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Subscription pricing & structure
« on: December 15, 2016, 07:54:54 am »
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We are selling two subscriptions, Silver and Gold.
When you buy Silver, you subscribe to Intrigue, Seaside, Prosperity, Cornucopia, Hinterlands, Guilds.
Gold is Silver plus Alchemy, Dark Ages, Adventures, Empires.
You can play with the Base Set for free (2nd Edition).
If you have a subscription, you will be able to invite others to play with those cards; also when they don't have a subscription.

For every transaction you will have to pay a transaction fee of 0.35.
If you're buying from the EU, you will also have to pay VAT.
The percentage depends on the country you're buying from.

Subscriptions always start immediately, and you subscribe for at least one month.
On Jan 1st the Gold variant costs 0.10 per day, and Silver costs 0.07 per day.

We are not selling promo cards. On some future day we will use them for some promotional purpose, but we haven't found the time yet to define or program that purpose. Until that day, everyone buying any subscription can just play with them all.

If you "owned" any expansions on Making Fun, you will get a subscription to those expansions for free in 2017.

Upgrading
While the price for buying is very straightforward, the price for upgrading is a little more complicated.
The client will just show you the price when you're about to buy, but for the curious here is how it works under the hood:

We assigned a weight to all the expansions. We will subtract what you already had from the price.
Alchemy, Cornucopia and Guilds have a weight of 1.
Intrigue, Seaside, Prosperity and Hinterlands have a weight of 2.
Dark Ages, Adventures and Empires have a weight of 3.
You are paying 0.005 per weight per day when buying Gold, 0.007 per weight per day when buying Silver.

Example
Suppose you had all sets on Making Fun, which was everything except for Empires. But you'd also want to play with Empires in 2017.
You purchase the Gold subscription and are only paying for the difference, which is 3 * 0.005 * 365 = 5.47.
Add the transaction fee of 0.35 and possibly VAT.

Example 2
Suppose you only bought Intrigue and Dark Ages on Making Fun, but want to have some more expansions and buy Silver for 2017.
Intrigue is subtracted from the weight, so you are paying for 8 out of 10. It will cost 8 * 0.007 * 365 = 20.44.
Add the transaction fee of 0.35 and possibly VAT.
The fact that you already were subscribed to Dark Ages has no influence on this price, because it's not part of what you're buying.
In 2017, you can play with all expansions from Silver plus Dark Ages.

Example 3
You have nothing from Making fun, but buy a Silver subscription for 50 days. However, after 10 days you realize you'd much rather play with all the expansions and you decide to buy Gold subscription for 50 days.
Under the hood you are buying 50 * 20 = 1000 weight-days, but you already owned 40 * 10 = 400 of those. You are paying for the remaining 600, which will cost you 600 * 0.005 = 3.00
Add the transaction fee of 0.35 and possibly VAT.
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Re: Subscription pricing & structure
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2016, 07:57:49 am »
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Like I've been saying all these years, Silver and Gold are excellent purchases!
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Re: Subscription pricing & structure
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2016, 08:01:38 am »
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For those who don't speak Euro, that's $3.15 a month for Gold plus the transaction fee of 36 cents each time you pay.

All of this is extremely reasonable and fair; I'm particularly happy that free play still exists and that you can play with friends. Thanks!
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Re: Subscription pricing & structure
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2016, 08:06:10 am »
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For those who don't speak Euro, that's $3.15 a month for Gold plus the transaction fee of 36 cents each time you play.
I read it as this and nearly got a heart attack.
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Re: Subscription pricing & structure
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2016, 08:13:26 am »
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Which payment options will be supported? :D
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Re: Subscription pricing & structure
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2016, 08:18:58 am »
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Great news!

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Re: Subscription pricing & structure
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2016, 08:19:15 am »
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"If you have a subscription, you will be able to invite others to play with those cards; also when they don't have a subscription. "

I think this is great news, thanks.
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Re: Subscription pricing & structure
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2016, 09:46:45 am »
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If a new expansion comes out, do we have to make a new subscription to get that or is it included in "Gold"?
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Re: Subscription pricing & structure
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2016, 09:50:19 am »
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When a new expansion comes out, do we have to make a new subscription to get that or is it included in "Gold"?
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Re: Subscription pricing & structure
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2016, 10:02:08 am »
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If a new expansion comes out, do we have to make a new subscription to get that or is it included in "Gold"?

This example describes how to get the latest set if you have a subscription to everything but the latest set:

Example
Suppose you had all sets on Making Fun, which was everything except for Empires. But you'd also want to play with Empires in 2017.
You purchase the Gold subscription and are only paying for the difference, which is 3 * 0.005 * 365 = 5.47.
Add the transaction fee of 0.35 and possibly VAT.

(You get a subscription to the sets, not to the concept Gold)
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Re: Subscription pricing & structure
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2016, 10:03:55 am »
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Will you be able to pay in currencies other than euros (e.g. pounds or dollars)?
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Re: Subscription pricing & structure
« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2016, 10:25:48 am »
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Will you be able to pay in currencies other than euros (e.g. pounds or dollars)?

