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There are like 30 strategies here
« on: January 31, 2017, 08:50:46 pm »
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Kingdom was:

Candlestick Maker
Merchant
Trade Route
Taxman
Baker
Festival
Mountebank
Sentry
Artisan
Goons

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H starts with 7 Coppers and 3 Estates.
H shuffles their deck.
H draws 4 Coppers and an Estate.
O starts with 7 Coppers and 3 Estates.
O shuffles their deck.
O draws 4 Coppers and an Estate.

Turn 1 - HappyMcPherson
H plays 4 Coppers.
H buys and gains a Taxman.
H draws 3 Coppers and 2 Estates.

Turn 1 - Omastar68
O plays 4 Coppers.
O buys and gains a Sentry.
O draws 3 Coppers and 2 Estates.

Turn 2 - HappyMcPherson
H plays 3 Coppers.
H buys and gains a Silver.
H shuffles their deck.
H draws 4 Coppers and an Estate.

Turn 2 - Omastar68
O plays 3 Coppers.
O buys and gains a Silver.
O shuffles their deck.
O draws 2 Coppers, a Silver and 2 Estates.

Turn 3 - HappyMcPherson
H plays 4 Coppers.
H buys and gains a Baker.
H draws 2 Coppers, a Silver, an Estate and a Taxman.

Turn 3 - Omastar68
O plays a Silver and 2 Coppers.
O buys and gains a Taxman.
O draws 4 Coppers and a Sentry.

Turn 4 - HappyMcPherson
H plays a Taxman.
H trashes a Copper.
H gains a Silver.
O discards a Copper.
H plays a Silver and a Copper.
H buys and gains a Silver.
H shuffles their deck.
H draws a Copper, 2 Silvers, an Estate and a Taxman.

Turn 4 - Omastar68
O plays a Sentry.
O draws an Estate.
O shuffles their deck.
O reveals a Copper and an Estate.
O trashes a Copper and an Estate.
O plays 3 Coppers.
O buys and gains a Silver.
O draws 3 Coppers, a Silver and an Estate.

Turn 5 - HappyMcPherson
H plays a Taxman.
H trashes a Copper.
H gains a Silver.
O discards a Copper.
H plays 2 Silvers.
H buys and gains a Candlestick Maker.
H draws 2 Coppers, a Silver, an Estate and a Baker.

Turn 5 - Omastar68
O plays a Silver and 2 Coppers.
O buys and gains a Merchant.
O shuffles their deck.
O draws 2 Coppers, a Merchant, a Sentry and a Taxman.

Turn 6 - HappyMcPherson
H plays a Baker.
H draws a Silver.
H plays 2 Silvers and 2 Coppers.
H buys and gains a Gold.
H shuffles their deck.
H draws 3 Coppers, an Estate and a Baker.

Turn 6 - Omastar68
O plays a Sentry.
O draws a Copper.
O reveals a Copper and a Silver.
O trashes a Copper.
O topdecks a Silver.
O plays a Merchant.
O draws a Silver.
O plays a Taxman.
O trashes a Silver.
O gains a Gold.
H reveals a Gold, a Sentry, a Platinum, a Baker and a Mountebank.
O plays 3 Coppers.
O buys and gains a Silver.
O draws a Copper, a Silver, a Gold and 2 Estates.

Turn 7 - HappyMcPherson
H plays a Baker.
H draws a Silver.
H plays a Silver and 3 Coppers.
H buys and gains a Sentry.
H draws 3 Silvers, a Gold and a Taxman.

Turn 7 - Omastar68
O plays a Silver, a Copper and a Gold.
O buys and gains a Goons.
O shuffles their deck.
O draws 3 Coppers, a Gold and an Estate.

Turn 8 - HappyMcPherson
H plays a Taxman.
H trashes a Silver.
H gains a Gold.
O reveals a Silver, a Copper, a Mountebank, a Candlestick Maker and a Colony.
H plays 2 Silvers and a Gold.
H buys and gains a Gold.
H draws a Copper, a Gold, 2 Estates and a Candlestick Maker.

Turn 8 - Omastar68
O plays a Gold and 3 Coppers.
O buys and gains a Baker.
O draws 2 Coppers, a Silver, a Goons and a Taxman.

