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Season 19 - Game Reports & Discussion
« on: January 08, 2017, 07:08:59 pm »
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If you want to write about a game you or someone else played during the league, or post links to video coverage, please do so in this thread.

If you've lost a game and want to ask for advice, you can also post it here
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Re: Season 19 - Game Reports & Discussion
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2017, 03:19:15 am »
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B1 vs schadd

Game 1: https://youtu.be/CogpyyjER9A
Up against the Wall

Game 2: https://youtu.be/QIu-aONTTmc
Donate to the Bishops

Game 3: https://youtu.be/ZuKiCe02-G8
Poor House engine vs the singletons

Game 4: https://youtu.be/nuS7ujBQE94
Artisan advantage

Game 5: https://youtu.be/nmFb-BLxzpQ
Brilliant mass gain for the K.O.!

Game 6: https://youtu.be/lhknM_Fd-0M
Strength of Sauna
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Re: Season 19 - Game Reports & Discussion
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2017, 11:11:30 am »
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Game 5: https://youtu.be/nmFb-BLxzpQ
Brilliant mass gain for the K.O.!

You have to watch game 5, it features an infinite combo that empties two piles no matter how big they are.

If you don't want to watch it, here it is in a nutshell:

Start with 2 Actions, have Develop, Fortress and Lost City in hand, play Develop on Fortress to topdeck Lost City and Develop, play Lost City, rinse and repeat infinitely.
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Re: Season 19 - Game Reports & Discussion
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2017, 06:28:49 pm »
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Game 2: https://youtu.be/QIu-aONTTmc
Donate to the Bishops
A stronger golden deck would have been:
Bazaar x2, Bishop x2, Swamp Hag x2, Hunting Grounds
Each turn: Duration Swamp Hag for $3, Play Bazaar, Play Bishop - trashing Hunting Grounds - gaining Duchy, Play Bazaar, Play Bishop - trashing Duchy, Play Swamp Hag, Buy Hunting Grounds
7 VP per turn.  If the Duchies run out before the Provinces, replace Hunting Grounds with Gold, Bishop a Bishop and buy a Province.

But is there is time to set up the stronger golden deck before the simple golden deck grabs too many Provinces?  Assume you played the same through turn 5.  Your deck is Bishop, Silver x3, Copper.
Turn 6: Play Bishop - trash Copper, Buy Swamp Hag
Turn 7: Play Swamp Hag, Buy Swamp Hag
Turn 8: Duration Swamp Hag, Play Swamp Hag, Buy Bazaar.
Turn 9: Duration Swamp Hag, Play Bazaar, Play Bishop - trash Silver, Play Swamp Hag, Buy Bazaar
Turn 10: Duration Swamp Hag, Play Bazaar, Play Bazaar, Play Bishop - trash Silver, Play Swamp Hag, Buy Bishop
Turn 11: Duration Swamp Hag, Play Bazaar, Play Bazaar, Play Bishop - trash Silver, Play Swamp Hag, Buy Hunting Grounds
Turn 12+: Optimal golden deck

You start attacking with Swamp Hag on turn 7.  You gain 7 VP on turns 6-11 from Bishops.  Hard to say if the Swamp Hag attack is disruptive enough to give the win to this strategy.  If you're being attacked, you can transition into the following deck:
Bazaar x3, Bishop x2, Swamp Hag x2, Curse - trashing Curse and Bazaar each turn.  4 VP per turn.

Another golden deck that is resistant to Swamp Hag is:
Bazaar x4, Bishop, Swamp Hag x2, Province, Watchtower - trash Curse with Watchtower, trash Province to Bishop.  5 VP per turn.
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Re: Season 19 - Game Reports & Discussion
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2017, 08:16:07 pm »
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Those are definitely stronger golden decks! My plan was to construct a deck something like this if I was up against the Swamp Hag: Bazaar x2, Watchtower, Bishop, Gold, Silver, Province. It's not 100% (1/21 chance that I stall, did I do that right?) solid but I could still trash Province and gain Bazaar if I stalled (which would set me up to buy Province the following turn). Additionally, I may have to take a Curse because I would have to use Watchtower for draw (not sure of this chance).
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Re: Season 19 - Game Reports & Discussion
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2017, 09:10:54 pm »
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Those are definitely stronger golden decks! My plan was to construct a deck something like this if I was up against the Swamp Hag: Bazaar x2, Watchtower, Bishop, Gold, Silver, Province. It's not 100% (1/21 chance that I stall, did I do that right?) solid but I could still trash Province and gain Bazaar if I stalled (which would set me up to buy Province the following turn). Additionally, I may have to take a Curse because I would have to use Watchtower for draw (not sure of this chance).

