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Alchemist
« on: February 04, 2017, 04:57:26 pm »
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Candlestick Maker
Shanty Town
Urchin
Alchemist
Marauder

Ironworks
Nomad Camp
Plaza
Walled Village
Cartographer

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B starts with 7 Coppers, a Hovel, a Necropolis and an Overgrown Estate.
B shuffles their deck.
B draws 4 Coppers and a Hovel.
O starts with 7 Coppers, a Hovel, a Necropolis and an Overgrown Estate.
O shuffles their deck.
O draws 4 Coppers and a Hovel.

Turn 1 - BostonQuad
B plays 4 Coppers.
B buys and gains a Marauder.
B draws 3 Coppers, a Necropolis and an Overgrown Estate.

Turn 1 - Omastar68
O plays 4 Coppers.
O buys and gains a Potion.
O draws 3 Coppers, a Necropolis and an Overgrown Estate.

Turn 2 - BostonQuad
B plays a Necropolis.
B plays 3 Coppers.
B buys and gains a Silver.
B shuffles their deck.
B draws 3 Coppers, a Hovel and a Marauder.

Turn 2 - Omastar68
O plays a Necropolis.
O plays 3 Coppers.
O buys and gains an Urchin.
O shuffles their deck.
O draws 3 Coppers, a Necropolis and an Overgrown Estate.

Turn 3 - BostonQuad
B plays a Marauder.
B gains a Spoils.
O gains a Ruined Library.
B plays 3 Coppers.
B buys and gains an Urchin.
B draws 4 Coppers and an Overgrown Estate.

Turn 3 - Omastar68
O plays a Necropolis.
O plays 3 Coppers.
O buys and gains an Urchin.
O draws 2 Coppers, a Potion, a Hovel and an Urchin.

Turn 4 - BostonQuad
B plays 4 Coppers.
B buys and gains a Plaza.
B shuffles their deck.
B draws a Copper, a Silver, a Hovel, a Necropolis and a Spoils.

Turn 4 - Omastar68
O plays an Urchin.
O draws a Copper.
B discards a Hovel.
O plays 3 Coppers and a Potion.
O buys and gains an Alchemist.
O shuffles their deck.
O draws 2 Coppers, a Potion, a Necropolis and an Urchin.

Turn 5 - BostonQuad
B plays a Necropolis.
B plays a Silver, a Spoils and a Copper.
B returns a Spoils to the Spoils pile.
B buys and gains a Gold.
B draws 3 Coppers, an Overgrown Estate and an Urchin.

Turn 5 - Omastar68
O plays an Urchin.
O draws a Copper.
B discards an Overgrown Estate.
O plays a Necropolis.
O plays 3 Coppers and a Potion.
O buys and gains an Alchemist.
O draws 2 Coppers, an Alchemist, a Hovel and an Overgrown Estate.

Turn 6 - BostonQuad
B plays an Urchin.
B draws a Copper.
O discards an Overgrown Estate.
B plays 4 Coppers.
B buys and gains an Urchin.
B shuffles their deck.
B draws 2 Coppers, a Marauder, an Overgrown Estate and a Plaza.

Turn 6 - Omastar68
O plays an Alchemist.
O draws a Copper and a Ruined Library.
O plays a Ruined Library.
O draws an Urchin.
O plays 3 Coppers.
O buys and gains an Urchin.
O shuffles their deck.
O draws 2 Coppers, a Potion, a Ruined Library and an Urchin.

Turn 7 - BostonQuad
B plays a Plaza.
B draws a Hovel.
B plays a Marauder.
B gains a Spoils.
O gains a Ruined Village.
B plays 2 Coppers.
B buys and gains a Candlestick Maker.
B draws 3 Coppers and 2 Urchins.

Turn 7 - Omastar68
O plays an Urchin.
O draws an Urchin.
B discards a Copper.
O plays an Urchin.
O trashes an Urchin.
O gains a Mercenary.
O draws a Copper.
O plays a Ruined Library.
O draws a Copper.
O plays 4 Coppers and a Potion.
O buys and gains an Alchemist.
O draws a Copper, an Alchemist, a Hovel, a Necropolis and an Urchin.

Turn 8 - BostonQuad
B plays an Urchin.
B draws a Copper.
O discards a Hovel.
B plays an Urchin.
B trashes an Urchin.
B gains a Mercenary.
B draws a Copper.
B plays 4 Coppers.
B buys and gains a Plaza.
B shuffles their deck.
B draws a Silver, a Gold, a Necropolis, a Spoils and a Plaza.