Turn 9 - HappyMcPherson
H plays a Candlestick Maker.
H plays a Copper and a Gold.
H buys and gains a Sentry.
H shuffles their deck.
H draws a Copper, a Silver, 2 Estates and a Taxman.

Turn 9 - Omastar68
O plays a Goons.
H discards 2 Estates.
O plays a Silver and 2 Coppers.
O buys a Festival.
O gets 1 VP from Goons.
O gains a Festival.
O shuffles their deck.
O draws a Silver, a Gold, an Estate, a Merchant and a Sentry.

Turn 10 - HappyMcPherson
H plays a Taxman.
H trashes a Copper.
H gains a Silver.
O reveals a Silver, a Copper, a Mountebank, a Candlestick Maker and a Colony.
H plays a Silver.
H buys and gains a Candlestick Maker.
H draws 2 Coppers, a Silver, a Gold and a Candlestick Maker.

Turn 10 - Omastar68
O plays a Sentry.
O draws a Copper.
O reveals a Copper and a Baker.
O trashes a Copper.
O topdecks a Baker.
O plays a Merchant.
O draws a Baker.
O plays a Baker.
O draws a Festival.
O plays a Festival.
O plays a Silver, a Gold and a Copper.
O buys and gains a Mountebank and a Candlestick Maker.
O draws 2 Coppers, a Silver, a Goons and a Taxman.

Turn 11 - HappyMcPherson
H plays a Candlestick Maker.
H plays a Silver, a Gold and 2 Coppers.
H buys and gains a Baker and a Candlestick Maker.
H draws a Copper, a Silver, a Gold, a Sentry and a Baker.

Turn 11 - Omastar68
O plays a Goons.
H discards a Copper and a Silver.
O plays a Silver and 2 Coppers.
O buys an Artisan.
O gets 1 VP from Goons.
O gains an Artisan.
O shuffles their deck.
O draws 2 Coppers, an Estate, a Mountebank and a Baker.

Turn 12 - HappyMcPherson
H plays a Sentry.
H draws a Silver.
H reveals a Gold and a Sentry.
H topdecks a Gold and a Sentry.
H plays a Baker.
H draws a Sentry.
H plays a Sentry.
H draws a Gold.
H reveals a Copper and an Estate.
H trashes a Copper and an Estate.
H plays a Silver and 2 Golds.
H buys and gains a Platinum.
H shuffles their deck.
H draws a Gold, an Estate, a Sentry and 2 Candlestick Makers.

Turn 12 - Omastar68
O plays a Baker.
O draws a Taxman.
O plays a Mountebank.
H gains a Curse and a Copper.
O plays 2 Coppers.
O buys and gains a Baker.
O draws 2 Silvers, an Estate, an Artisan and a Festival.

Turn 13 - HappyMcPherson
H plays a Candlestick Maker.
H plays a Candlestick Maker.
H plays a Sentry.
H draws a Platinum.
H reveals 2 Silvers.
H topdecks 2 Silvers.
H plays a Gold and a Platinum.
H buys and gains a Platinum.
H draws 3 Silvers and 2 Bakers.

Turn 13 - Omastar68
O plays a Festival.
O plays an Artisan.
O gains a Baker.
O topdecks a Silver.
O plays a Baker.
O draws a Silver.
O plays 2 Silvers.
O buys and gains a Goons.
O draws 2 Coppers, a Gold, a Merchant and a Candlestick Maker.

Turn 14 - HappyMcPherson
H plays a Baker.
H draws an Estate.
H plays a Baker.
H draws a Sentry.
H plays a Sentry.
H draws a Copper.
H reveals a Copper and a Gold.
H trashes a Copper.
H topdecks a Gold.
H plays 3 Silvers and a Copper.
H buys and gains a Baker.
H draws a Copper, a Silver, 2 Golds and a Candlestick Maker.

