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Re: Math Games
« Reply #75 on: February 04, 2017, 06:15:51 pm »

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Re: Math Games
« Reply #76 on: February 04, 2017, 06:24:04 pm »

/in.
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Re: Math Games
« Reply #77 on: February 04, 2017, 07:01:23 pm »

/in

I wonder if this game would be slightly more interesting if prizes with tied high bids go to the next highest bid rather than just being eliminated all together.
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Re: Math Games
« Reply #78 on: February 04, 2017, 07:21:33 pm »

Player List:
1. schadd (100)
2. Calamitas (100)
3. UmbrageOfSnow (100)
4. faust (100)
5. 2.71828... (100)
6. Jimmmmm (100)
7. gkrieg13 (100)
8. sudgy (100)
9. Dylan32 (100)
10. LaLight (100)
11. GendoIkari (100)
12. pacovf (100)

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   +2 points
   +1 point     e
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   +6 gold       Dylan
   +3 gold
   +2 points, +2 gold

Since Scott said some preliminary discussion is ok, I'm just going to tell everyone what I'm doing, because I won't change it based on number of people. I'm bidding the max on +6 gold in round 1. So if you want to bet on it, the only outcome is that you will lose or tie, which will make achieving your goal of maximizing your points harder.
I will put everything on the 15 points. Keep in mind that I'm actually going to follow through since I want to set a precedent for further games.
I will put everything on the 15 points. Keep in mind that I'm actually going to follow through since I want to set a precedent for further games.
That's my plan as well. I was debating whether to announce it or not though. Well I'm still doing it.
Well many good options are gone already. I'll go with everything on the 10 points then.
i'm gonna do 7 on 5 points and 1 on 10. somebody can beat me by doing 8 on 5
Sounds like people are mostly going for an all or nothing strategy. All the gold on one item, hope no one else copied you. I can see some merit to that.

But again, do we want to cooperate? I haven't placed my bid yet, willing to listen to suggestions. Currently leaning 8 gold on 1 point. (Not really. But it would almost guarantee getting that point)
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Re: Math Games
« Reply #79 on: February 04, 2017, 07:24:51 pm »

12 people, 10 options. At least two people won't get anything. If everybody puts 8 gold into an option, then the only way to get anything is to hope nobody else chose your option. Or to discuss and cooperate, which doesn't seem likely when most people aren't talking about what they want to do.
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Re: Math Games
« Reply #80 on: February 04, 2017, 07:31:30 pm »

I think that's why some of us don't want to talk though.

Is it better for a committee to decide that you get 0 points or only 1 point, or is it better to take your chances?

Actually, I have a proposal for those of us who haven't claimed, although I haven't thought this through all that well.

 Jimmmmm, gkrieg13, sudgy, LaLight, pacovf:

What if we take our chances after all, but pledge some kind of a ceiling, or to not use as many points.

Like let's say we all agree to only spend 4 points among the remaining (worse) options.  Then those of us who stick by it have more money to work with tomorrow, someone can betray for profit at a cost to their chances tomorrow, but we all still have better odds of winning these low-value targets without spending as much?

Thoughts?
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Re: Math Games
« Reply #81 on: February 04, 2017, 07:32:33 pm »

Scott: Would it be possible not to end the day early if everyone submits an order?

If not, could I please retract my bid?
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Re: Math Games
« Reply #82 on: February 04, 2017, 07:34:41 pm »

Scott: Have you PMed the people who haven't submitted?  I submitted, but I have no idea if you got it or not.
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Re: Math Games
« Reply #83 on: February 04, 2017, 07:35:26 pm »

AFAIK the gold you don't spent doesn't get carried over.
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Re: Math Games
« Reply #84 on: February 04, 2017, 07:38:22 pm »

AFAIK the gold you don't spent doesn't get carried over.

Oh yeah.  That's in capslock even.  I guess I just fail at all thinking today.
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Re: Math Games
« Reply #85 on: February 04, 2017, 07:42:20 pm »

Well before anyone else jumps on it, I'm just going to put all my money on the best remaining option which is +3 gold.

Since I guess first come first serve is winning this today.

And this is less interesting than the game I kind of thought it was in my head I guess.

I'm still willing to talk and change my bid though.
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Re: Math Games
« Reply #86 on: February 04, 2017, 07:49:27 pm »

So the group could collectively shut 2 people out from ever getting any points if they don't cooperate.  But on the other hand, there aren't enough points for everyone to end up even, even if the players who win 15 get 0 both other times, and some people will end up with way less, so that's a good reason not to cooperate, potentially.

Getting money allows you leverage to defy the group or prevent yourself from being denied.
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Re: Math Games
« Reply #87 on: February 04, 2017, 07:50:06 pm »

I will put all my money on 2 gold, 2 points.
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Re: Math Games
« Reply #88 on: February 04, 2017, 07:51:10 pm »

To be honest I haven't taken into account what everyone else says they're doing.
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Re: Math Games
« Reply #89 on: February 04, 2017, 07:52:06 pm »

I think that's why some of us don't want to talk though.

Is it better for a committee to decide that you get 0 points or only 1 point, or is it better to take your chances?

Actually, I have a proposal for those of us who haven't claimed, although I haven't thought this through all that well.