Turn 8 - Omastar68
O plays an Alchemist.
O draws an Alchemist and an Overgrown Estate.
O plays an Alchemist.
O draws 2 Coppers.
O plays an Urchin.
O shuffles their deck.
O draws a Copper.
B discards a Necropolis.
O plays a Necropolis.
O plays 4 Coppers.
O buys and gains a Plaza.
O draws 2 Coppers, a Potion, a Hovel and an Urchin.

Turn 9 - BostonQuad
B plays a Plaza.
B draws a Copper.
B discards a Copper.
B plays a Silver, a Spoils and a Gold.
B returns a Spoils to the Spoils pile.
B buys and gains a Province.
B draws a Copper, a Marauder, a Mercenary, an Urchin and a Candlestick Maker.

Turn 9 - Omastar68
O plays an Urchin.
O draws a Mercenary.
B discards a Marauder.
O plays a Mercenary.
O trashes an Urchin.
O gains a Mercenary.
O trashes a Copper and a Hovel.
O draws a Ruined Library and a Ruined Village.
B discards a Copper.
O plays a Copper and a Potion.
O buys and gains an Alchemist.
O shuffles their deck.
O draws 3 Coppers and 2 Alchemists.

Turn 10 - BostonQuad
B plays an Urchin.
B draws a Copper.
O discards a Copper.
B plays a Mercenary.
B trashes an Urchin.
B gains a Mercenary.
B trashes a Copper and a Candlestick Maker.
B draws a Hovel and a Plaza.
O discards a Copper.
B buys and gains a Silver.
B draws 4 Coppers and an Overgrown Estate.

Turn 10 - Omastar68
O plays an Alchemist.
O draws a Potion and a Ruined Village.
O plays an Alchemist.
O draws a Copper and a Plaza.
O plays a Plaza.
O draws a Copper.
O plays a Ruined Village.
O plays 3 Coppers and a Potion.
O buys and gains an Alchemist.
O topdecks 2 Alchemists.
O draws 2 Alchemists, an Overgrown Estate, a Ruined Library and an Urchin.

Turn 11 - BostonQuad
B plays 4 Coppers.
B buys and gains a Plaza.
B shuffles their deck.
B draws 2 Coppers, a Silver, a Mercenary and a Necropolis.

Turn 11 - Omastar68
O plays an Alchemist.
O draws a Copper and a Necropolis.
O plays an Alchemist.
O draws 2 Mercenaries.
O plays an Urchin.
O draws an Alchemist.
B discards a Copper.
O plays a Necropolis.
O plays an Alchemist.
O shuffles their deck.
O draws a Copper and an Alchemist.
O plays an Alchemist.
O draws a Copper and a Potion.
O plays a Mercenary.
O trashes an Urchin.
O gains a Mercenary.
O trashes an Overgrown Estate and a Ruined Library.
O draws a Copper.
O draws a Copper and a Plaza.
B discards a Silver.
O plays a Plaza.
O draws an Alchemist.
O discards a Copper.
O plays an Alchemist.
O draws a Copper and a Ruined Village.
O plays a Mercenary.
O trashes a Copper and a Ruined Village.
O shuffles their deck.
O draws a Copper and a Mercenary.
O plays a Mercenary.
O trashes 2 Coppers.
O plays 3 Coppers and a Potion.
O buys and gains a Nomad Camp.
O topdecks 5 Alchemists.
O draws 5 Alchemists.

Turn 12 - BostonQuad
B plays a Mercenary.
B trashes a Copper and a Necropolis.
B draws a Hovel and an Overgrown Estate.
O discards 2 Alchemists.
B buys and gains a Candlestick Maker.
B draws 2 Coppers, a Silver, a Marauder and a Plaza.

Turn 12 - Omastar68
O plays an Alchemist.
O shuffles their deck.
O draws a Nomad Camp and a Mercenary.
O plays an Alchemist.
O draws 2 Coppers.
O plays an Alchemist.
O draws an Alchemist and a Mercenary.
O plays an Alchemist.
O draws a Potion and a Plaza.
O plays a Plaza.
O draws an Alchemist.
O discards a Copper.
O plays an Alchemist.
O draws a Copper and a Necropolis.
O plays a Necropolis.
O plays a Mercenary.
O trashes a Copper and a Mercenary.
O shuffles their deck.
O draws a Copper and a Mercenary.
B discards a Copper and a Marauder.
O plays a Nomad Camp.
O plays 2 Coppers and a Potion.
O buys and gains an Ironworks and a Candlestick Maker.
O topdecks 5 Alchemists.
O draws 5 Alchemists.