Turn 14 - Omastar68
O plays a Candlestick Maker.
O plays a Merchant.
O draws a Sentry.
O plays a Sentry.
O draws a Goons.
O shuffles their deck.
O reveals a Silver and an Estate.
O trashes an Estate.
O topdecks a Silver.
O plays a Goons.
H discards a Copper and a Candlestick Maker.
O plays 2 Coppers and a Gold.
O buys a Platinum.
O gets 1 VP from Goons.
O gains a Platinum.
O buys a Copper.
O gets 1 VP from Goons.
O gains a Copper.
O buys a Copper.
O gets 1 VP from Goons.
O gains a Copper.
O draws a Silver, an Estate, an Artisan, a Baker and a Taxman.

Turn 15 - HappyMcPherson
H plays a Silver and 2 Golds.
H buys and gains a Platinum.
H shuffles their deck.
H draws 2 Silvers, a Gold, a Baker and a Taxman.

Turn 15 - Omastar68
O plays a Baker.
O draws a Silver.
O plays an Artisan.
O gains a Sentry.
O topdecks a Sentry.
O plays 2 Silvers.
O buys and gains a Sentry.
O draws a Copper, a Sentry, a Goons and 2 Bakers.

Turn 16 - HappyMcPherson
H plays a Baker.
H draws a Platinum.
H plays a Taxman.
H trashes a Silver.
H gains a Gold.
O reveals a Silver, a Copper, a Mountebank, a Candlestick Maker and a Colony.
H plays a Silver, a Gold and a Platinum.
H buys and gains an Artisan.
H draws 2 Coppers, a Silver, a Gold and a Candlestick Maker.

Turn 16 - Omastar68
O plays a Sentry.
O draws a Mountebank.
O reveals a Copper and a Festival.
O trashes a Copper.
O topdecks a Festival.
O plays a Baker.
O draws a Festival.
O plays a Baker.
O shuffles their deck.
O draws a Gold.
O plays a Festival.
O plays a Mountebank.
H gains a Curse and a Copper.
O plays a Goons.
H discards 2 Coppers.
O plays a Copper and a Gold.
O buys a Candlestick Maker.
O gets 1 VP from Goons.
O gains a Candlestick Maker.
O buys a Platinum.
O gets 1 VP from Goons.
O gains a Platinum.
O buys a Copper.
O gets 1 VP from Goons.
O gains a Copper.
O draws 2 Coppers, a Silver, a Goons and a Platinum.

Turn 17 - HappyMcPherson
H plays a Candlestick Maker.
H plays a Silver and a Gold.
H buys and gains a Sentry.
H draws a Copper, a Silver, a Gold, a Baker and a Candlestick Maker.

Turn 17 - Omastar68
O plays a Goons.
H discards a Copper and a Candlestick Maker.
O plays a Silver, 2 Coppers and a Platinum.
O buys a Sentry.
O gets 1 VP from Goons.
O gains a Sentry.
O buys a Goons.
O gets 1 VP from Goons.
O gains a Goons.
O draws a Merchant, 2 Sentries, a Baker and a Candlestick Maker.

Turn 18 - HappyMcPherson
H plays a Baker.
H draws an Estate.
H plays a Silver and a Gold.
H buys and gains a Sentry.
H draws a Curse, a Gold, an Estate, a Sentry and a Platinum.

Turn 18 - Omastar68
O plays a Sentry.
O draws an Artisan.
O reveals a Copper and a Taxman.
O trashes a Copper.
O topdecks a Taxman.
O plays a Sentry.
O draws a Taxman.
O reveals a Copper and an Estate.
O trashes a Copper and an Estate.
O plays a Candlestick Maker.
O plays a Baker.
O draws a Silver.
O plays a Merchant.
O shuffles their deck.
O draws a Baker.
O plays a Baker.
O draws a Goons.
O plays an Artisan.
O gains a Festival.
O topdecks a Goons.
O plays a Silver.
O buys and gains a Silver.
O draws a Festival, a Sentry and 3 Goons.

Turn 19 - HappyMcPherson
H plays a Sentry.
H draws a Baker.
H reveals a Platinum and a Candlestick Maker.
H discards a Candlestick Maker.
H topdecks a Platinum.
H plays a Baker.
H draws a Platinum.
H plays a Gold and 2 Platina.
H buys and gains a Colony.
H shuffles their deck.
H draws a Silver, a Gold, 2 Sentries and a Taxman.

