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Re: M91: trouble in the Scouncil (schadnd mafia) (N2)
« Reply #1900 on: January 25, 2017, 01:12:36 pm »

    it has been long known that, when two of our more vocal Scouncilfolk have a power to delay Scouncil discussion to an extent far greater than that of our siliest silibusters, then it must be concluded that at least one of them is a sneddite. i think it's in the rulebook, even. it was only a matter of time before our fair competitors remembered this. in that matter of time, they spent much of their energy discussing compelling things like vote counts, godfather probabilities, roleblockevvzzz. oh, excuse me, that was the sound of me falling asleep.
    anyway, labatha, could you cut to some live footage of the ones that are still awake?

    "it is through an elaborate stream of analytical thought and computation that we have come to the conclusion that you are a filthy sneddite."
    "zzzwha? okay, cool, i have to do something later so can you guys get this over with?"
    "aight. uh, can you hand me the ceremonial rusty dagger? yeah, that- thanks."
    [hhhghghghk]

Day 3 Final Vote Count


Roadrunner7671 (5): gkrieg13, ashersky, The_Wine_Merchant, Joseph2302, Awaclus
mcmcsalot (1): EFHW

Not voting (2): mcmcsalot, Roadrunner7671

With 8 alive, it took 5 to lynch.

Roadrunner7671 has been lynched! He was the department of the moneyed elite, a mafia 1-shot strongman.

night 3 starts now and ends Jan. 27 at 1 pm forum time. thread locked
« Last Edit: January 29, 2017, 01:55:53 pm by schadd »
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Re: M91: trouble in the Scouncil (schadnd mafia) (N3)
« Reply #1901 on: January 27, 2017, 01:10:35 pm »

   i'm pretty sure we didn't invite any serial killers in here, but this guy has been giving me a bad impre... oh, wait, no, he got totally brained on while our townsfolk were sleeping. that's unfortunate, but the rules are the rules. not the braining part, specifically, that's just a sned thing. you know sneddites, haha

Joseph2302 has been killed in the night! he was the head of the department of the collor yellow, a town universal backup.


Vote count 4.zero

Not voting (6): The_Wine_Merchant, ashersky, Awaclus, EFHW, mcmcsalot, gkrieg13


With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. day 4 begins now and ends feb. 3rd; thread unlocked
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Re: M91: trouble in the Scouncil (schadnd mafia) (N3)
« Reply #1902 on: January 27, 2017, 01:11:59 pm »

Just based off what I remember, I think I was right about EFHW.  I will do a reread, but I would be surprised if EFHW isn't scum here.  Especially with how wagons went yesterday.

Also, I think we should definitely have the RB claim today.
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Re: M91: trouble in the Scouncil (schadnd mafia) (N3)
« Reply #1903 on: January 27, 2017, 01:17:18 pm »

I blocked EFHW, so there's that.
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Re: M91: trouble in the Scouncil (schadnd mafia) (N3)
« Reply #1904 on: January 27, 2017, 01:18:11 pm »

Also, definitely no lynch, right?  Force them to kill me or Awa, whichever they think is townier.
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Re: M91: trouble in the Scouncil (schadnd mafia) (N3)
« Reply #1905 on: January 27, 2017, 01:18:41 pm »

BBTTTT or BBETTT or BBCTTT all work for current claims.
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Re: M91: trouble in the Scouncil (schadnd mafia) (N3)
« Reply #1906 on: January 27, 2017, 01:19:24 pm »

Scum team knew they had one letter wiggle room.  That one letter could be E or C.
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Re: M91: trouble in the Scouncil (schadnd mafia) (N3)
« Reply #1907 on: January 27, 2017, 01:22:19 pm »

Also, I'd be surprised if scum didn't know I was the RB anyway, so I don't clear EFhW completely.
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Re: M91: trouble in the Scouncil (schadnd mafia) (N3)
« Reply #1908 on: January 27, 2017, 01:23:13 pm »

So that means if I believe ashersky and Awaclus, the team is in EFHW/TWM/mcmcsalot.  Right now I'm leaning EFHW/mcmcsalot, because I believe TWM's claim, and I said that EFHW and mcmcsalot were the scummy ones D1.
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Re: M91: trouble in the Scouncil (schadnd mafia) (N3)
« Reply #1909 on: January 27, 2017, 01:24:08 pm »

Also, I'd be surprised if scum didn't know I was the RB anyway, so I don't clear EFhW completely.

