Your right andrew I'm sorry I'll stop coming up with possible narratives for what people have done because it's a stretch. I'm sorry I don't know your alignment so everything I say is going to be a stretch. Doesn't mean it's not helpful to put it out there as a possible narrative.
Not everything you say is a stretch, but this whole me pretending I missed Eevee's vote in hopes that he hammers fr some reason is most definitely a stretch.
It's not pretending. You missed eevee's vote(fact), you were aware Joseph was at l-2 before you voted(fact), you expected eevee to vote for Joseph(fact you said I don't know why eevee didn't vote). SO ONE COULD CONCLUDE, that you wanted to get on the Joseph wagon before it's got brought up to l-1 and then you would have to hammer if you were going to vote.
ONE COULD ALSO CONCLUDE, that after not finding Joseph scummy his continued unhelpfulness and posts about claiming convinced you that maybe he was scum so you voted for him.
First of all why would you say one could conclude I wanted to get on Joseph's wagon before L-1 when I'm the one who knowingly put him to L-1? And just because I vote someone doesn't mean I have to be committed to hammering.
I wouldn't say his unhelpfulness and posts about claiming convinced me he was scum. I didn't have any scum reads besides you yesterday and it was clear we weren't going to lynch you so I figured "well Joseph is still acting like it's RVS, that's a little weird" and that was enough for me to vote him. Not enough to be lynched, in my opinion but enough to vote and provoke some discussion which was quickly stifled by pps.
I believe this is the height of my wagon. And right after this robz/ww/schadd/eevee vote for Joseph. This feel a ton like townies honestly not liking the wagon on me getting so close to lynch without another option and so the person I'm pushing makes sense to join. This is what evens our wagons out.
It is then with this vote that andrew finally changes his opinion and moves his vote away from me and onto Joseph, quickly followed by pps who hammers a few posts after having said he would agree to disagree about my alignment.
The real people who had strange inorganic movements here are andrew and pps. The issue is that Joseph was acting increasingly scummy so it's very possible that's the actual moments that town!andrew and town!pps had had enough.
Here is the bulk of what I say about robz/eevee/ww/schaad's votes. Obviously it's hard to create more of a narrative for robz because he hasn't posted anything, I think eevee's vote made sense, you agreed with his analysis of Joseph yourself and he was town reading me so his vote makes sense, schadd I am majorly town reading based on how he is playing the game, overall pro town, high post counts, present.
I guess I should at some point do a ww reread next but I am town reading him as well so there you go. I'm doing my best while getting called scummy for laying out possible narratives. luckily there are enough people(hopefully townies) that see what I'm doing as townie.
Here's what I get from this:
1) Robz, WW, and schadd's votes are all ok because they don't actually want to lynch me because they know I'm town.
mcmc quote: "This feel a ton like townies honestly not liking the wagon on me getting so close to lynch without another option and so the person I'm pushing makes sense to join"
2) Andrew and pps are scummy because they voted last.
mcmc quote: "The real people who had strange inorganic movements here are andrew and pps."
3) Eevee's vote makes sense because he has a town read on me.
mcmc quote: "I think eevee's vote made sense, you agreed with his analysis of Joseph yourself and he was town reading me so his vote makes sense"
4) I'm going to ignore WW because I have a town read on him.
mcmc quote: "I guess I should at some point do a ww reread next but I am town reading him as well so there you go."
I believe this is the height of my wagon. And right after this robz/ww/schadd/eevee vote for Joseph. This feel a ton like townies honestly not liking the wagon on me getting so close to lynch without another option and so the person I'm pushing makes sense to join. This is what evens our wagons out.
It is then with this vote that andrew finally changes his opinion and moves his vote away from me and onto Joseph, quickly followed by pps who hammers a few posts after having said he would agree to disagree about my alignment.
The real people who had strange inorganic movements here are andrew and pps. The issue is that Joseph was acting increasingly scummy so it's very possible that's the actual moments that town!andrew and town!pps had had enough.
