweaver

Pps had a much worse response in my opinion be just saying yea it meant nothing and then posting zero other content.

[schadd]

bad at reading people.

in this game or in general?

[mcmcsalot]

Want to lynch: ash, witherweaver, pps
Could be convinced: Joseph, dylan
Don't want to lynch based on my ability to read later: robz, TWM
Townie: eevee, idp, schadd, Andrew

[Witherweaver]

In response to wotherweaver, a lot of how you feel about idp hinges upon thinking his response to ash is hedge and that I'd let play out perhaps idp would vote ash. I think ash is actually quite scummy for how he reacted to people reacting to his post so I think it would be normal for town!idp to eventually vote ash. You are taking the stance that A ash is town and B idp is scummy for being hedgy, I really dislike that.

vote: witherweaver

Pps had a much worse response in my opinion be just saying yea it meant nothing and then posting zero other content.

For what it's worth, Ash is on the slight-town side of null.  (I think he's slightly more likely to do this claim thing as town than as scum.)  It's a little bit circularly reinforced by me thinking idptg is scummy.

[mcmcsalot]

bad at reading people.

in this game or in general?

Small sample size from the mafia 94 where you were wrong about pushing dylan d1 and then only really started pushing me because I was pushing you. That and my thought so far in this game compared to yours. Not hating just my slight opinion.

[Witherweaver]

That's the weirdest early game want-to-lynch list I've ever seen.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

Okay.

First, voting for mod very first post struck me as.. I don't know... too RVS-y.  Maybe like he felt he needed to post something and it seemed novel.  Not a significant feeling by any means.  But enough to pressure.

LaLight's town meta is pretty helpful and he hasn't helped clarify any reads yet.

vote: LaLight

This one felt a little bit guarded, like he starting to feel pressure (I'd been pushing a little bit and schadd voted for him) and didn't really know how to react.  But felt he had to react.  So kind of forced a pseudojoke:

that would be true if you weren't obvtown

Buddying is scummy!

Is there anyone else in this game or is it just us three?

No, I was referring to me, buddyschadd, and Andrew.

Who are your partners?  If you had to lynch one of them, which one would you pick?

Was I one of those three? Because I'm sort of here. A little busy but trying to read nonetheless.

You and schadd, obviously. I guess we could lynch you?

He really hasn't said much else.  This:

The more I think about it, the scummier ash seems. I think it's different than some of the other "may or may not" posts in that it's a semi-open set-up and UB is the only role guaranteed to be in the game. Sure, there's a roll where it isn't, but statistically that's unlikely.

There isn't much to go on so I'm not considering this much of a read but I think it's worth keeping in mind.

feels particularly careful and hedgy.  Note that he doesn't take an "Ash could be scum" type stance until it seems like something that could have support.  (McMc and Joseph have voted for Ash.)  But he doesn't actually vote.  My guess would be if we let this ride out (which I'm not doing, explaining all of this) and there was further impression that voting for Ash was "okay", he would get on the wagon.

I prefer to not explain these things and let them play further (I'm going off little here, more evidence is more better), but you wanted content and not jokes and so there you have it.

I'm on my phone so please excuse the lack of formatting.

Voting for the mod is hardly "novel". It's been done and I started because gkrieg voting you at the beginning of every game and it struck me as amusing. LaLalight has been in every game I've played as either a mod or player. My crowning achievement is getting mod!LaLight onto a vote count.

Spot on. I've never understood why people post read lists with themself as town or feel the need to remind everyone that they're town. Your question seemed the same.

Hedgy and careful pretty much defines my early reads. I don't get more concrete until I feel more strongly about something. The delayed stance is the result of my thinking about it more. Whether you believe that is up to you. As for not voting, I don't vote much.

[Eevee]

Oh, PPS is indeed quite uncharacteristically low on content right now.

I feel WW generally tend to live long and fulfilling lives in all the games he plays - it's weird to see him getting day 1 suspicion.

[schadd]

bad at reading people.

in this game or in general?

Small sample size from the mafia 94 where you were wrong about pushing dylan d1 and then only really started pushing me because I was pushing you. That and my thought so far in this game compared to yours. Not hating just my slight opinion.

sure. i get false positives a lot. i did only start pushing you when you pushed me but there was other stuff.


to boost my ego i would ask that you look at m92 (i was right about gkrieg d1)

[Witherweaver]

Oh, PPS is indeed quite uncharacteristically low on content right now.

I feel WW generally tend to live long and fulfilling lives in all the games he plays - it's weird to see him getting day 1 suspicion.

Never happens to me as scum, so you should go ahead and conftown me.

[Eevee]

Oh, PPS is indeed quite uncharacteristically low on content right now.

I feel WW generally tend to live long and fulfilling lives in all the games he plays - it's weird to see him getting day 1 suspicion.

