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Do bot games affect ranking?
« on: January 25, 2017, 04:02:37 pm »
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Especially bot games where you resigned? I've resigned dozens of games against the bot at the very beginning because I didn't want to play that particular kingdom. If bot games count, I'm going to have a terrible ranking.
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Re: Do bot games affect ranking?
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2017, 06:22:28 pm »
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The developers have said that bot games will never count in the rankings, presumably for exactly the reasons you mention.
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Re: Do bot games affect ranking?
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2017, 07:08:15 pm »
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I've been resigning a lot of games that have pretty much only the default familiar cards.  I really hate to resign, especially to new players that are getting a "first impression" of the game.  But it's like, after the 10th Chapel-Workshop-Village-Gardens-... game in a row, it's like come on already.  Anybody else do this?  I assume this all counts towards rankings, right?  But it's just not worth it, with how the current Quick Match / familiar cards infrastructure works.  Of course this could be avoided with Good Match, but that has its own set of pains (long wait time, don't play new players very often, etc.).
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Re: Do bot games affect ranking?
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2017, 07:10:22 pm »
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Atm no games count towards ratings at all.
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Re: Do bot games affect ranking?
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2017, 07:24:48 pm »
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Of course this could be avoided with Good Match, but that has its own set of pains (long wait time, don't play new players very often, etc.).

For me, "Good Match" is "wait until jaybeez comes online" match. Jaybeez is great, but I'd like to be matched up against someone even when jaybeez isn't around! (The rating criteria should be adjustable!)
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Re: Do bot games affect ranking?
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2017, 10:28:23 am »
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Atm no games count towards ratings at all.

That's not true is it? The FAQ says that the ranking exists, there's just no interface to view your ranking. But rankings are used for "good match".
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Re: Do bot games affect ranking?
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2017, 10:34:48 am »
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The ratings used for matching are the old isotropish ratings for now.
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Re: Do bot games affect ranking?
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2017, 10:36:06 am »
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I've been resigning a lot of games that have pretty much only the default familiar cards.  I really hate to resign, especially to new players that are getting a "first impression" of the game.  But it's like, after the 10th Chapel-Workshop-Village-Gardens-... game in a row, it's like come on already.  Anybody else do this?  I assume this all counts towards rankings, right?  But it's just not worth it, with how the current Quick Match / familiar cards infrastructure works.  Of course this could be avoided with Good Match, but that has its own set of pains (long wait time, don't play new players very often, etc.).

Yeah, when Stef and SCSN introduced "familiar cards", I was like, "Awesome, what a novel way to slowly introduce new cards to players!" And then it turns out that cards you use aren't automatically added to "familiar cards", and most players don't bother to adjust those settings. I mean I should have known better than to expect common sense from Shuffle iT, but come on.
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Re: Do bot games affect ranking?
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2017, 10:42:25 am »
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Of course this could be avoided with Good Match, but that has its own set of pains (long wait time, don't play new players very often, etc.).

For me, "Good Match" is "wait until jaybeez comes online" match. Jaybeez is great, but I'd like to be matched up against someone even when jaybeez isn't around! (The rating criteria should be adjustable!)

But... Good Match will match you against someone, ignoring familiar cards.
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Re: Do bot games affect ranking?
« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2017, 10:43:12 am »
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I mean I should have known better than to expect common sense from Shuffle iT, but come on.

Is this meant light-heartedly, or are you actually insulting them?
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Re: Do bot games affect ranking?
« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2017, 11:16:17 am »
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I mean I should have known better than to expect common sense from Shuffle iT, but come on.

Is this meant light-heartedly, or are you actually insulting them?

I am totally insulting them. To be fair, they've done pretty well considering they're two dudes with no game-making experience. But they're still WAY behind, and their priorities are pretty messed up.
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Re: Do bot games affect ranking?
« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2017, 11:20:00 am »
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I like ShuffleIT's implementation....
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Re: Do bot games affect ranking?
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2017, 11:23:45 am »
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I like ShuffleIT's implementation....

I enjoy playing it, too. It's pretty great for hardcore Dominion players. It's a huge step back for everybody else.
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Re: Do bot games affect ranking?
« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2017, 11:35:58 am »
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I like ShuffleIT's implementation....

I enjoy playing it, too. It's pretty great for hardcore Dominion players. It's a huge step back for everybody else.
Yeah, but I'm not a hardcore dominion player. I can just accept the fact that they don't have X yet and enjoy using Y.
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Re: Do bot games affect ranking?
« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2017, 11:45:22 am »
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I like ShuffleIT's implementation....

I enjoy playing it, too. It's pretty great for hardcore Dominion players. It's a huge step back for everybody else.