Yes, if they knew that Awaclus was telling the truth, they knew there was an RB, and I think the only people who hadn't explicitly claimed otherwise were you and mcmcsalot?  So if mcmcsalot is scum, then they would know you were the RB 100%
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Re: M91: trouble in the Scouncil (schadnd mafia) (N3)
« Reply #1910 on: January 27, 2017, 01:39:38 pm »

Also, I'd be surprised if scum didn't know I was the RB anyway, so I don't clear EFhW completely.

Yes, if they knew that Awaclus was telling the truth, they knew there was an RB, and I think the only people who hadn't explicitly claimed otherwise were you and mcmcsalot?  So if mcmcsalot is scum, then they would know you were the RB 100%

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Re: M91: trouble in the Scouncil (schadnd mafia) (N3)
« Reply #1911 on: January 27, 2017, 02:04:17 pm »

Fun facts...

My role is required for Awaclus's to exist, but doesn't guarantee he's telling the truth.
TWM's claim is fully unverifiable.
Gkrieg could just as easily be The Godfather as he is town. Or TWM's partner.

This setup...whoever designed it was amazing.
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Re: M91: trouble in the Scouncil (schadnd mafia) (N3)
« Reply #1912 on: January 27, 2017, 02:21:20 pm »

I did nothing last night, so we can't know if ash was blocked.

I feel very certain the two remaining scum are gkrieg and mcmc.
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Re: M91: trouble in the Scouncil (schadnd mafia) (N3)
« Reply #1913 on: January 27, 2017, 02:28:33 pm »

Sorry about all the fuss about RR. You guys were right. I do think a lot of helpful discussion took place as a result.
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Re: M91: trouble in the Scouncil (schadnd mafia) (N3)
« Reply #1914 on: January 27, 2017, 02:35:01 pm »

I did nothing last night, so we can't know if ash was blocked.

I feel very certain the two remaining scum are gkrieg and mcmc.

So you feel certain that I'm the Godfather then?
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Re: M91: trouble in the Scouncil (schadnd mafia) (N3)
« Reply #1915 on: January 27, 2017, 02:36:08 pm »

Also, definitely no lynch, right?  Force them to kill me or Awa, whichever they think is townier.
I want to lynch gkrieg or mcmc. I don't see a reason not to lynch scum if we can. If we can't agree on both, perhaps enough people agree about one.
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Re: M91: trouble in the Scouncil (schadnd mafia) (N3)
« Reply #1916 on: January 27, 2017, 02:37:05 pm »

I did nothing last night, so we can't know if ash was blocked.

I feel very certain the two remaining scum are gkrieg and mcmc.

So you feel certain that I'm the Godfather then?
I feel certain you are scum, so yes, because I also have a very strong scumread on mcmc and a strong townread on TWM.
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Re: M91: trouble in the Scouncil (schadnd mafia) (N3)
« Reply #1917 on: January 27, 2017, 02:38:43 pm »

I did nothing last night, so we can't know if ash was blocked.

I feel very certain the two remaining scum are gkrieg and mcmc.