Turn 13 - BostonQuad
B plays a Plaza.
B draws a Plaza.
B plays a Plaza.
B draws a Gold.
B discards a Copper.
B plays a Silver and a Gold.
B buys and gains a Cartographer.
B draws 2 Coppers, a Province, a Mercenary and a Plaza.

Turn 13 - Omastar68
O plays an Alchemist.
O shuffles their deck.
O draws a Nomad Camp and a Mercenary.
O plays an Alchemist.
O draws a Necropolis and a Candlestick Maker.
O plays a Candlestick Maker.
O plays an Alchemist.
O draws a Copper and a Mercenary.
O plays an Alchemist.
O draws a Copper and a Plaza.
O plays an Alchemist.
O draws an Ironworks and a Potion.
O plays a Plaza.
O discards a Copper.
O plays a Necropolis.
O plays a Mercenary.
O trashes a Copper and a Mercenary.
O shuffles their deck.
O draws a Copper.
B discards a Copper and a Province.
O plays an Ironworks.
O gains a Marauder.
O plays a Nomad Camp.
O plays a Potion and a Copper.
O buys and gains an Alchemist and 2 Candlestick Makers.
O topdecks 5 Alchemists.
O draws 5 Alchemists.

Turn 14 - BostonQuad
B plays a Plaza.
B shuffles their deck.
B draws a Hovel.
B plays a Mercenary.
B trashes a Copper and a Hovel.
B draws a Copper and a Silver.
O discards 2 Alchemists.
B plays a Silver and a Copper.
B buys and gains a Gold.
B draws 2 Coppers, a Province, an Overgrown Estate and a Plaza.

Turn 14 - Omastar68
O plays an Alchemist.
O shuffles their deck.
O draws a Candlestick Maker and a Plaza.
O plays an Alchemist.
O draws an Alchemist and a Candlestick Maker.
O plays an Alchemist.
O draws a Necropolis and a Candlestick Maker.
O plays an Alchemist.
O draws an Ironworks and a Marauder.
O plays a Candlestick Maker.
O plays a Candlestick Maker.
O plays a Candlestick Maker.
O plays a Necropolis.
O plays a Plaza.
O draws a Nomad Camp.
O plays an Ironworks.
O gains an Ironworks.
O plays a Marauder.
O gains a Spoils.
B gains a Ruined Village.
O plays a Nomad Camp.
O buys and gains 2 Coppers and a Candlestick Maker.
O draws a Copper, 2 Alchemists, a Potion and a Mercenary.

Turn 15 - BostonQuad
B plays a Plaza.
B draws a Silver.
B discards a Copper.
B plays a Silver and a Copper.
B buys and gains a Silver.
B draws a Gold, a Marauder, a Mercenary, a Candlestick Maker and a Plaza.

Turn 15 - Omastar68
O plays an Alchemist.
O shuffles their deck.
O draws 2 Alchemists.
O plays an Alchemist.
O draws a Copper and an Ironworks.
O plays an Alchemist.
O draws a Spoils and a Candlestick Maker.
O plays an Alchemist.
O draws an Alchemist and a Candlestick Maker.
O plays an Alchemist.
O draws an Alchemist and a Nomad Camp.
O plays an Alchemist.
O draws a Copper and a Candlestick Maker.
O plays a Candlestick Maker.
O plays a Candlestick Maker.
O plays a Candlestick Maker.
O plays an Ironworks.
O gains a Plaza.
O plays a Mercenary.
O trashes 2 Coppers.
O draws an Ironworks and a Plaza.
B discards a Marauder and a Mercenary.
O plays a Spoils, a Potion and a Copper.
O returns a Spoils to the Spoils pile.
O buys and gains a Silver and an Alchemist.
O topdecks 6 Alchemists.
O draws 5 Alchemists.

Turn 16 - BostonQuad
B plays a Candlestick Maker.
B plays a Plaza.
B draws a Copper.
B discards a Copper.
B plays a Gold.
B buys and gains a Copper and a Silver.
B shuffles their deck.
B draws a Copper, a Silver, a Gold, a Cartographer and a Marauder.

Turn 16 - Omastar68
O plays an Alchemist.
O draws an Alchemist and a Candlestick Maker.
O plays an Alchemist.
O draws a Marauder and a Necropolis.
O plays an Alchemist.
O shuffles their deck.
O draws a Silver and a Candlestick Maker.
O plays an Alchemist.
O draws a Potion and a Mercenary.
O plays an Alchemist.
O draws a Nomad Camp and a Candlestick Maker.
O plays an Alchemist.
O draws 2 Ironworks.
O plays a Candlestick Maker.
O plays a Candlestick Maker.
O plays a Candlestick Maker.
O plays a Necropolis.
O plays an Ironworks.
O gains a Nomad Camp.
O plays a Mercenary.
O trashes an Ironworks and a Nomad Camp.
O draws a Copper and a Nomad Camp.
B discards a Copper and a Silver.
O plays a Marauder.
O gains a Spoils.
B gains a Ruined Library.
O plays a Silver, a Potion and a Copper.
O buys and gains 2 Coppers, an Alchemist and a Candlestick Maker.
O topdecks 6 Alchemists.
O draws 5 Alchemists.