I think it might behoove them to hire on some more staff, even if just for administrative stuff.  I mean, you see great games put up on Steam made by one or two people (Banished, Undertale, Stardew Valley), but they usually spend years doing it.
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Re: Do bot games affect ranking?
« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2017, 11:55:15 am »
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I like ShuffleIT's implementation....

I enjoy playing it, too. It's pretty great for hardcore Dominion players. It's a huge step back for everybody else.

I think it might behoove them to hire on some more staff, even if just for administrative stuff.  I mean, you see great games put up on Steam made by one or two people (Banished, Undertale, Stardew Valley), but they usually spend years doing it.

Are they still officially only two people?
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Re: Do bot games affect ranking?
« Reply #16 on: January 26, 2017, 11:59:07 am »
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I think it might behoove them to hire on some more staff, even if just for administrative stuff.  I mean, you see great games put up on Steam made by one or two people (Banished, Undertale, Stardew Valley), but they usually spend years doing it.

I mean, hiring people takes money, which I don't know if they have or not. Speaking as a developer... we're not exactly cheap.
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Re: Do bot games affect ranking?
« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2017, 12:15:11 pm »
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I like ShuffleIT's implementation....

I enjoy playing it, too. It's pretty great for hardcore Dominion players. It's a huge step back for everybody else.

I think it might behoove them to hire on some more staff, even if just for administrative stuff.  I mean, you see great games put up on Steam made by one or two people (Banished, Undertale, Stardew Valley), but they usually spend years doing it.

Are they still officially only two people?

Unless they're actually paying others, yes.
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Re: Do bot games affect ranking?
« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2017, 03:53:46 pm »
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I like ShuffleIT's implementation....

I enjoy playing it, too. It's pretty great for hardcore Dominion players. It's a huge step back for everybody else.

I don't know, man.  I never have difficulty finding a "good match."  So either:

(1) Casual players don't mind nearly as much as you think, or
(2) The hardcore:casual is higher than you think.
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Re: Do bot games affect ranking?
« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2017, 04:22:25 pm »
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Being a casual is far more skippable than people think.
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Re: Do bot games affect ranking?
« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2017, 04:34:15 pm »
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I like ShuffleIT's implementation....

I enjoy playing it, too. It's pretty great for hardcore Dominion players. It's a huge step back for everybody else.

I don't know, man.  I never have difficulty finding a "good match."  So either:

(1) Casual players don't mind nearly as much as you think, or
(2) The hardcore:casual is higher than you think.

Ah, sorry. What I mean is that there are no campaigns and the (single) AI is horrible. Or at least it was horrible on January 1st. Has it improved? Anyway, no campaigns and no mobile client. There's a pretty sizeable group of players who only used MakingFun for play vs. AI, and they are now left without the product they bought or a suitable replacement.

And also the animations need work. That should be priority number one: making the log completely unnecessary for playing the game AND for being able to tell what your opponent(s) are doing.
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Re: Do bot games affect ranking?
« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2017, 05:31:05 pm »
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And also the animations need work. That should be priority number one: making the log completely unnecessary for playing the game AND for being able to tell what your opponent(s) are doing.

See I'm really confused by this, because all I ever heard for years when Goko came out was how terrible and unnecessary the animations were, and how much better it was when Isotropic was around and all you needed was the nice log.

That, and ShuffleIT does animate stuff that's happening... I'm not sure why people are finding the need to look at the log to figure out what's going on.
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Re: Do bot games affect ranking?
« Reply #22 on: January 26, 2017, 06:42:15 pm »
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And also the animations need work. That should be priority number one: making the log completely unnecessary for playing the game AND for being able to tell what your opponent(s) are doing.

See I'm really confused by this, because all I ever heard for years when Goko came out was how terrible and unnecessary the animations were, and how much better it was when Isotropic was around and all you needed was the nice log.

That, and ShuffleIT does animate stuff that's happening... I'm not sure why people are finding the need to look at the log to figure out what's going on.

My take wasn't that there were animations, it's that the animations they had were gaudy and flashy and annoying.  Same thing with their sounds and music - their sounds and music were annoying as all hell.  That doesn't mean I don't want sounds and music.

Also, people liked iso, and rah rah nostalgia whatever.
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Re: Do bot games affect ranking?
« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2017, 06:45:25 pm »
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Also, you initially couldn't turn off animations on goko. Also, having to do things from the log is a big no no, IMO.
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Re: Do bot games affect ranking?
« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2017, 08:35:18 pm »
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That, and ShuffleIT does animate stuff that's happening... I'm not sure why people are finding the need to look at the log to figure out what's going on.

There are many events that are not visually displayed except in the log.

Then there are events that aren't shown anywhere, not even in the log.

I'm really enjoying the ShuffleIt implementation, and I'm cheering for them and supporting them $$$, but these things need to be addressed ASAP.
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