Never happens to me as scum, so you should go ahead and conftown me.

Funny, after hitting post I immediately wanted to add "and since WW is so known for making it to LYLO as scum, does this mean he must be town?"

[Witherweaver]

Oh hey, this is one of those setups where the UB can get converted.  Ash's post could be read as assuming it exists.  I don't think Ash is a kind of player to overlook this. 

I'm not sure what the implications of that are.

[schadd]

Voting for the mod is hardly "novel". It's been done and I started because gkrieg voting you at the beginning of every game and it struck me as amusing. LaLalight has been in every game I've played as either a mod or player. My crowning achievement is getting mod!LaLight onto a vote count.

it's not novel, but it's silly and useless. RVS can look towny if you have some sort of intention with it, or demonstrate an interest in reading/interacting with some particular person (which scum often does not at the beginning of the day)

[Witherweaver]

Oh, PPS is indeed quite uncharacteristically low on content right now.

I feel WW generally tend to live long and fulfilling lives in all the games he plays - it's weird to see him getting day 1 suspicion.

Never happens to me as scum, so you should go ahead and conftown me.

Funny, after hitting post I immediately wanted to add "and since WW is so known for making it to LYLO as scum, does this mean he must be town?"

I'm known for making it to LyLo as town, not scum.  I don't think I've ever been in LyLo as scum.

[schadd]

I don't think I've ever been in LyLo as scum.

mylo in m90 and in rmm40 (more or less) that i can think of

[IDontPlayThisGame]

Oh hey, this is one of those setups where the UB can get converted.  Ash's post could be read as assuming it exists.  I don't think Ash is a kind of player to overlook this. 

I'm not sure what the implications of that are.

I brought this up earlier. It's statistically unlikely and even if the UB got converted, the UB wouldn't know and be able to counterclaim ash. It's perfectly safe to assume one exists and I don't think assuming one exists means anything.

[Joseph2302]

Oh hey, this is one of those setups where the UB can get converted.  Ash's post could be read as assuming it exists.  I don't think Ash is a kind of player to overlook this. 

I'm not sure what the implications of that are.

I brought this up earlier. It's statistically unlikely and even if the UB got converted, the UB wouldn't know and be able to counterclaim ash. It's perfectly safe to assume one exists and I don't think assuming one exists means anything.

So we learnt nothing basically....

[Eevee]

What does converting the UB mean?

[AndrewisFTTW]

This is going to sound weird but as much as I agree with mcmc about WW and disagree with WW about his reads on IDPTG, I actually find mcmc the scummier of the two. The interaction in past two pages seems like mcmc trying really hard to create a case not really based on much. It looks like to me like WW felt pressured to defend a vote that wasn't really all that serious (correct me if I'm wrong) and this:

I prefer to not explain these things and let them play further (I'm going off little here, more evidence is more better), but you wanted content and not jokes and so there you have it.

is agreeable.

HOWEVER, I don't understand why WW felt compelled to defend himself at all, especially after this:

I'm not going to condition my posting style or the manner in which I play the game on the expectations of people here.

and this:

I'm not going to condition my posting style or the manner in which I play the game on the expectations of people here.

But you signed up for a game where the way people win is through using expectations of how one would play so thanks.

Well, I should rephrase to say, where it doesn't benefit me.  Or "condition to those expectations for their own sake".  Meaning that people that don't like how I play will have to deal with it.

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they were both scum trying to pass this off as a towny interaction later in the game, but I'd rather not go down that rabbit hole right now. For now I think I will

vote: mcmc

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Sorry guys. I still haven't read more than 10 posts yet. I didn't anticipate work being so crazy when I got back. I'll get to this when I get to it. I have already PMed LA and they are ok with me not posting a lot for a bit. I offered to let them replace me, but they declined unless this carried over for a prolonged period of time.

So I'll be back and posting soon. Again, my apologies.

[Witherweaver]

Well McMc specifically asked why I was voting for him; since it's more than an RVS vote I thought it might be good to explain.  I did realize I kind of went back on my just-taken "deal with it" stance as I was typing it up.

[Witherweaver]

What does converting the UB mean?

One V roll means UB is converted to restless Spirit. (Like the Mason scenario in the Ahser9++ version.)

[Witherweaver]

Oh hey, this is one of those setups where the UB can get converted.  Ash's post could be read as assuming it exists.  I don't think Ash is a kind of player to overlook this. 

I'm not sure what the implications of that are.

I brought this up earlier. It's statistically unlikely and even if the UB got converted, the UB wouldn't know and be able to counterclaim ash. It's perfectly safe to assume one exists and I don't think assuming one exists means anything.

There are possibilities, like Ash may think he could glean information based on reactions.  A Restless Spirit would view the claim differently than others.