 Jimmmmm, gkrieg13, sudgy, LaLight, pacovf:

What if we take our chances after all, but pledge some kind of a ceiling, or to not use as many points.

Like let's say we all agree to only spend 4 points among the remaining (worse) options.  Then those of us who stick by it have more money to work with tomorrow, someone can betray for profit at a cost to their chances tomorrow, but we all still have better odds of winning these low-value targets without spending as much?

Thoughts?

I didn't spend more than 2 on options. I don't want to claim yet, I want to see the outcome.
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Re: Math Games
« Reply #90 on: February 04, 2017, 07:55:23 pm »

I think it might have been more interesting with money carrying over.

As it stands, I can only see the options as trying to scrabble for scraps, trying to use the ability to deny points as leverage to force concessions on later days, or trying to match bids on the high values in an attempt to burn down the system to prevent people claiming what they are doing on Day 2/3.

Not sure how much validity that last idea has, but it's a thought.

This is frustrating, but it might be more interesting than I was just thinking because of the scarcity of points.

The short deadline makes it weird though.
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Re: Math Games
« Reply #91 on: February 04, 2017, 07:55:32 pm »

Scott: Would it be possible not to end the day early if everyone submits an order?

If not, could I please retract my bid?


Sure, I can wait until deadline to end the round (assuming no one objects).  I just thought ending early if possible would be a little easier for people.

Scott: Have you PMed the people who haven't submitted?  I submitted, but I have no idea if you got it or not.

I did receive your PM.
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Re: Math Games
« Reply #92 on: February 04, 2017, 07:57:15 pm »

   +15 points Calamitas, Gendo
   +10 points faust
   +5 points   schadd
   +3 points
   +2 points
   +1 point     e
   +1 point
   +6 gold       Dylan
   +3 gold       UoS
   +2 points, +2 gold pacovf

Lalight: 2 on a few options
gkrieg, Jimmmmm, sudgy: ?
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Re: Math Games
« Reply #93 on: February 04, 2017, 07:58:27 pm »

   +15 points Calamitas, Gendo
   +10 points faust
   +5 points   schadd
   +3 points
   +2 points
   +1 point     e
   +1 point
   +6 gold       Dylan
   +3 gold       UoS
   +2 points, +2 gold pacovf

Lalight: 2 on a few options
gkrieg, Jimmmmm, sudgy: ?

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Re: Math Games
« Reply #94 on: February 04, 2017, 08:00:51 pm »

Also, what are people's thoughts on Tables and Axxle joining after the game started?  I said players who /inned too late would be added to the next game, but if there is unanimous agreement that they can join, then I'll add them to this game (they've both already submitted PM's).

Also, would people prefer longer deadlines in general?
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Re: Math Games
« Reply #95 on: February 04, 2017, 08:05:22 pm »

   +15 points Calamitas, Gendo
   +10 points faust
   +5 points   schadd
   +3 points
   +2 points
   +1 point     e
   +1 point
   +6 gold       Dylan
   +3 gold       UoS
   +2 points, +2 gold pacovf

Lalight: 2 on a few options
gkrieg, Jimmmmm, sudgy: ?

I don't really want to say what I'm doing, because I think it is pretty good, but will become significantly less good if people know it.

I like the short deadlines, if they join, I think I'll have to change my bids a little bit, so I guess I would rather not have them join til next game, but if everyone else wants them to join this game, I don't want to be the person standing in the way of that.
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Re: Math Games
« Reply #96 on: February 04, 2017, 08:07:30 pm »

I like longer deadlines, at least for this, and I'm cool with Tables and Axxle joining.

What do people think of the fact that 2 (or 4) players can deny people their prizes?  It's not leverage that can really be enforced, because it may not carry forward well in the last game, it's just not punishing someone now hoping for a concession later.

I think there's a lot more to talk about than I was realizing this morning.

And also this is turning out to be kind of an interesting simulation of human relations.

Like I think I'm realizing that the best plan is really to figure out where Faust lives, get a big stick, and fight him for his points rather than trying to cooperate or take my chances.
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Re: Math Games
« Reply #97 on: February 04, 2017, 08:13:28 pm »

Okay, based on input from other players (some by PM) Tables and Axxle will not be joining this game (sorry).  I'll put you in for subsequent games though.
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Re: Math Games
« Reply #98 on: February 04, 2017, 08:19:33 pm »

I don't really want to say what I'm doing, because I think it is pretty good, but will become significantly less good if people know it.
i bet you're just stealing my 5 points
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Re: Math Games
« Reply #99 on: February 04, 2017, 08:20:31 pm »

   +15 points Calamitas, Gendo
   +10 points faust
   +5 points   schadd
   +3 points
   +2 points
   +1 point     e
   +1 point
   +6 gold       Dylan
   +3 gold       UoS
   +2 points, +2 gold pacovf

Lalight: 2 on a few options
gkrieg, Jimmmmm, sudgy: ?

I don't really want to say what I'm doing, because I think it is pretty good, but will become significantly less good if people know it.

I like the short deadlines, if they join, I think I'll have to change my bids a little bit, so I guess I would rather not have them join til next game, but if everyone else wants them to join this game, I don't want to be the person standing in the way of that.

Don't need to say anything, I am just compiling what people have said.
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