With that deck there would be a 2/7 chance that a Bazaar is your last card.  If you start with one Bazaar in hand, you could play the Watchtower to draw the second Bazaar, but then you get a Curse.  I think it would be better (so long as there is more than one Province left) to just buy a Gold or Bazaar instead of a Province.  So, that deck is solid.  Better than the 4x Bazaar monstrosity I came up with.  I was too focused on keeping the stop card count below 5 that I didn't think about mitigating the downside on the turns where you miss a Bazaar.

Regarding turn 2 Overlord on game 5: I think that is absolutely correct.  I think a turn 2 Overlord is usually correct, but it is especially strong on that board for the following reasons:
  • Trading Post is great in the early game, but poor later on.  Overlord can be Trading Post early.
  • Overlord can work around the Lost City on-gain penalty.  A Lost City for 8 debt would be a fine card by itself.
  • Develop is a card that is situationally great (especially with Fortress, of course).  With Overlord(s), you don't need to add a Develop to your deck.
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Re: Season 19 - Game Reports & Discussion
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2017, 01:38:36 am »
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I do like the third Bazaar. I might give a turn 2 Overlord a crack one day!
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Re: Season 19 - Game Reports & Discussion
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2017, 09:22:07 pm »
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Re: Season 19 - Game Reports & Discussion
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2017, 01:53:12 pm »
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Finally uploaded my match with drsteelhammer. He played very well. I learned some stuff!

First 5 games:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrCqt3y5fKU

Last game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQwDlIWev-A&t=275s

I need to figure out how to embed the video here.
I also need to figure out how to record from the browser rather than use display capture.
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Re: Season 19 - Game Reports & Discussion
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2017, 02:30:44 am »
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vs Derg17

Game 1: https://youtu.be/rPOskOAwgko
The Black Market drinking game

Game 2: https://youtu.be/YcWwnXnvMVY
Diplomats among the Goons in the Fishing Village and they all wore Masquerades...

Game 3: https://youtu.be/CeqIZRIam2w
Only a few Poor Houses at the Crossroads

Game 4: https://youtu.be/rDacuHvZc7E
Wishing for Windfall

Game 5: https://youtu.be/iFRArVbf_a0
Dominated

Game 6: https://youtu.be/jWpquYM7UkQ
Simple and strong
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Re: Season 19 - Game Reports & Discussion
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2017, 07:05:54 am »
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Here's my first match this season in A against gamesou (at least 4 of the games I could salvage):

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Re: Season 19 - Game Reports & Discussion
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2017, 09:08:52 am »
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Finally uploaded my match with drsteelhammer. He played very well. I learned some stuff!

First 5 games:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrCqt3y5fKU

Last game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQwDlIWev-A&t=275s

I need to figure out how to embed the video here.
I also need to figure out how to record from the browser rather than use display capture.

I'm glad my Death cart/rats thing doesn't look as awful from your POV as it was. Also, the triumphal arch points were significant which I neglected for a long time(then playing a bunch of rats to mitigate it :P ) You definitely deserved that one.

And the Diplomat thing was unlucky- I'm sure we would have gotten a close game if you knew how it works completely. Btw another cute trick besides warehouse was necrobles +diplomat which gives 3actions-> rest of the nobles can be draw. My caravan was obnoxiously annoying for that, though (was a caravan ever annoying before?)

I actually skipped ST there because of Grand Market, in case you were wondering, I think Warehouse+Diplomat was superior with as much TP plays as possible.
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Re: Season 19 - Game Reports & Discussion
« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2017, 09:15:31 am »
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vs Derg17

Game 1: https://youtu.be/rPOskOAwgko
The Black Market drinking game

Game 2: https://youtu.be/YcWwnXnvMVY
Diplomats among the Goons in the Fishing Village and they all wore Masquerades...

Game 3: https://youtu.be/CeqIZRIam2w
Only a few Poor Houses at the Crossroads

Game 4: https://youtu.be/rDacuHvZc7E
Wishing for Windfall

Game 5: https://youtu.be/iFRArVbf_a0
Dominated

Game 6: https://youtu.be/jWpquYM7UkQ
Simple and strong

game1: worst drinking game ever, esp. when some jerks play their BM on their mission turns  :P (btw the bm deck gets shuffled now, you were referencing remembering the order, that is not a thing anymore)

game2: I dislike fishing villages here, maybe two are ok, but beyond that it looks bad. draw is too weak

game3: hate the silver, crossroads and poor hous cost so little, witch is skippable if you build it properly

game5: more beggars! if that strategy were better than dominate, which it wasn't ;)

game6: those hamlets...were all awful. no draw, you can't discard to the first hamlet, why pile them?
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Re: Season 19 - Game Reports & Discussion
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2017, 01:17:14 pm »
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Hi all,

may I ask here:

How can I name a card bought with Black market for mystic?