Turn 17 - BostonQuad
B plays a Cartographer.
B draws a Plaza.
B looks at a Silver, 2 Mercenaries and a Plaza.
B discards 2 Mercenaries.
B topdecks a Silver and a Plaza.
B plays a Plaza.
B draws a Silver.
B plays a Marauder.
B gains a Spoils.
O gains a Ruined Library.
B plays a Silver and a Gold.
B buys and gains a Silver.
B draws a Copper, a Silver, a Province, a Candlestick Maker and a Plaza.

Turn 17 - Omastar68
O plays an Alchemist.
O draws an Alchemist and a Plaza.
O plays an Alchemist.
O draws an Alchemist and a Candlestick Maker.
O plays an Alchemist.
O shuffles their deck.
O draws a Marauder and a Plaza.
O plays an Alchemist.
O draws a Copper and a Necropolis.
O plays an Alchemist.
O draws a Copper and a Candlestick Maker.
O plays an Alchemist.
O draws a Silver and a Spoils.
O plays an Alchemist.
O draws a Copper and a Candlestick Maker.
O plays a Candlestick Maker.
O plays a Candlestick Maker.
O plays a Candlestick Maker.
O plays a Plaza.
O draws a Ruined Library.
O discards a Copper.
O plays a Plaza.
O draws a Nomad Camp.
O discards a Copper.
O plays a Ruined Library.
O draws an Alchemist.
O plays an Alchemist.
O draws a Potion and a Candlestick Maker.
O plays a Candlestick Maker.
O plays a Marauder.
O gains a Spoils.
B gains a Survivors.
O plays a Nomad Camp.
O plays a Silver, a Spoils, a Copper and a Potion.
O returns a Spoils to the Spoils pile.
O buys and gains a Copper, a Province and an Alchemist.
O topdecks 8 Alchemists.
O draws 5 Alchemists.

Turn 18 - BostonQuad
B plays a Plaza.
B draws a Copper.
B discards a Copper.
B plays a Candlestick Maker.
B plays a Silver and a Copper.
B buys and gains a Copper and a Silver.
B draws a Copper, a Gold, an Overgrown Estate, a Ruined Village and a Plaza.

Turn 18 - Omastar68
O plays an Alchemist.
O draws 2 Alchemists.
O plays an Alchemist.
O draws an Alchemist and a Mercenary.
O plays an Alchemist.
O draws an Ironworks and a Candlestick Maker.
O plays an Alchemist.
O shuffles their deck.
O draws a Marauder and a Plaza.
O plays an Alchemist.
O draws a Necropolis and a Candlestick Maker.
O plays an Alchemist.
O draws a Candlestick Maker and a Plaza.
O plays an Alchemist.
O draws a Silver and an Alchemist.
O plays an Alchemist.
O draws a Copper and a Candlestick Maker.
O plays an Alchemist.
O draws a Copper and a Nomad Camp.
O plays a Candlestick Maker.
O plays a Candlestick Maker.
O plays a Candlestick Maker.
O plays a Candlestick Maker.
O plays a Plaza.
O draws a Copper.
O discards a Copper.
O plays a Plaza.
O draws a Copper.
O discards a Copper.
O plays a Mercenary.
O trashes a Copper and a Necropolis.
O draws a Spoils and a Candlestick Maker.
B discards an Overgrown Estate and a Ruined Village.
O plays a Candlestick Maker.
O plays an Ironworks.
O gains a Plaza.
O plays a Nomad Camp.
O plays a Marauder.
O gains a Spoils.
B gains a Ruined Market.
O plays a Silver, a Spoils and a Copper.
O returns a Spoils to the Spoils pile.
O buys and gains 2 Provinces and a Candlestick Maker.
O shuffles their deck.
O draws a Province, a Potion, a Ruined Library, a Candlestick Maker and a Plaza.

Turn 19 - BostonQuad
B plays a Plaza.
B draws a Copper.
B discards a Copper.
B plays a Copper and a Gold.
B buys and gains a Silver.
B shuffles their deck.
B draws 4 Silvers and a Plaza.

