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The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition: $0-$2 Cards
« on: December 04, 2016, 12:29:13 pm »
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50+ votes for Empires cards, 65 votes for the rest.



The Best - Cards (Part 1/4)

#39 =0 Duchess (Hinterlands) Weighted Average: 4.9% ▼4.5pp / Unweighted Average: 6.1% / Median: 2.6% ▼3.7pp / Standard Deviation: 11.2%

Duchess is last just like last year and the first voting. It lost a lot of points and was voted last 22 times. It has the second lowest deviation in this list.
#38 =0 Secret Chamber (Intrigue) Weighted Average: 6.3% ▼3.7pp / Unweighted Average: 8.5% / Median: 2.6% ▼2.2pp / Standard Deviation: 14.3%

Secret Chamber also stays on the same rank and is only slightly voted better than Duchess. It has also the same amount of last ranks, 22.
#37 ▼1 Pearl Diver (Seaside) Weighted Average: 13.1% ▼4.2pp / Unweighted Average: 13.3% / Median: 9.4% ▼6.2pp  / Standard Deviation: 11.6%

Pearl Diver lost one rank and is like every time (with the exception of last year) third to last. It has already quite a solid lead over the bottom 2. It was voted last 3 times and has the third lowest deviation in this list.
#36 ▲1 Herbalist (Alchemy) Weighted Average: 16.3% ▲0.8pp / Unweighted Average: 17.9% / Median: 15.8% ▲3.3pp / Standard Deviation: 13.6%

Herbalist is one rank higher and the first card with a better average than last year and is with the exception of last year fourth last again. It was voted last twice.
#35 =0 Beggar (Dark Ages) Weighted Average: 18.5% ▼2.9pp / Unweighted Average: 21.2% / Median: 13.2% ▼5.6pp / Standard Deviation: 19.0%

Beggar stays where it was. Its median is even worse than Herbalist's. It has one vote on last.
#34 =0 Embargo (Seaside) Weighted Average: 19.2% ▼7.7pp / Unweighted Average: 21.5% / Median: 15.8% ▼12.3pp / Standard Deviation: 15.9%

Embargo stays also where it was, but has lost quite a lot, nearly 8pp and its median even more. It is the first card with no vote on the last rank.
#33 =0 Quest (Adventures) Weighted Average: 25.4% ▼4.0pp / Unweighted Average: 29.1% / Median: 23.7% ▼1.3pp / Standard Deviation: 18.3%

This is the first event after the second bigger gap in this list, this time over 6pp. Quest stays also where it was and lost also a bit.
#32 Tax (Empires) Weighted Average: 25.6% / Unweighted Average: 27.0% / Median: 18.4% / Standard Deviation: 24.3%

Here is the first new Empires card and the second event. It has only a small lead over Quest. Its rank is quite convoluted given it has the second highest deviation in this list - it was also voted last 4 times. It has also quite a notable low median in comparism to its average.
#31 ▼2 Moat (Base) Weighted Average: 26.9% ▼8.4pp / Unweighted Average: 29.6% / Median: 26.3% ▼2.9pp / Standard Deviation: 17.3%

Moat lost two ranks, but a lot of points, over 8pp. It was voted last once.

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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition: $0-$2 Cards
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2016, 12:29:30 pm »
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The Best - Cards (Part 2/4)



#30 ▼2 Vagrant (Dark Ages) Weighted Average: 31.2% ▼5.4pp / Unweighted Average: 31.0% / Median: 28.1% ▼6.3pp / Standard Deviation: 16.2%

Vagrant has a solid lead of over 4pp over Moat. After rising the last 2 years, it lost just like Moat 2 ranks and a significant amount of points.
#29 ▲1 Poor House (Dark Ages) Weighted Average: 32.2% ▲0.5pp / Unweighted Average: 31.6% / Median: 26.3% ▼1.7pp / Standard Deviation: 20.5%

After losing ranks the last 2 years, Poor House won one rank, but stayed nearly the same average wise. It has still a decent amount of disagreement.
#28 ▼1 Haven (Seaside) Weighted Average: 36.9% ▼4.7pp / Unweighted Average: 37.8% / Median: 36.8% ▼6.1pp / Standard Deviation: 20.4%

