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[schadd]

   ah, day two. my personal favorite day. hi. it's me. greaseth wobbles-wednesday. today has been a turbulent day. uh, wait, excuse me, i was staring at this picture of a plant. no, actually, today has been a bit of a bland day, i would s- oh, hey, they're killing someone.
    oh. oh my. well, well, would you look at- yes, goratio, please go to the live feed right now!

    "sir. friend. 'tis simply too true to be untrue. you are the baddies."
    "oh? really? i don't see any cases!" [he exaggerates looking around, pulling up the corners of rugs and looking under tables] "is there a case there? here?" [he exaggerates not finding any cases] "i don't see any cases here, you guys"
    [several people stare at him, sigh, and then speak in unison] "ur bad"

    yeah, i figured that guy was the baddies. in fact, i knew it from the beginning... there was something in the way that he talked, the way that he emoted, the way that he interacted with people... this guy is such a sneddite that i think that he has probably been a sneddite his whole life.

    JaketheBaseballGod22 has been lynched! He was the head of the department of literary analysis, a Vanilla Townie!
   
    Night 2 starts now and ends January 18th at 12 pm, forum time. thread l-l-l-locked

[schadd]

d3 will start at 1pm forum time today, an hour after scheduled

[schadd]

   oh, gosh, that's a cute iguana. hey lil guy. what's that? you're gonna sheep silverspawn? sorry bub, he's not in this game. oh? you're gonna sheep faust? well, kid, i got bad news for you... see that gravestone over there? yeah, that one, that says "TOLD YOU SO"...


faust has been killed in the night! He was the head of the department of spambots, a Vanilla Townie!


day 3 begins!


Vote Count 3.


Not voting (eight): The_Wine_Merchant, ashersky, Awaclus, EFHW, Joseph2302, mcmcsalot, Roadrunner7671, gkrieg13


With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 starts now and ends January 25th at 1:00 pm forum time.

thread u-u-u-unlocked

[Joseph2302]

Least surprising kill ever.

[Joseph2302]

Although why didn't they go for him N1?

[mcmcsalot]

Although why didn't they go for him N1?

I came in at the end of day one with a big case on Faust, I'm guessing they left him alive to see if my case given more time would lead to a mislynch, also making me look bad. I think once my case failed to get him lynched yesterday they decided he wouldn't be lynched today, and he was by far the most active player.

[ashersky]

Big apologies for missing a lot of the end of yesterday -- was unexpected not on the forums for multiple days.

[ashersky]

vote: TWM based on the way the day ended.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

vote: TWM based on the way the day ended.

How is that my responsibility or indicative of my alignment?

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Although I should take some responsibility that Jake was lynched. I am frustrated that my RR-Jake team theory didn't pan out. It felt really good to me.

I should do a reread of the whole of Day2 I suppose. That probably isn't going to happen until after the weekend as I have a friend coming into town on Friday and a busy work day tomorrow.

[gkrieg13]

Also sorry for missing day end.  I thought I would be awake by then and wasn't.

So, I think we should probably massclaim at this point.  Then I'll go back and reread.  I was kind of hoping that I would be dead...

[The_Wine_Merchant]

I was kind of hoping that I would be dead...

How morbid.

[EFHW]

I hope we hear a lot more from ash and RR today. And lots from everyone else too, but they have been particularly inactive.

[EFHW]

Thinking about the massclaim idea. On the one hand, we risk exposing town PRs, but on the other hand, we've only lost VTs so far, so fakeclaiming will be hard.

[Awaclus]

I'm also in favor of massclaim.

[EFHW]

If we get a consensus, Joseph should make the order.

[ashersky]

Note sure massclaim is the right call here, and it seems scummy to raise it, no?

We've got VT flips and one claim.  We know it has to be BBXXXX if Awaclus is telling the truth.  We know there's a full Roleblocker if Awaclus is telling the truth.

Massclaim then serves what purpose?  We can out an RB and confirm Awaclus.  Depending on order, scum could fake that if Awaclus is also scum.  There's no difference between 3 and 4 Ts, so unless we get multiple other PRs claimed, we don't get new information.  And scum knows how many Ts there are (probably, within two for sure) and have wiggle room to make stuff up.

Like, if we have 5 or 6 Ts, Awaclus can safely fakeclaim 1-Shot RB specifically and we'd out him when no one claims RB in a mass claim.  That's a good thing, but seems like the only benefit right now.  Except a scum partner just claims RB and they confirm each other.

If that was the plan (the 5/6 T plan), they've have killed Joseph by now, as the UB not inheriting a power would be risky.

Eh, can someone lay out some more benefits to a mass claim?

[EFHW]

Maybe just the roleblocker should claim.

[EFHW]

I get the problems you presented about that, but I also think we could get some useful information from the process.

[mcmcsalot]

I get the problems you presented about that, but I also think we could get some useful information from the process.

I also think massclaim might not be a good idea. We are 5town/3scum with 8 people. I believe that is mylo so I can see any information we can get is good but we have 2 more nights no matter what(pending 2nk). What happens if we block a nk, we go to 4town/3scum, or 5town/2scum. In the 4/3 scenarios we gain an extra day and limit the lynch pool, in 5/2 scenario we actually get an additional mislynch.

I keep saying awaclus claim is a pretty safe one for scum to make because of this reason. It really seems like we want to claim or at least claim roleblockers as Faust said. But the possibility of a single B roll means a roleblocker claim doesn't confirm awaclus as town, only a full claim does. Even a claim of a roleblocker and additional oneshot roleblocker doesn't disprove awaclus claim because of the potential of BBB.

I think we should probably do no claiming unless someone has a result of some kind to share which would be valuable as we are in mylo.

[Roadrunner7671]

I think I'd rather not mass claim. But my opinion could be stronger.

[EFHW]

I realized that I misinterpreted the set up and scum could actually safely claim VT.  So there goes that.

[ashersky]

No lynch could help here.

[mcmcsalot]

Yea I have always felt the claim pushing is scummy. I need to reread basically the whole game with town!faust in mind before I jump to conclusions but gkriegs first post of the day reads pretty scummy to me. Specifically when comparing ash and gkrieg who both missed deadline, ash is how I expect town to return, quick apology and right down to business, not more disinterest and a lazy push for anti-town behavior.

[gkrieg13]

Yea I have always felt the claim pushing is scummy. I need to reread basically the whole game with town!faust in mind before I jump to conclusions but gkriegs first post of the day reads pretty scummy to me. Specifically when comparing ash and gkrieg who both missed deadline, ash is how I expect town to return, quick apology and right down to business, not more disinterest and a lazy push for anti-town behavior.

I don't think that's how my post reads at all.  I said I would reread, and I thought we at least needed to discuss a massclaim.  The points that people have put out have been good ones against it.

I also agree that we should 100% go for a no lynch today.  I understand now that with so much unknown, and the fact that we probably don't have too many letters, a mass claim is not good for today.

It wasn't more disinterest, it was stating that I hoped I would be dead.  Those are two very different things.  I don't think I've been playing super well, and I was hoping that scum would've killed me last night.  I still need to reread how the EoD went yesterday.