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[IDontPlayThisGame]

So is RR now the only person not on one of 2 main wagons?

I'm in the good timezone though.

What's your opinion on a no-lynch?

[Roadrunner7671]

So is RR now the only person not on one of 2 main wagons?

I'm in the good timezone though.

What's your opinion on a no-lynch?

Very negative

[Robz888]

So... you gonna vote?

[mcmcsalot]

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I get what you are saying here, that I am tunneling you and am also pursuing a lynch oriented playstyle however the difference is that before I made that post asking players not voting you to explain themselves, we were hours away from deadline with tons of people saying they wouldn't be around and votes all over the place, I think now is an okay time to start pivoting towards finding a lynch instead of finding reads.

you started tunneling me a while ago. you actually hugely remind me of me, as scum, tunneling pps in M87: he did something that i thought was fair to call anti-town, and i kept going on about it pretty much until i died. i think this is much easier to do as scum: you can go for the lynch while actually believing what you're saying, whereas if i say a reaction doesn't sound genuine, i would know that i'm wrong if i'm scum
I can see that if I wanted to lynch you based off of you doing something anti-town, i didn't want to lynch you until you later tried to get town cred for making the joke.

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Again it's posts like this that make me think you are scum. I have given tons of reason why I think your joke post about being a dayvig is bad for town. I disagree that jokes help us get out of Rvs, I disagree that the reactions to it we get are alignment indicative of people like Dylan and thus I think it's wasted scumhunting. I even made a post appealing to others that maybe we just disagree on Rvs stage and what should be done during it. But now you keep saying I am giving no reasons other than "it's anti-town".

ah, right. i uh kinda forgot about those. you didn't say any of them for a long time, though, and faust & i asked you to do so. and i guess that they are a point where we disagree. i mean, the reason that scum gets caught in this game, as far as i understand, is that townie reasoning and reactions are just hard to fake, and things like surprise, confusion, et cetera are easy to tell apart from town than from scum (there was a thing about this from mafiascum that i will try to find later). if the beginning of the game goes in a very slow, scripted, and non-distinguished manner, then scum will be reacting to things in situation they have a lot of practice with.
this is the best defense you have given so far and its that you finnaly admit I am making a point we just disagree about it. The fact that it took this long and you have been arguing with me over this for awhile and you aren't even sure of what I have and haven't said is worrisome, it's almost as though you don't care if I am making points because they are against you so I must be scum. This is a best very omgussy and at worst scummy.

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Responses in bold so sorry for being gone this long, I catching up reading and will lynch others if needed.

[mcmcsalot]

Vote: schadd

This after schadd's defense and Cal's reasoning actually seem's scummy to me. If schadd is town scum!awaclus really wants the wagon to go through as I think multiple people(me and gkreig for sure) said we would lynch awaclus and this was as the wagon was losing a bit of steam.

[mcmcsalot]

M90 mcmc correctly scumread eevee, because he thought that eevee's reaction to an RVS joke-thing wasn't genuine

Completely wrong, I pushed eevee for immediatley saying we shouldn't talk about the roles or setup. I scum shamed everyone in that game for not voting witherweaver for making a joke about being a pgo and not immediately clearing things up. Keeping my vote here for sure.

[mcmcsalot]

don't think i have anything more to say about mcmc right now, i'm reading him in M90 & 91


collecting your salon of moms, tearing love apart

oh so you made your claim about knowing what i did in M90 before you read about me in M90, I guess thats better than you reading and blatantly misrepresenting but ugh if you are town, clue for next time don't assume the person pushing you is scum and not mount a clear defense because you think they won't listen...and if you are going to omgus them definitely have good reasons.

[mcmcsalot]

Vote: mcmc

yay awaclus you should keep voting without saying anything its super helpful...

[schadd]

i wasn't getting towncred, i was pointing out why your argument that it was anti-town was wrong.

M90 mcmc correctly scumread eevee, because he thought that eevee's reaction to an RVS joke-thing wasn't genuine

Completely wrong, I pushed eevee for immediatley saying we shouldn't talk about the roles or setup. I scum shamed everyone in that game for not voting witherweaver for making a joke about being a pgo and not immediately clearing things up. Keeping my vote here for sure.

oh?

Hi guys; I'm a one-shot PGO.

Interesting. I see no reason not to believe this.

A claim and you outright believing it. Which I agree with but am not quite sure why it needs to be individually acknowledged, this is a classic "I'm contributing" post.

Then these two posts happen:

I stop playing Mafia and suddenly nobody knows what a joke is.

Claim cancelled?

I really think innocent joke is a much more likely scenario than a scum plot that was suddenly abandoned for no reason at all.

So WW comes in and makes a pretty ambiguous statement, and you latch on like obviously it's a harmless joke. Also while I agree I think WW made an anti town joke, the scum narrative here is definitely not fake claim day one and hope it works, it's to joke about a claim and provide discussion/confusion/potentially counterclaims/potentially provides an alibi.