Haven continues to slowly lose ranks year after year. Again it lost one rank and nearly 5pp. Just like Poor House, it has a lot of divergent views. It has also a decent lead over Poor House of nearly 5pp.
#27 ▼2 Cellar (Base) Weighted Average: 37.4% ▼5.5pp / Unweighted Average: 39.8% / Median: 34.2% ▼7.0pp / Standard Deviation: 19.2%

After gaining 2 ranks the last 2 years, it lost 2 again. It also lost over 5pp. It is still one rank higher in the unweighted ranking.
#26 Patrician (Empires) Weighted Average: 39.9% / Unweighted Average: 40.6% / Median: 39.5% / Standard Deviation: 18.6%

Here's the second new Empires card. It is 2 ranks higher in the unweighted ranking.
#25 ▲5 Scouting Party (Adventures) Weighted Average: 40.0% ▲8.4pp / Unweighted Average: 39.3% / Median: 39.5% ▲11.4pp / Standard Deviation: 21.7%

Scouting Party is one of the winners in this year's list. It is 5 ranks and over 8pp better than last year, but only 0.04pp better than Patrician. In the unweighted ranking it is still 2 ranks lower. It also has quite a high deviation.
#24 Settlers (Empires) Weighted Average: 40.0% / Unweighted Average: 40.3% / Median: 36.8% / Standard Deviation: 20.5%

And here's even the next Empires card. Like the card before it has only a lead of 0.04pp. It is one rank lower in the unweighted ranking.
#23 ▲1 Pawn (Intrigue) Weighted Average: 43.8% ▲1.5pp / Unweighted Average: 46.2% / Median: 44.7% ▲1.8pp / Standard Deviation: 17.6%

Pawn continues to stay in the midfield, this time it's one rank higher than last year.
#22 ▼2 Native Village (Seaside) Weighted Average: 45.7% ▼6.0pp / Unweighted Average: 50.2% / Median: 50.0% ▼3.9pp / Standard Deviation: 19.9%

Native Village is this time slightly below average, lost quite a bit: 2 ranks and 6pp.
#21 ▲1 Travelling Fair (Adventures) Weighted Average: 49.8% ▲2.0pp / Unweighted Average: 50.0% / Median: 50.0% ▲3.1pp / Standard Deviation: 22.2%

Travelling Fair is this time the card closest to average. It is one rank better, but has still a lot of disagreement.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition: $0-$2 Cards
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2016, 12:29:59 pm »
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#20 Delve (Empires) Weighted Average: 55.1% / Unweighted Average: 53.1% / Median: 52.6% / Standard Deviation: 25.3%

We're starting part 3 with another new card. Delve has a lead over #21 of over 5pp. It's the card with the highest deviation in this list.
#19 ▼5 Crossroads (Hinterlands) Weighted Average: 56.1% ▼2.5pp / Unweighted Average: 58.3% / Median: 59.4% =0pp / Standard Deviation: 16.1%

Crossroads is a big loser this year after being quite stable the last years: It lost 5 ranks. But the deviation is quite low for a mid ranked card. It is still 2 ranks higher in the unweighted ranking.
#18 Advance (Empires) Weighted Average: 56.8% / Unweighted Average: 57.0% / Median: 52.6% / Standard Deviation: 18.0%

Advance is the next new card, the second best Empires card.
#17 ▼5 Candlestick Maker (Guilds) Weighted Average: 58.6% ▼3.1pp / Unweighted Average: 60.0% / Median: 63.2% ▲0.7pp / Standard Deviation: 19.4%

And after Crossroads, Candlestick Maker is the next big loser. It also lost 5 ranks while having an even better median, interesting. It is one rank better in the unweighted ranking.
#16 ▲1 Borrow (Adventures) Weighted Average: 59.8% ▲7.1p / Unweighted Average: 54.1% / Median: 52.6% ▼0.5pp / Standard Deviation: 23.3%

Borrow is only one rank, but over 7pp better. It has a pretty high deviation and is 3 ranks lower in the unweighted ranking, so it seems underappreciated by newer players.
#15 ▼5 Squire (Dark Ages) Weighted Average: 61.6% ▼8.0pp / Unweighted Average: 64.3% / Median: 65.8% ▼5.6pp / Standard Deviation: 19.9%