Canīt find the button for chosing the cards bought with black market.

Thx & regards
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Re: Season 19 - Game Reports & Discussion
« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2017, 01:27:07 pm »
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Hi all,

may I ask here:

How can I name a card bought with Black market for mystic?

Canīt find the button for chosing the cards bought with black market.

Thx & regards

Not yet at all
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Re: Season 19 - Game Reports & Discussion
« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2017, 01:57:52 pm »
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vs tracer

Game 1: https://youtu.be/YwPM59_jiFM
Time the Talisman

Game 2: https://youtu.be/fvhWxcBT4zc
Butcher plays

Game 3: https://youtu.be/KbkslZpc6BY
Baker bank

Game 4: https://youtu.be/nRPf75u9v54
Escaping the Wolf Den (another Sauna experiment)

Game 5: https://youtu.be/FgON4EQi0LE
Horns of Plenty Missions

Game 6: https://youtu.be/_IKyrTrTKjQ
Sentries! Stop that Swamp Hag!
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Re: Season 19 - Game Reports & Discussion
« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2017, 04:39:02 pm »
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vs tracer
Game 1: https://youtu.be/YwPM59_jiFM
Time the Talisman
Game 2: https://youtu.be/fvhWxcBT4zc
Butcher plays
Game 3: https://youtu.be/KbkslZpc6BY
Baker bank
Game 4: https://youtu.be/nRPf75u9v54
Escaping the Wolf Den (another Sauna experiment)
Game 5: https://youtu.be/FgON4EQi0LE
Horns of Plenty Missions
Game 6: https://youtu.be/_IKyrTrTKjQ
Sentries! Stop that Swamp Hag!

My thoughts on these games:

Game 1: I somehow got way behind in this game and I think it happened with Lookouts missing but I am not sure. That vsiewnar getting more unblocked Familiar plays in didn't help with the thinness problem but our early shuffles were roughly the same so this may have been subtle first player.

Game 2: The commentary makes a big deal out of my Vaults - I never really intended to get coin out of them - they were for draw and I think that difference really showed up. I never really had to worry about the additional control that a second Butcher gave since playing both would have left 1 card in hand.

Game 3: Had I been counting uniques I would have won on the last turn rather than taking a tie. Also for reference, Summon Death Cart doesn't work. So I was behind this entire game and never got to do Summon for village tricks. vsiewnar's Silver buy that used a coin token was fortunate for me and I was lucky and happy to take the tie even though there could have been more.

Game 4: I ended up with a mental block on how to continue to build at some point and panicked and then whimpered out. The Sauna buy for me was bad as I should have just gone into Plaza/CR. I may have managed to win this game having played poorly if not for Pirate Ship, but the Gold trash sealed it.

Game 5: This game was pretty much over by turn 4, although more careful Oracle play by my opponent may have made it more interesting - there was at least one turn that I would have done a full dud had he topdecked some stop cards instead of discarding. Going for the 3-pile seemed a lot safer than going for Provinces so that is what I did.

Game 6: Sentry is good for thinning but bad for trashing specific cards, so yeah, Swamp Hag was good. I was a bit fortunate to get one down every turn when I first bought them but the Magpie split helped with that even though 4 would have been sufficient towards the end of the game.

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Re: Season 19 - Game Reports & Discussion
« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2017, 04:59:57 pm »
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Game 3: Had I been counting uniques I would have won on the last turn rather than taking a tie. Also for reference, Summon Death Cart doesn't work. So I was behind this entire game and never got to do Summon for village tricks. vsiewnar's Silver buy that used a coin token was fortunate for me and I was lucky and happy to take the tie even though there could have been more.


I'm guessing the win was in getting another Ruin or Curse to improve Fairgrounds. However, there were only two buys on the last turn; am I missing something? Also, I now see in the log that Summon loses track of Death Cart. Where did it go?!
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Re: Season 19 - Game Reports & Discussion
« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2017, 12:42:27 pm »
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vs tracer

Game 2: https://youtu.be/fvhWxcBT4zc
Butcher plays

Golden decks spotted!  With Tomb, there are a couple decent golden decks you can construct.  Maybe Butcher makes the game too fast for golden decks.  Unclear.