Here is the bulk of what I say about robz/eevee/ww/schaad's votes. Obviously it's hard to create more of a narrative for robz because he hasn't posted anything, I think eevee's vote made sense, you agreed with his analysis of Joseph yourself and he was town reading me so his vote makes sense, schadd I am majorly town reading based on how he is playing the game, overall pro town, high post counts, present.
I guess I should at some point do a ww reread next but I am town reading him as well so there you go. I'm doing my best while getting called scummy for laying out possible narratives. luckily there are enough people(hopefully townies) that see what I'm doing as townie.
Here's what I get from this:
1) Robz, schadd, and WW's votes make sense because they have a town read on me.
mcmc quote: "I feel like I have solid town reads on robz/schadd/ww they have me pegged as town which is correct"
2) Eevee, Andrew, and pps all voted last so they're the most suspicious.
mcmc quote: "I then have decent narratives for pps, eevee, and Andrew"
3) I am conf!town and pps and Andrew are scummy because they didn't tell people to not vote for ash and they were the last two people to vote for Joseph.
mcmc quote: "pps and Andrew were pushing for the lynch of an active townie [I think you mean yourself?], didn't overly discourage people from moving to ashersky, and finally left all prior reads and hammered townie!joseph."
4) Thou shalt not OMGUS vote.
mcmc quote: "I absolutely don't want to punish active town andrew and pps for having slightly different opinions than me"
5) Votes with no content (Robz/schadd/ww) are OK if you have a town read on me, but lurking with no explanation is not.
mcmc quote: "The lurking has been cleared up, twm and dylan and idp explained themselves"
And now this:
Yea I think the big bummer in this game is that after what was pretty much a complete reread of the days major wagons and how they formed, I feel like I have solid town reads on robz/schadd/ww they have me pegged as town which is correct, they pegged ash correctly as town, their votes for the dead townie Joseph all make sense. I then have decent narratives for pps, eevee, and Andrew which I could see going either way, town or scum and then I have TWM, idp, and dylan which are all so null due to how little they posted it's impossible to figure out which way to tilt the narratives for pps/andrew/eevee.
Oh so the last three people to vote on a mislynch are the scummiest. Cool, got it. Sarcasm aside though, I think pps's vote is scummy. It looks like he thought a quickhammer would gain him towncred which I'm not willing to grant him.
It's like pps/andrew/idp could very easily be the scum team. Idp is lurky off wagon, pps and Andrew were pushing for the lynch of an active townie, didn't overly discourage people from moving to ashersky, and finally left all prior reads and hammered townie!joseph. That's one narrative that makes good sense and I could see being true.
ash was a null read for me D1, why would you expect me to discourage people moving to him? That's misleading and is obviously an attempt to subtly encourage suspicion without committing to it heavily.
mcmc is still scum read #1 for me, but a lynch pool of the three people off wagon makes sense to me too.
Oh look andrew your response last time I talked about on wagon vs off wagon you also find the end of the wagon scummy and you also think looking off wagon is good. So you now saying that I singled you out is crap. Your playing super super reactively to whatever the last thing posted is which is super scummy.
Where do I say I find the end of the wagon scummy? Unless you're referring to my sarcasm when I said "Oh so the last three people to vote on a mislynch are the scummiest. Cool, got it." And yeah I thought looking off wagon was a good idea, when did I say it wasn't a good idea? And I don't think I ever said you singled me out, or at least I didn't mean to. I've always said you've only looked at the end of the wagon and not at the three votes with no substance behind them and now by reading through all of this I see it's because those three voters apparently had town reads on you, which makes them perfectly fine and not suspicious in your book.
As for my playstyle, well I don't know what to say there. I just post my thoughts, my suspicions, pose questions when I want to dig deeper, and defend myself when I feel I have to.
Andrew, I'm curious what you think about that comment now that mcmc has also done that.
When I said it was "town all day" I was referring to that specific post. But regardless what IDP (I think it was him) was doing was trying to use it for scumhunting. To me this just looks like mcmc telling everyone he hopes Robz comes back soon.
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