How do these prices convert to Galleons, Sickles and Knuts?
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Re: Subscription pricing & structure
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2016, 10:33:30 am »
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Will you be able to pay in currencies other than euros (e.g. pounds or dollars)?

How do these prices convert to Galleons, Sickles and Knuts?
Mine was a serious question. At the checkout, will it tell you the cost is 10 euros, or will you get the choice of e.g. 10 euros, $10, or 9.50. Because credit card fee is like another 2% for me
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Re: Subscription pricing & structure
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2016, 10:41:32 am »
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For every transaction you will have to pay a transaction fee of 0.35.

Subscriptions always start immediately, and you subscribe for at least one month.
On Jan 1st the Gold variant costs 0.10 per day, and Silver costs 0.07 per day.

Will we be able to subscribe for, say, a year at a time to minimize transaction fees?
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Re: Subscription pricing & structure
« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2016, 11:03:13 am »
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For every transaction you will have to pay a transaction fee of 0.35.

Subscriptions always start immediately, and you subscribe for at least one month.
On Jan 1st the Gold variant costs 0.10 per day, and Silver costs 0.07 per day.

Will we be able to subscribe for, say, a year at a time to minimize transaction fees?

That seems very heavily implied by the OP, yes.
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« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2016, 11:08:08 am »
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« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2016, 11:14:40 am »
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For every transaction you will have to pay a transaction fee of 0.35.

Subscriptions always start immediately, and you subscribe for at least one month.
On Jan 1st the Gold variant costs 0.10 per day, and Silver costs 0.07 per day.

Will we be able to subscribe for, say, a year at a time to minimize transaction fees?

That seems very heavily implied by the OP, yes.
Seems to say yes you can pick as many days as you want. And the transaction fee encourages people to sign up for a year rather than a month, as you save 3.85/yr by doing 1 transaction instead of 12.
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Re: Subscription pricing & structure
« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2016, 11:27:47 am »
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Can we get prices in USD? Where are you guys based?
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Re: Subscription pricing & structure
« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2016, 11:41:57 am »
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Can we get prices in USD? Where are you guys based?

1 Euro is, as of today, 1.045 USD. So basically pretend all the prices are USD and add 5%.
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Re: Subscription pricing & structure
« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2016, 11:54:55 am »
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When a new expansion is added, would it be possible reduce the remaining days of the gold subscription instead of paying the additional cost?
That way transaction costs for "micropayments" could be avoided.

Otherwise, it doesn't make much sense to pay for say 2018 already, if one always wants to have all cards - and is optimistic about future expansions.  ;)
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Re: Subscription pricing & structure
« Reply #20 on: December 15, 2016, 11:59:28 am »
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Put this in the "would be cool but I don't mind if it isn't possible" column: Your account has a balance of euros in it. You pay for whatever subscription you signed up for each day as long as your account has money in it.. If a new expansion comes out, you can add it to your subscription, and it will just drain your balance faster.

The main problem I see with this, is that you could have people insist on being able to cancel their subscription every day they don't use it, hence the money being spent automatically if it's available thing.
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Re: Subscription pricing & structure
« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2016, 12:16:49 pm »
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Sorry if this has been covered elsewhere.

Originally you announced there would be two models: Subscription to play online against other players, and 1-off payments to "buy" the sets for offline play against AIs. Goko spend could be allocated to either buying the off-line product, or giving you free subscriptions for a period of time.

Has that plan changed? Is everything just a subscription now? Does the subscription get you the offline play with the AI?

Completely separate question:
Will I be able to play this on my iPhone in any way? (online or off? App or web? Magic?) (I still have an old app on my phone that lets me play AI only for the base set. Not available in the app store anymore, but sitting on my phone. I've gotten really really good at beating dumb AIs at the "First Game"...)

Thanks,

(And sorry if this has been explained somewhere else in the intervening time)
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Re: Subscription pricing & structure
« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2016, 12:20:02 pm »
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Has that plan changed? Is everything just a subscription now? Does the subscription get you the offline play with the AI?

There haven't been any changes announced. Stef has said elsewhere that offline won't be available until later in 2017, so that pricing presumably won't be revealed until it is nearly available.

On January 1st 2017 we'll go live with our web version of Dominion Online. Our first priority now is to get that up & running smoothly. Once we have that in place we'll continue working on dedicated clients and Dominion Offline, but that certainly won't be released early in 2017.
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Re: Subscription pricing & structure
« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2016, 01:36:11 pm »
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The main problem I see with this, is that you could have people insist on being able to cancel their subscription every day they don't use it, hence the money being spent automatically if it's available thing.
I think you could have a 30 days notice and it becomes clear that you can't just subscribe on a day to day basis.
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Re: Subscription pricing & structure
« Reply #24 on: December 15, 2016, 01:51:51 pm »
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You really need USD prices, and not just here but on the client itself. Americans will take one look at those Euros and either think they can't subscribe since it's in Euros or will be confused since most Americans only think in terms of American currency. I hate to say this, but to some people displaying only Euros will be a turnoff.
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