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[guided]

I was playing michaeljb (I think?) today, and he noted that the +$ button still plays your coppers when Grand Market comes up on a Black Market draw. Because it happened to him, and he had exactly $7 with 1 Copper. Oooooops!

[rod-]

I made a rather embarassing mistake in a game against theory earlier this week, where I was trying to buy the final province and found myself only looking at the button instead of my hand, and it said +7.  I searched and searched through my deck for something to do for that last coin, to no avail, then pushed the button, said 'whifff', and bought a duchy.

I still had coppers in my hand.

[Personman]

I was playing michaeljb (I think?) today, and he noted that the +$ button still plays your coppers when Grand Market comes up on a Black Market draw. Because it happened to him, and he had exactly $7 with 1 Copper. Oooooops!

Noted, thanks.

[ehunt]

Agh! I just noticed that the copper plays automatically when you hit the +$ button with something like quarry quarry copper. That just cost me a game!

[CMAR2P2]

Does "[X] identical starting hands" work or am I misunderstanding the concept?

Here's a game log I just played and my first turn was 5 coppers, opponent's 3 coppers:

http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201106/25/game-20110625-105822-87005e78.html

Or do both players need to have it selected?

My selections were:

[X] 2 players
[X] registered players only
point tracker: Require

[X] identical starting hands
[X] use point tracker


I'm not using the point tracker plugin.

BTW - The way the two point tracker options are laid out seems a little awkward. Is the point tracker checkbox really needed? Maybe instead the combo box could be:

Require
Don't Care - Default On
Don't Care - Default Off
Prohibit

This would mean that valid matchups would be:
Require & Require (tracker is on)
Require & Don't Care - Default On (tracker is on)
Require & Don't Care - Default Off (tracker is on)
Don't Care - Default On & Don't Care - Default Off (flip a coin to determine if tracker is on or off)
Don't Care - Default On & Prohibit (tracker is off)
Don't Care - Default Off & Don't Care - Default Off (tracker is off)
Don't Care - Default Off & Prohibit (tracker is off)
Prohibit & Prohibit (tracker is off)

[Randal FTW]

Did you use auto match or did you propose a game? I dont use propose that often but you need to propose a game for that to apply, iirc.

And all i can say about the point tracker is that if i dont check the bottom one my score wont show up in place of the exit and FAQ.

[CMAR2P2]

Ah, that does make sense - I only auto match - though probably means the UI should be clarified as to which option do and don't apply to auto-match vs proposed matches?

[Eagle]

Ah, that does make sense - I only auto match - though probably means the UI should be clarified as to which option do and don't apply to auto-match vs proposed matches?

I believe the same thing applies about specifying or prohibiting certain cards (that it doesn't apply to auto-match)

[Personman]

All the controls below the lobby have no effect on automatch games, and all the automatch controls have no effect on proposed games. Added to the OP, along with info about how Isotropic detects drheld's point tracker.

[hyku]

That is actually one thing I think should be added to the automatch--The identical starting hand option should be pretty easy to add to the automatch and I would use it all the time.

[michaeljb]

I was playing michaeljb (I think?) today, and he noted that the +$ button still plays your coppers when Grand Market comes up on a Black Market draw. Because it happened to him, and he had exactly $7 with 1 Copper. Oooooops!
 

Yup, that was me. The real lesson I learned is that you should really look at what cards you flip from the BM deck before blindly pressing +$. But maybe it only really matters for Mint and Grand Market.

[michaeljb]

That is actually one thing I think should be added to the automatch--The identical starting hand option should be pretty easy to add to the automatch and I would use it all the time.

I agree. Another thing about the automatch setup, I think it'd be nice to set restrictions on the level of the opponents it matches you with.

[Randal FTW]

All the controls below the lobby have no effect on automatch games, and all the automatch controls have no effect on proposed games. Added to the OP, along with info about how Isotropic detects drheld's point tracker.

I think the point tracker is different. If I have the PT at the bottom checked I cannot adjust the PT at the top.

Ok, hmm. I just logged into isotropic to test this, the bottom PT was unchecked and I was able to toggle the top PT. As soon as I check the bottom PT I am locked into 'require' on the top with no way to uncheck the bottom or toggle the top. I've tried logging out and switching accounts and Ive used 'play without logging in' but nothing helps.

edit: im using chrome also

[Personman]

That's weird; this just isn't the case for me in Chrome. Without drheld's extension, I can freely set the two point tracker options differently, for instance checking it for proposed games but prohibiting it for auto-match games, and it behaves appropriately for each type of game. I wonder what's going on here...

[WanderingWinder]

There's a bug where sometimes, when I am set up to be in automatch but then end up playing a non-automatch game, I continue to be in the automatch pool after returning to the lobby, even without having the automatch box checked any more.

[Zaphod]

I think it's great that Isotropic doesn't automatically play the Coppers if you have a chance to get Grand Markets; as others have said, this has saved me once or twice.  However, I wish there was a way to play all the Coppers if you so choose, without having to click each individual Copper.  That can be a little annoying if you have four or five Coppers in your hand.  As far as I'm concerned, if you just click the first Copper (or Silver, or Gold, for that matter), it should just put all of them into play.  I can't think of a situation where playing only one would be beneficial, since you're in the buy stage at that point and you can't play any further actions.

[Jack Rudd]

As far as I'm concerned, if you just click the first Copper (or Silver, or Gold, for that matter), it should just put all of them into play.  I can't think of a situation where playing only one would be beneficial, since you're in the buy stage at that point and you can't play any further actions.

Black Market.

[WanderingWinder]

Moreover, Mint.

[Zaphod]

Okay, fine, I concede that point.  But I'd still appreciate a "Play Coppers" button.

[rattenversammlung]

I'm on Zaphod's side in this issue, and I think the most elegant solution would be, that with GM available you play all noncoppers with the first hit on the +$ button, then you can hit the +$ button again and play all coppers.

easy as π

[DsnowMan]

I third this suggestion.

[Not a Cylon]

Or, if you've played one copper, the +$ button now plays all the rest. You can't buy a Grand Market at that point anyway, so it's as if you didn't have the money.

(Changing the +$ button so that it's not idempotent would probably screw me up when things are laggy and I'm impatient …)

[How Bazaar]

MOAT:  yes, there's a bug.  You only need to click "Reveal Moat" once.  Really.

I see lots of new players click several times, uncertain of what to do when asked the second time about the moat.

You get some funny warnings for clicking moat too many times, which I found out while really bored of an asshole opponent the other day.  I won't spoil it