Turn 19 - Omastar68
O plays a Sentry.
O draws a Platinum.
O reveals a Copper and a Sentry.
O trashes a Copper.
O topdecks a Sentry.
O plays a Festival.
O plays a Goons.
H discards a Silver and a Taxman.
O plays a Goons.
O plays a Platinum.
O buys a Sentry.
O gets 2 VP from Goons.
O gains a Sentry.
O buys a Sentry.
O gets 2 VP from Goons.
O gains a Sentry.
O buys a Copper.
O gets 2 VP from Goons.
O gains a Copper.
O buys a Copper.
O gets 2 VP from Goons.
O gains a Copper.
O draws a Silver, a Sentry, a Mountebank, a Platinum and a Candlestick Maker.

Turn 20 - HappyMcPherson
H plays a Sentry.
H draws a Curse.
H reveals a Gold and a Baker.
H topdecks a Gold and a Baker.
H plays a Sentry.
H draws a Baker.
H reveals a Gold and a Baker.
H topdecks a Gold and a Baker.
H plays a Baker.
H draws a Baker.
H plays a Baker.
H draws a Gold.
H plays 2 Golds.
H buys and gains a Mountebank.
H draws a Copper, a Silver, a Colony, a Platinum and a Candlestick Maker.

Turn 20 - Omastar68
O plays a Sentry.
O draws a Copper.
O reveals a Copper and a Gold.
O trashes a Copper.
O topdecks a Gold.
O plays a Candlestick Maker.
O plays a Mountebank.
H gains a Curse and a Copper.
O plays a Silver, a Copper and a Platinum.
O buys and gains a Platinum.
O shuffles their deck.
O draws a Copper, a Gold, a Sentry, a Platinum and a Baker.

Turn 21 - HappyMcPherson
H plays a Silver, a Copper and a Platinum.
H buys and gains a Colony.
H draws a Silver, an Estate, an Artisan, a Sentry and a Baker.

Turn 21 - Omastar68
O plays a Sentry.
O draws a Mountebank.
O reveals a Sentry and a Platinum.
O topdecks a Sentry and a Platinum.
O plays a Baker.
O draws a Sentry.
O plays a Sentry.
O draws a Platinum.
O reveals a Silver and a Sentry.
O topdecks a Silver and a Sentry.
O plays a Mountebank.
H gains a Curse and a Copper.
O plays a Copper, a Gold and 2 Platina.
O buys and gains a Colony.
O draws a Silver, a Festival, 2 Sentries and a Taxman.

Turn 22 - HappyMcPherson
H plays a Sentry.
H draws a Copper.
H reveals a Gold and a Sentry.
H topdecks a Gold and a Sentry.
H plays a Baker.
H draws a Sentry.
H plays a Sentry.
H draws a Gold.
H reveals a Copper and a Platinum.
H trashes a Copper.
H topdecks a Platinum.
H plays an Artisan.
H gains a Baker.
H topdecks a Baker.
H plays a Silver, a Copper and a Gold.
H buys and gains a Platinum.
H draws a Curse, a Copper, a Platinum, a Baker and a Candlestick Maker.

Turn 22 - Omastar68
O plays a Sentry.
O draws a Platinum.
O reveals an Artisan and a Candlestick Maker.
O topdecks an Artisan and a Candlestick Maker.
O plays a Sentry.
O draws an Artisan.
O reveals a Goons and a Candlestick Maker.
O topdecks a Goons and a Candlestick Maker.
O plays a Festival.
O plays a Taxman.
O trashes a Silver.
O gains a Gold.
H reveals a Gold, a Sentry, a Platinum, a Baker and a Mountebank.
O plays an Artisan.
O gains a Baker.
O topdecks a Baker.
O plays a Platinum.
O buys and gains a Mountebank and a Candlestick Maker.
O draws a Copper, a Gold, a Goons, a Baker and a Candlestick Maker.

Turn 23 - HappyMcPherson
H plays a Candlestick Maker.
H plays a Baker.
H draws a Candlestick Maker.
H plays a Candlestick Maker.
H plays a Copper and a Platinum.
H buys and gains a Baker.
H shuffles their deck.
H draws a Gold, an Estate, a Platinum, a Baker and a Taxman.

