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New Traveller line
« on: February 03, 2017, 12:13:58 am »
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I started with the names/flavor, and came up with the rest from there:



The idea is that each is one part of an engine.  You start with some disappearing money, then a trasher, then a gainer, then draw, then payload.  The only thing missing is the Village, but Page/Champion covers that pretty well.

Also, all except Acolyte should say "(This is not in the Supply.)" on them.
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Re: New Traveller line
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2017, 12:58:40 am »
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Why is Pope a Treasure? Flavor-wise, it doesn't make sense to me. Also takes away a lot of potential interactions.

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Re: New Traveller line
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2017, 04:55:11 am »
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This looks like a great line, not at least because of its simplicity. Other fan made Traveller lines here are often (too) complex.

Acolyte is simple and similar to Page and Peasant.

Treasure Hunter and Soldier would be a bit weak as 3$ Kingdom Supply cards but Deacon seems strong, potentially even better than a 4$ trasher like Remake. On the other hand you only get to play it after the second shuffle instead of after the first. if it is too string "Trash up to 2 cards" is a straightforward nerf.

Priest is a bit weaker than comparable gainers. I don't wanna argue against the conditionall VP token gaining but it seems like a niche option.

Cardinal looks like an obvious Library variant but it'll probably play a bit differently. Library does after all make little sense as an "ordinary" drawer, when it is just a Smithy, so you gotta combine it with discarding or non-drawing cards whereas Cardinal could actually be viable without that as "+4 Cards, discard a card". You probably don't want more than 1 or 2 in your deck though but this is hard enough to achieve with Travellers anyway.

I like Pope. Seems again like a simple Goons variant but the non-terminality is a big one and there is some combo potential with Priest. Pope, Priest, a cost reducer and Duke could be a fun Duchy game.
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Re: New Traveller line
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2017, 06:37:31 am »
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I really like Deacon as a traveller; it makes the decision to exchange more interesting.

Priest is kinda weak and boring.

Cardinal is too similar to Library for my taste, and Pope also is a variant of an existing card. It seems a bit weaker than Goons, which is weird for the end of a Traveller line. Maybe make it a Treasure-Duration? That could be fun. Though Pope as a Treasure is a bit of a weird thing flavorwise. If you want to make your traveller line more morbid, you could make the next-to-last traveller a Martyr, and the final one a Holy Relic, which fits better as a Treasure (though Relic is alread taken as a card name).

The art for Priest and Cardinal is... odd.
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Re: New Traveller line
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2017, 07:38:19 am »
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Personally, I'd swap Deacon and Priest's abilities.
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Re: New Traveller line
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2017, 09:23:13 am »
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Thanks for the comments!  I've been wondering if one of the abilities should involve Cursing, to give Deacon more to do, and also wondering if Pope should have some sort of clause to prevent spamming Popes.  The two thoughts I have are:
1) Keep it Treasure, add "When you play this, trash any other Popes you have in play"
2) Make it an Action, add "End your Action phase" so you can't play more than one Pope, but you could Throne it (though not the gaining)
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Re: New Traveller line
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2017, 11:21:31 am »
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Pope doesn't sound that strong to me. It's probably about as strong as Goons in general. And those are best when you can play a lot in the same turn, which you won't be able to do with Pope probably. But still, the thing with both Teacher and Champion is that they have a permanent effect on your deck once you play them; you don't only get their benefit once each time you draw/play them.

Not that the end of a traveler line has to be as strong as Champion or Teacher to be balanced; the rest of the cards matter too. But I just don't feel like Pope is something that's worth building all the way up to; it could probably be balanced as a regular .
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Re: New Traveller line
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2017, 11:22:45 am »
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I like Pope. Seems again like a simple Goons variant but the non-terminality is a big one and there is some combo potential with Priest. Pope, Priest, a cost reducer and Duke could be a fun Duchy game.

I don't see how there's a combo with Priest, unless you also have Black Market or Storyteller or Villa in the game.
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Re: New Traveller line
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2017, 11:43:44 am »
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Based on comments, here are new drafts for Priest and Pope:

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Re: New Traveller line
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2017, 12:31:58 pm »
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I think on this version of Pope, the +$1,+1 buy may be too much. The effect is already quite strong as it is. Probabl needs some testing. I do like it better than the old version.
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Re: New Traveller line
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2017, 04:05:37 pm »
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The second Pope seems crazy strong to me. It is the permanent duration version of Market plus something which is probably significantly stronger than a cantrip VP token gainer (and would have to cost 6 or more if it were an ordinary Action).