So you feel certain that I'm the Godfather then?
I'm wondering why you would ask this question. Especially since I answered yesterday as well.
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Re: M91: trouble in the Scouncil (schadnd mafia) (N3)
« Reply #1918 on: January 27, 2017, 02:45:30 pm »

So that means if I believe ashersky and Awaclus, the team is in EFHW/TWM/mcmcsalot.  Right now I'm leaning EFHW/mcmcsalot, because I believe TWM's claim, and I said that EFHW and mcmcsalot were the scummy ones D1.
So we agree about mcmc.
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Re: M91: trouble in the Scouncil (schadnd mafia) (D3)
« Reply #1919 on: January 27, 2017, 02:55:09 pm »

I'll reread both him and TWM, though. The timing of the cop claim was a bit too convenient.
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Re: M91: trouble in the Scouncil (schadnd mafia) (D4)
« Reply #1920 on: January 27, 2017, 03:26:32 pm »

Okay so scum is EFHW/TWM/gkrieg

TWM/gkrieg - lied about cop claim and town result on partner
TWM/EFHW - lied about claim but gave true result on town!gkrieg
Gkrieg/EFHW - gkrieg is godfather

I think it's likelier TWM is lying than it is that gkrieg is The Godfather based on how/when TWM made the claim. Then I think why does scum!twm claim a result on town!gkrieg and then continue pushing his scum partner rr. I mean I guess it gives him town credit and makes gkrieg believe him but why not claim the town result on his partner EFHW. This brings me back to thinking TWM/gkrieg are on a team and they claim cop/town result and bus their 3rd partner bringing them into a mylo situation.

So I think the least likely option is town!gkrieg confirmed by scum!twm. Meaning gkrieg is the best lynch option.
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Re: M91: trouble in the Scouncil (schadnd mafia) (N3)
« Reply #1921 on: January 27, 2017, 03:40:23 pm »

Also, definitely no lynch, right?  Force them to kill me or Awa, whichever they think is townier.

I'm not sure that's a good idea. If you are scum, awaclus has to be scum, and we have to have quite a few unclaimed letters.

Actually I think now is time for a real massclaim to make sure this isn't the case. After that if there are no additional claims, you are an IC and technically awaclus could still be lying though he would have had to gamble about there being a roleblocker in the game on d1. I don't think it's a terrible gamble since it would take this long to figure out, but I also don't think it's likely he guessed correctly.

Basically we could be BCTTTT with scum awa/efhw or awa/gkrieg.
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Re: M91: trouble in the Scouncil (schadnd mafia) (N3)
« Reply #1922 on: January 27, 2017, 03:41:25 pm »

I blocked EFHW, so there's that.

Are your Night1 and Night2 actions worth sharing?
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Re: M91: trouble in the Scouncil (schadnd mafia) (D1)
« Reply #1923 on: January 27, 2017, 03:42:54 pm »

Here are EFHW/RR interactions, just from the EFHW side.  More to come, just didn't want to lose these.


It's RVs, and we're not doing anything else at the moment.

vote: Joseph saying things like this is what makes rvs last longer, in fact I think Faust was just getting us out of it and I think it's scummy to act like nothing being said is important.

TWM, who do you think is scum, besides me, at this point?  Still think Robz?

I still think there is a relatively high chance of Robz being mafia. RoadRunner is still on my radar, but everyone seems to just be giving him a pass for some reason.

Going back over the thread briefly to further answer your question I don't know what to make of either Jake or IDPTG. For some reason they keep combining in my head, but both have had moments that I was suspicious of. But I might be surprisingly a little suspicious of Calamatis. He hasn't really done much except put the brakes on wagons. I don't know if he has given one scum read this whole game. Even mcmcsalot has done more hunting than him.
I'm open to a Calamitas lynch, or mcmc. I think we generally want to let RR and Jake live to Day 2 because they always are getting mislynched Day 1. The pass is both for their sakes and because it has become considered scummy to vote for them Day 1.

vote: mcmc. He's lurking and the above post is kind of too pro-town, and also incorrect since Joseph started his thing before faust voted gkrieg.

btw, hi mcmc!

I don't want to lynch mcmc at this point.  The contributions he did make were towny, and I didn't get the feeling he had any particular agenda.

I'm thinking it's very odd that RR didn't vote.  The last time I remember him being scum, his votes mimicked his scum partner's.  Maybe he has trouble voting as scum.