Turn 23 - Omastar68
O plays a Baker.
O draws a Merchant.
O plays a Candlestick Maker.
O plays a Merchant.
O draws a Goons.
O plays a Goons.
H discards an Estate and a Taxman.
O plays a Copper and a Gold.
O buys a Candlestick Maker.
O gets 1 VP from Goons.
O gains a Candlestick Maker.
O buys a Candlestick Maker.
O gets 1 VP from Goons.
O gains a Candlestick Maker.
O buys a Candlestick Maker.
O gets 1 VP from Goons.
O gains a Candlestick Maker.
O draws 2 Coppers, a Sentry, a Baker and a Candlestick Maker.

Turn 24 - HappyMcPherson
H plays a Baker.
H draws a Platinum.
H plays a Gold and 2 Platina.
H buys and gains a Colony.
H draws a Copper, an Artisan, a Baker and 2 Candlestick Makers.

Turn 24 - Omastar68
O plays a Sentry.
O draws a Sentry.
O reveals a Silver and a Festival.
O topdecks a Silver and a Festival.
O plays a Baker.
O draws a Silver.
O plays a Sentry.
O draws a Festival.
O reveals a Silver and a Baker.
O topdecks a Silver and a Baker.
O plays a Candlestick Maker.
O plays a Festival.
O plays a Silver and 2 Coppers.
O buys and gains a Baker.
O shuffles their deck.
O draws a Silver, a Sentry, a Goons, a Platinum and a Baker.

Turn 25 - HappyMcPherson
H plays a Baker.
H draws a Baker.
H plays a Candlestick Maker.
H plays a Candlestick Maker.
H plays a Baker.
H draws a Curse.
H plays an Artisan.
H gains a Festival.
H topdecks a Festival.
H plays a Copper.
H draws a Copper, a Silver, a Festival, a Platinum and a Candlestick Maker.

Turn 25 - Omastar68
O plays a Sentry.
O draws a Goons.
O reveals a Copper and a Sentry.
O trashes a Copper.
O topdecks a Sentry.
O plays a Baker.
O draws a Sentry.
O plays a Sentry.
O draws a Candlestick Maker.
O reveals a Copper and a Sentry.
O trashes a Copper.
O topdecks a Sentry.
O plays a Candlestick Maker.
O plays a Goons.
H discards a Copper and a Candlestick Maker.
O plays a Silver and a Platinum.
O buys a Colony.
O gets 1 VP from Goons.
O gains a Colony.
O buys a Colony.
O gets 1 VP from Goons.
O gains a Colony.
O buys a Copper.
O gets 1 VP from Goons.
O gains a Copper.
O draws an Artisan, a Merchant, a Sentry, a Baker and a Taxman.

Turn 26 - HappyMcPherson
H plays a Festival.
H plays a Silver and a Platinum.
H buys and gains a Colony.
H draws a Gold, a Sentry, a Mountebank, a Platinum and a Baker.

Turn 26 - Omastar68
O plays a Baker.
O draws a Baker.
O plays a Baker.
O draws a Platinum.
O plays a Platinum.
O buys and gains a Candlestick Maker.
O draws a Copper, a Silver, a Colony, a Mountebank and a Candlestick Maker.

I hate the look of that, but hopefully some kind soul will pretty things up for me(again lol, but codes and stuff give me a headache.)

But the log isn't the point. I won, but I made several mistakes, only one of which I can easily think of though, giving them an easy 3 pile ending when they're so close on land. I'm wondering what you should actually do on this kingdom though, since there are 5 very influential 5s, and even two 6s that present a tough choice...plus you got Platinums and Taxman is better w/ those.

I think it's easy to rule out Trade Route, but other than that I mostly went w/ my gut I guess. You can never go wrong w/ Goons...or Mountebank...or Sentry...which do you get first lol?
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Re: There are like 30 strategies here
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2017, 09:10:43 pm »
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Try putting the log in [ code ] tags next time?

Sentry / Silver into maybe one more Sentry if you get $5 on turn 3, otherwise one Mountebank and then Goons. No draw limits what you can really do.