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Re: New Traveller line
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2017, 05:17:28 pm »
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I disagree with the others, and think that new Pope is probably ok. If it's too strong, then removing just the would probably be a good fix; the buy is more important there. I still don't see it generating more than your typical Goons deck; so not sure why that's a problem.
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Re: New Traveller line
« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2017, 05:26:02 pm »
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Any thoughts on the new Priest?
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Re: New Traveller line
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2017, 05:34:44 pm »
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Any thoughts on the new Priest?

I'd try it without the "if" first; only make it a completely dead card after Curses are gone if it's too strong otherwise. I mean, a card that's just a flat +1 isn't going to be very good anyway.
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« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2017, 07:51:27 pm »
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Anyone else notice the deacon art is from a magic card?
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Re: New Traveller line
« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2017, 06:26:10 am »
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I disagree with the others, and think that new Pope is probably ok. If it's too strong, then removing just the would probably be a good fix; the buy is more important there. I still don't see it generating more than your typical Goons deck; so not sure why that's a problem.
Pope is stronger than two Hirelings combined into one card, alleviated by the fact that you get Pope far later than Hireling.
But whereas in the case of official Travellers you only want one Champion and one Teacher (perhaps there are rare cases in which you want 2?) in your deck and stick with some cards down the Traveller line here you might want all your cards to become Popes.
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Re: New Traveller line
« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2017, 09:11:46 am »
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Yeah, it's hard to find a way to make it desirable, but only in a way that makes you want just one of them. Maybe if it were "For the rest of the game, when you buy a card costing more than $0, +1 Buy"?
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« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2017, 10:07:17 am »
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Yeah, it's hard to find a way to make it desirable, but only in a way that makes you want just one of them. Maybe if it were "For the rest of the game, when you buy a card costing more than $0, +1 Buy"?
I thought it would be fun (and also flavorful) if Pope powered up the other Travellers. Something like "when you gain a card, +1VP per traveller you have in play" (that's probably too strong, but you get the idea). So you need some of the other travellers for this to be good.
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Re: New Traveller line
« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2017, 04:12:21 pm »
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Third try on Pope:



EDIT: Modified to make more sense.
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Re: New Traveller line
« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2017, 08:15:18 pm »
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Third try on Pope:



EDIT: Modified to make more sense.

I feel likes it's a bit cumbersome with the trashing other Popes; like it's a really awkward way to limit its power.

Also, because it doesn't have any "at the start of each turn..."; it doesn't follow normal duration rules. There's nothing it's "doing" that keeps it in play.
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« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2017, 09:00:23 pm »
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I feel likes it's a bit cumbersome with the trashing other Popes; like it's a really awkward way to limit its power.

Also, because it doesn't have any "at the start of each turn..."; it doesn't follow normal duration rules. There's nothing it's "doing" that keeps it in play.

Neither does Champion.
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Re: New Traveller line
« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2017, 10:17:46 pm »
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I feel likes it's a bit cumbersome with the trashing other Popes; like it's a really awkward way to limit its power.

Ah, but flavor wise, it makes sense, as there can only ever be one pope
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« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2017, 11:38:03 pm »
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I feel likes it's a bit cumbersome with the trashing other Popes; like it's a really awkward way to limit its power.

Also, because it doesn't have any "at the start of each turn..."; it doesn't follow normal duration rules. There's nothing it's "doing" that keeps it in play.

Neither does Champion.

Right, oops.

Now I wonder why it works differently than Lighthouse. Is it because Lighthouse is "while this is in play" and Chanpion is "for the rest of the game"?
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Re: New Traveller line
« Reply #23 on: February 04, 2017, 11:59:11 pm »
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I feel likes it's a bit cumbersome with the trashing other Popes; like it's a really awkward way to limit its power.

Also, because it doesn't have any "at the start of each turn..."; it doesn't follow normal duration rules. There's nothing it's "doing" that keeps it in play.

Neither does Champion.

Right, oops.

Now I wonder why it works differently than Lighthouse. Is it because Lighthouse is "while this is in play" and Chanpion is "for the rest of the game"?

Champion's +Actions are Throneable, Lighthouse's protection is not.  For Pope, I don't mind if the +Buys are Throneable, but the + should definitely not be.
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« Reply #24 on: February 05, 2017, 09:13:16 pm »
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I feel likes it's a bit cumbersome with the trashing other Popes; like it's a really awkward way to limit its power.

Ah, but flavor wise, it makes sense, as there can only ever be one pope

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