All in all you seem to have been pushing people to believe the things that you want them to and passing it off like it's just what everyone thinks. Also how quickly you went from being super concerned about theory talk to defending WW and trying to see if you could get anyone pushing against WW lynched is super scummy. The chances that scum!eevee saw town!ww make an anti town move and you are now using that to safely scumhunt people who through shade at WW.

note the bolded part


you didn't vote ww at all for the rest of the game

[schadd]

Vote: mcmc

yay awaclus you should keep voting without saying anything its super helpful...

he does that. it's why yuma quit, kinda

[schadd]

don't think i have anything more to say about mcmc right now, i'm reading him in M90 & 91


collecting your salon of moms, tearing love apart

oh so you made your claim about knowing what i did in M90 before you read about me in M90, I guess thats better than you reading and blatantly misrepresenting but ugh if you are town, clue for next time don't assume the person pushing you is scum and not mount a clear defense because you think they won't listen...and if you are going to omgus them definitely have good reasons.

"ugh" is bad emotions. shame on you


http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=8688663#p8688663
look at the bottom of point 3

[Roadrunner7671]

So... you gonna vote?

Yeah

[mcmcsalot]

i wasn't getting towncred, i was pointing out why your argument that it was anti-town was wrong.

M90 mcmc correctly scumread eevee, because he thought that eevee's reaction to an RVS joke-thing wasn't genuine

Completely wrong, I pushed eevee for immediatley saying we shouldn't talk about the roles or setup. I scum shamed everyone in that game for not voting witherweaver for making a joke about being a pgo and not immediately clearing things up. Keeping my vote here for sure.

oh?

Hi guys; I'm a one-shot PGO.

Interesting. I see no reason not to believe this.

A claim and you outright believing it. Which I agree with but am not quite sure why it needs to be individually acknowledged, this is a classic "I'm contributing" post.

Then these two posts happen:

I stop playing Mafia and suddenly nobody knows what a joke is.

Claim cancelled?

I really think innocent joke is a much more likely scenario than a scum plot that was suddenly abandoned for no reason at all.

So WW comes in and makes a pretty ambiguous statement, and you latch on like obviously it's a harmless joke. Also while I agree I think WW made an anti town joke, the scum narrative here is definitely not fake claim day one and hope it works, it's to joke about a claim and provide discussion/confusion/potentially counterclaims/potentially provides an alibi.

All in all you seem to have been pushing people to believe the things that you want them to and passing it off like it's just what everyone thinks. Also how quickly you went from being super concerned about theory talk to defending WW and trying to see if you could get anyone pushing against WW lynched is super scummy. The chances that scum!eevee saw town!ww make an anti town move and you are now using that to safely scumhunt people who through shade at WW.

note the bolded part


you didn't vote ww at all for the rest of the game

I was already voting for eevee.

I don't think it's super likely for scum!ww to decides o put himself out there so early for no reason.

Also I agree eevee's statement about no claiming is worrying. Unlike ww's claim, scum!eeve benefits from seeming like he's helping town whilst killing potential discussions that get the game started.

vote: eevee

Also even in the quote you provided I am not scumreading eevee because I "thought that eevee's reaction to an RVS joke-thing wasn't genuine" I am scum reading eevee because he was pushing people to believe things he was saying with this sort of "we all feel this way" attitude I found really scummy and that his opening posts of being concerned about theory talk and then trying to get towncred for defending ww and saying it was just a joke, it wasn't scummy.

Lets bring it all around to you who made a very similar anti-town joke that witherweaver did. In that game witherweaver got some crap for making the comment and then scum came in and tried to find a way to get town cred from the whole situation, I caught on to that and tunneled eevee till he scumslipped. In this game you made an anti-town joke and didn't get much crap for it, then the one person who did give you crap(dylan) looked like he didn't have many allies and you went after him, you also then tried to make it sound like you did town this great service in bringing us out of rvs when I claimed your joke was anti town. See how you look much more like the eevee in this situation!

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Ummmm RR VOTE!!!!!

[schadd]

dylan didn't give me crap for it. he actually suggested that it was too bold for me to do as scum.


he didn't have any allies? faust townread him right away.


i didn't suggest that it was protown until after, like, the 5th time you said it was anti-town. i only ever said it could be pro-town—and i only said it was pro-town in this game in that it gave reads about dylan—when you said that there wasn't any way that it could give genuinely alignment-indicative information, and i said that it gave you and faust townreads on dylan. which never stopped being true.

[Roadrunner7671]

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[Roadrunner7671]

vote: schadd

[schadd]

fuck

[schadd]

i'm town

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

i'm town

Crap

[Roadrunner7671]

Hammer stats

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

i'm town

Flavor?

[schadd]

i mean, i think we're still in good shape. and there's also the possibility that lalight's vote didn't count

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

i'm town

Flavor?

Nvm

[schadd]

why didn't mcmc claim?