While the Robz lynch was pretty awful, I think scum doesn't actually have a big incentive to lynch a claimed VT (they would be perfectly fine with no lynch), so I suspect that we have scum off wagon. Off wagon isn't a lot of people and this reinforces my scum read on mcmc.
I don't know if this argument holds for mcmc.  He wasn't just idly letting the lynch go by, he actively decided not to be on the wagon and yelled a bit about it, too, iirc.

I'm thinking it's very odd that RR didn't vote.  The last time I remember him being scum, his votes mimicked his scum partner's.  Maybe he has trouble voting as scum.
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You could have voted beforehand.  It's unusual to let the game go to deadline without getting a vote in, unless you've said you hate all the wagons or something like that.

I'm thinking it's very odd that RR didn't vote.  The last time I remember him being scum, his votes mimicked his scum partner's.  Maybe he has trouble voting as scum.
I was asleep my dude
You could have voted beforehand.  It's unusual to let the game go to deadline without getting a vote in, unless you've said you hate all the wagons or something like that.
Not only do I rarely notice when the deadlines are, I also don't like to do that because if I leave an absent minded vote on someone that makes them a much more likely candidate for a dumb scramble lynch.
Usually people like to have a vote down when they make their last post before a deadline. And it seems to me that you usually are voting for someone.

faust - Jake - RR scum team?!

I'd be open to an RR lynch. Planning to flesh out my thoughts on gkrieg tomorrow.

I like a Vote: RR. People were liking voting RR, why did that cease to be a thing?
I'm with you.  Just want to sort out gkrieg first, see if that wagon will fly/roll.

I still think lynching one of RR or jake is the way to go. The cases that are being presented on other: gkrieg, EFHW, awaclus just aren't doing it for me.
Cases on those two are always going to seem stronger than cases on the rest of us. I guess I'm up for either of them, though.  Which would be more informative?  I'm thinking Jake would be since he has actually said stuff.

I don't want to lynch RR.  His lack of meaningful contributions means we will learn very little from his flip, and no one has made any kind of case against him, so he'll probably flip town.

My preferences: gkrieg > Jake > faust > RR, ashersky, mcmc > Joseph, Awaclus, TWM

Classifying RR as "lurker lynch" is extremely misleading.
I'll take a look at him. The rationale I'm hearing right now is we should lynch him because he is not contributing.  Isn't that a lurker lynch?  No other points are being made.

But Jake is more damaging to town than RR because he posts reads and votes with very little behind them, and unless you are scrupulous about noticing his posts, it's possible to be influenced by those posts inadvertently.

I don't want to lynch RR.  His lack of meaningful contributions means we will learn very little from his flip, and no one has made any kind of case against him, so he'll probably flip town.

My preferences: gkrieg > Jake > faust > RR, ashersky, mcmc > Joseph, Awaclus, TWM

So you still want to lynch Jake because he might be my partner?  You are that convinced that I'm scum?
You are my strongest scum read. Given the apparent lack of interest, my second choice is Jake.  He is acting differently and you have been interacting with him more than usual.  People have defended him and tried to lynch him so his flip will be informative.
I'm confused. Is your argument that scum!gkrieg would openly coach his partner in the game thread?
Yes, especially Jake. Why is that confusing? None of the posts were obvious coaching - people give him advice all the time and the other posts were reasonable admonishments.

My theory about gkrieg could be wrong, but it is based on actual posts by him and is coherent. People are free to agree or disagree. This movement to lynch RR has no apparent basis other than disappointment that he hasn't contributed.
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Re: M91: trouble in the Scouncil (schadnd mafia) (N3)
« Reply #1924 on: January 27, 2017, 03:43:51 pm »

So that means if I believe ashersky and Awaclus, the team is in EFHW/TWM/mcmcsalot.  Right now I'm leaning EFHW/mcmcsalot, because I believe TWM's claim, and I said that EFHW and mcmcsalot were the scummy ones D1.

Yep. EFHW/mcmcsalot is where I am looking. If one of them is the godfather, it would help if we could hit that one first somehow to make my result on gkrieg confirmed.
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