Taxman sucks normally, but I guess you can't get rid of your Coppers here so it wouldn't be terrible if it didn't have so much competition for terminal space.
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Re: There are like 30 strategies here
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2017, 09:15:27 pm »
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Something is terribly wrong with the log. The Taxman reveals card that the other person never bought. :P

Taxman seems terrible, you want to trash your treasure cards and not upgrade them. You can just load up on Bakers and maybe Merchants. Candlestick Maker seems also not great here as you have +Buy in Goons and it doesn't draw. And buying Mountebank turn 10 can't be right, definitely earlier.
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Re: There are like 30 strategies here
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2017, 09:45:24 pm »
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Lot of hate for Taxman :( I don't really like it that much though, and I guess it makes sense. Sentry will get a lot of your Coppers w/o being terminal. Upgrading them is nice though, and I like the attack a bit, why I went for it. Mine is one of my favorites...more online for some reason, but w/e.

Good insight on Candlestick, I just think about how it doesn't eat up an action and gives a coin token, but w/ no card draw and the buy being irrelevant(largely, extra 1 VP from Goons,) it isn't good. I'll have to remember that, I have lost irl by getting too mans Sticks. but even w/ bad synergy w/ the board, is it worth getting on a 5/2 opening in this kind of board?

Baker is a pretty boring card imo, and i don't think it's worth getting many...even though we emptied the pile xd. But that starting token changes things so much. Should you always pay it on a 4 hand if there's a strong 5 you want early(sentry, Cultist, Witch, Mountebank, etc.,) or is it likely saving it will pay off?

It sounds like getting Mountebank early is very important...but sentry first(mayb 2.) That is more or less what my prior understanding of early cursers already was...but I got distracted by all the good cards. i mean Baker is better the more you're playing it, and you need Festival w/ these actions that are all great:/

No one mentioned Artisan, could someone give an opinion on that? I like it a lot and it seems pretty strong...Goons though. Kinda have to have those, and Colony games are longer too. is just ignoring Artisan a good idea? IMO kingdom should've had alt-VP and/or treasure instead of one of those terminals.

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Re: There are like 30 strategies here
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2017, 10:00:43 pm »
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It's rare that you don't want to spend the Coin Token on your opening buys, especially on 4/3 you can usually a strong 5 on your opening. On 5/2 I just would get Silver over Candlestick Maker. Baker is nice because of Artisan. You want one Artisan and can then get all the Bakers and some Festivals (although not too many because it doesn't draw, you only need the +2 Actions)
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Re: There are like 30 strategies here
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2017, 10:14:02 pm »
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It's rare that you don't want to spend the Coin Token on your opening buys, especially on 4/3 you can usually a strong 5 on your opening. On 5/2 I just would get Silver over Candlestick Maker. Baker is nice because of Artisan. You want one Artisan and can then get all the Bakers and some Festivals (although not too many because it doesn't draw, you only need the +2 Actions)
Artisan CSM is an option on a 5(6)/2.
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Re: There are like 30 strategies here
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2017, 10:16:14 pm »
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It's rare that you don't want to spend the Coin Token on your opening buys, especially on 4/3 you can usually a strong 5 on your opening. On 5/2 I just would get Silver over Candlestick Maker. Baker is nice because of Artisan. You want one Artisan and can then get all the Bakers and some Festivals (although not too many because it doesn't draw, you only need the +2 Actions)
Artisan CSM is an option on a 5(6)/2.

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Re: There are like 30 strategies here
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2017, 07:05:36 am »
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It's rare that you don't want to spend the Coin Token on your opening buys, especially on 4/3 you can usually a strong 5 on your opening. On 5/2 I just would get Silver over Candlestick Maker. Baker is nice because of Artisan. You want one Artisan and can then get all the Bakers and some Festivals (although not too many because it doesn't draw, you only need the +2 Actions)
Artisan CSM is an option on a 5(6)/2.
I don't think it's worth it. Artisan over Mountebank or Sentry delays the attack/trashing too much (it's pretty likely that you don't get to play it on the second shuffle), and CSM is just a stop card that you cannot afford.

Your deck will have enough stoppers already: Artisan, Mountebank, Festival*2 and Goons is already a 5-card hand. Anything above that reduces your reliability quite a bit.
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