A weak golden deck with good endgame control:
Village x4, Butcher x3, Vault
Play Village x3, Play Butcher x2 - trash Village and Butcher - gain Silver and Butcher, Play Vault, Play Butcher - trash Silver - gain Village.
3 VP per turn
After 2 turns of the golden deck, you'll have 12+ coin tokens, which you can use to spike 3 Provinces when the opportunity arises for a 20 VP turn.

A reliable, but weak, golden deck:
Village x2, Trader, Junk Dealer x3
Play Village, play Trader - trash Village - gain Silver x3, play Junk Dealer x3 - trash Silver x3, Buy Village
4 VP per turn until the Villages run out.  Then you can switch to another $3 card with a 1/6 chance of stalling.

BTW, I like a Chapel + Trader opening here.  You ended up buying/gaining 4+ Silvers anyway.  Turning an Estate and a Chapel into 4 Silvers would have been more efficient, I think.  Then you could use all your buys on Villages and Butchers.

Game 4: https://youtu.be/nRPf75u9v54
Escaping the Wolf Den (another Sauna experiment)

I like Tracer's opening here a lot.  Getting thin quickly while having two Overlords is a great position to be in.  As Tracer mentioned, he didn't know how to build from there.  I would have tried to build with Plazas, Council Rooms, and Golds, and played an Overlord as a Catapult each turn.  Catapult was criminally underused here; the handsize attack can make a big difference, especially if you're playing Council Rooms.  vsiewnar's Pirate Ships at the end were clever.

Game 6: https://youtu.be/_IKyrTrTKjQ
Sentries! Stop that Swamp Hag!

A missed opportunity on the opening, vsiewnar!  Magpie + Overlord would have been great.  Overlord could be any terminal you want - or Sentry - depending on the situation.  With no villages, the flexibility that Overlord provides is tremendous.  Tracer played a very solid game and built exactly the correct amount.
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Re: Season 19 - Game Reports & Discussion
« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2017, 04:22:46 pm »
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A weak golden deck with good endgame control:
Village x4, Butcher x3, Vault
Play Village x3, Play Butcher x2 - trash Village and Butcher - gain Silver and Butcher, Play Vault, Play Butcher - trash Silver - gain Village.
3 VP per turn
After 2 turns of the golden deck, you'll have 12+ coin tokens, which you can use to spike 3 Provinces when the opportunity arises for a 20 VP turn.

A missed opportunity on the opening, vsiewnar!  Magpie + Overlord would have been great.  Overlord could be any terminal you want - or Sentry - depending on the situation.  With no villages, the flexibility that Overlord provides is tremendous.  Tracer played a very solid game and built exactly the correct amount.

I like that golden deck. I didn't even consider any golden deck while playing.

Man, I remembered it on the Sauna game but I totally blanked on this one! Next time there's Overlord (and I remember and it's not, you know, a board of 4-costs or something) I'm getting one on Turn 2!
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« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2017, 10:10:05 pm »
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vs singletee

Game 1: https://youtu.be/V38NkvDVFao
Smuggling

Game 2: https://youtu.be/p91GPwQ20d4
Fat Fairgrounds

Game 3: https://youtu.be/N83oauH71c4
Swindler sniper

Game 4: https://youtu.be/FNeelmi3da8
The +Card token

Game 5: https://youtu.be/VBEJHSTNK2s
Plunderful

Game 6: https://youtu.be/d4LItyzKIMo
Stayin' alive
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Re: Season 19 - Game Reports & Discussion
« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2017, 08:42:28 am »
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My second A match vs. Mic Qsenoch (I've looked it up, it's by far my longest league match ever):

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« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2017, 11:42:29 pm »
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vs singletee

Game 4: https://youtu.be/FNeelmi3da8
The +Card token

Don't sleep on Triumph, indeed.  I was nearly tearing my hair out when I watched this game.  +card first, yes.  And you should have used that extra draw to get more buys with your Pawns.  +buy is key on this board, for pile control and Triumph points.  singletee should have put +buy on Hamlet, IMO, and played with a single Soothsayer.  First, you want the +buy to get more of your components (Pawn and Hamlet), and threaten a pileout.  Because on the last turn, you can get an obscene amount of points from Triumph if you have excess buys (buy Coppers and as many Triumphs as you can afford).  If you're behind in gains (or unsure of your opponent's capability to end it), you can end your turn with a Triumph and Forge the Estate into another component the next turn.  I think Province is a bad buy on this board (though you might gain one or two from Forge).  Pile control and Triumph all the way.
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« Reply #24 on: February 01, 2017, 10:51:40 am »
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