Turn 19 - Omastar68
O plays a Plaza.
O draws an Ironworks.
O plays a Ruined Library.
O draws a Marauder.
O plays a Candlestick Maker.
O plays an Ironworks.
O gains a Nomad Camp.
O plays a Marauder.
O gains a Spoils.
B gains a Survivors.
O plays a Potion.
O buys and gains an Alchemist.
O draws 2 Alchemists, a Nomad Camp, a Candlestick Maker and a Plaza.

Turn 20 - BostonQuad
B plays a Plaza.
B draws a Mercenary.
B plays 4 Silvers.
B buys and gains a Province.
B draws a Copper, a Silver, a Gold, a Marauder and a Ruined Village.

Turn 20 - Omastar68
O plays an Alchemist.
O draws 2 Candlestick Makers.
O plays an Alchemist.
O draws a Nomad Camp and a Candlestick Maker.
O plays a Plaza.
O draws a Copper.
O discards a Copper.
O plays a Candlestick Maker.
O plays a Candlestick Maker.
O plays a Candlestick Maker.
O plays a Candlestick Maker.
O plays a Nomad Camp.
O plays a Nomad Camp.
O buys and gains a Province.
O draws a Province, 2 Alchemists, a Mercenary and a Candlestick Maker.

Turn 21 - BostonQuad
B plays a Marauder.
B gains a Spoils.
O gains an Abandoned Mine.
B plays a Silver, a Copper and a Gold.
B buys and gains a Province.
B draws a Province, a Mercenary, an Overgrown Estate, a Spoils and a Candlestick Maker.

Turn 21 - Omastar68
O plays an Alchemist.
O draws 2 Alchemists.
O plays an Alchemist.
O draws a Silver and a Spoils.
O plays an Alchemist.
O draws an Alchemist and a Plaza.
O plays an Alchemist.
O draws a Copper and an Alchemist.
O plays an Alchemist.
O draws a Province and an Alchemist.
O plays an Alchemist.
O shuffles their deck.
O draws a Copper and an Alchemist.
O plays an Alchemist.
O draws an Ironworks and an Alchemist.
O plays an Alchemist.
O draws a Potion and a Candlestick Maker.
O plays an Alchemist.
O draws an Abandoned Mine and a Candlestick Maker.
O plays a Candlestick Maker.
O plays a Candlestick Maker.
O plays a Candlestick Maker.
O plays a Plaza.
O draws a Nomad Camp.
O discards a Potion.
O plays an Ironworks.
O gains an Estate.
O draws a Nomad Camp.
O plays a Nomad Camp.
O plays a Silver, a Spoils and 2 Coppers.
O returns a Spoils to the Spoils pile.
O buys and gains an Estate, 3 Duchies and a Province.
O draws a Copper, a Province, a Marauder, a Spoils and a Plaza.

Alchemist seems completely ridiculous. I mean I didn't do anything that fancy, and made several mistakes like overdoing it on mercs and then trashing too many. Also not adhering to the "If there are handsize attacks, then you should only put three Alchemists back on top.
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So is Alchemist therefore a must buy when it shows up? Especially in long games where it has a lot over Lab, since you'll have more cards and get more benefit from consistently drawing your "labs." 3 potion really doesn't seem that high of a cost either. I mean I got it turn 4.

I remember I also lost really badly earlier to a bunch of Alchemists, like here but reverse.

So is there really any other way to beat someone getting Alchemists on a board that likes them, bar getting them too? I mean even knights can't trash them. I guess fast strats like Rebuild mayb.
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Re: Alchemist
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2017, 05:24:05 pm »
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Alchemist is good here because this is a pretty good engine board and Alchemist is the only (effective) draw. If there was stronger draw, then Alchemist might be skippable.
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Re: Alchemist
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2017, 05:27:02 pm »
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Alchemist is good here because this is a pretty good engine board and Alchemist is the only (effective) draw. If there was stronger draw, then Alchemist might be skippable.

That's certainly a good point. Hopefully I'll get a game w/ Alchemist and strong draw to see for myself.
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Re: Alchemist
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2017, 06:20:22 pm »
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Yes, with three villages and cheap +Buy, any terminal +3 cards would end up being better than Alchemist.  But on this board Alchemist should be a must-buy.

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"If there are handsize attacks, then you should only put three Alchemists back on top." guideline in the wiki page.

I'm actually uncertain that's good advice.  If you don't get attacked you'd rather have five Alchs topdecked.  If you do get attacked, there's very little difference between two Alchs in your discard at the end of your turn, and two in the discard during your opponent's turn.

If you're always drawing your deck, that advice is sound though.
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