And this is the third loser which lost 5 ranks. It even lost 8pp too. It is still 4 ranks higher in the unweighted list, so this one gets overvalued by newer players.
#14 ▼5 Lighthouse (Seaside) Weighted Average: 63.2% ▼9.1pp / Unweighted Average: 62.4% / Median: 63.2% ▼11.8pp / Standard Deviation: 19.8%

And ... you guessed it, the fourth card which lost 5 ranks, this time even 9pp. It continues to lose ranks slightly year after year.
#13 ▼2 Ratcatcher (Adventures) Weighted Average: 63.7% ▼1.7pp / Unweighted Average: 63.8% / Median: 65.8% ▲0.2pp / Standard Deviation: 19.1%

Ratcatcher lost 2 ranks and is one rank higher in the unweighted ranking.
#12 Encampment (Empires) Weighted Average: 66.3% / Unweighted Average: 62.0% / Median: 63.2% / Standard Deviation: 21.6%

Encampment is clearly the best new Empires card, but is 3 ranks lower in the unweighted ranking, so weaker players don't appreciate it that much.
#11 ▲3 Alms (Adventures) Weighted Average: 66.7% ▲9.9p / Unweighted Average: 62.9% / Median: 65.6% ▲2.8p / Standard Deviation: 23.3%

Alms won 3 ranks, but nearly 10pp, that's quite a lot. It has still a pretty high deviation. It is 2 ranks lower in the unweighted list.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition: $0-$2 Cards
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2016, 12:30:07 pm »
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The Best - Cards (Part 4/4)



#10 ▲8 Save (Adventures) Weighted Average: 69.2% ▲18.4pp / Unweighted Average: 65.3% / Median: 73.7% ▲29.9pp / Standard Deviation: 23.7%

We're starting the last part with a big jump. Save won 8 ranks and nearly 20pp, its median is even 30pp higher. That's a significant change. It has the third highest deviation though.
#9 ▼3 Fool's Gold (Hinterlands) Weighted Average: 69.5% ▼7.0pp / Unweighted Average: 71.8% / Median: 78.2% ▼6.2pp / Standard Deviation: 19.6%

Fool's Gold was #2 once, but it lost 2 ranks last year, this year even 3 ranks. It's still 2 ranks higher in the unweighted ranking.
#8 ▼3 Courtyard (Intrigue) Weighted Average: 69.9% ▼6.8pp / Unweighted Average: 69.5% / Median: 73.7% ▼6.4pp / Standard Deviation: 21.4%

Courtyard stayed at the same relative rank since the beginning, but now lost 3 ranks. It was voted first once.
#7 ▲8 Raze (Adventures) Weighted Average: 71.4% ▲17.2pp / Unweighted Average: 67.7% / Median: 76.3% ▲22.7pp / Standard Deviation: 23.2%

Just like the other Adventures card, Save, Raze won 8 ranks and a lot of points. It is in the unweighted ranking 2 ranks lower. It has a pretty high deviation as well.
#6 ▲7 Coin of the Realm (Adventures) Weighted Average: 72.8% ▲14.7pp / Unweighted Average: 73.6% / Median: 73.7% ▲14.3pp / Standard Deviation: 15.4%

This is the third Adventures card close together which was heavily undervalued last year. This card rises 7 ranks. It was voted first twice.
#5 ▲2 Hamlet (Cornucopia) Weighted Average: 74.0% ▼2.4pp / Unweighted Average: 74.5% / Median: 76.3% ▼4.7pp / Standard Deviation: 15.2%

Hamlet lost the last 2 years a few ranks, but now went back up 2 ranks even though its average is worse.
#4 =0 Stonemason (Guilds) Weighted Average: 79.6% ▼0.1pp / Unweighted Average: 76.0% / Median: 84.2% ▲2.9pp / Standard Deviation: 21.9%

After climbing a lot of ranks last year, it stays the same rank-wise and average-wise. It was voted first twice.
#3 =0 Peasant (Adventures) Weighted Average: 91.2% ▲9.0pp / Unweighted Average: 87.8% / Median: 94.7% ▲7.2pp / Standard Deviation: 17.2%

Peasant has a lead over Stonemason of over 11pp, so the top 3 are clearly better than the rest. Peasant stays the same but still won 9pp. It was voted first 8 times.
#2 =0 Page (Adventures) Weighted Average: 92.2% ▲4.6pp / Unweighted Average: 89.9% / Median: 94.7% ▲4.1pp / Standard Deviation: 12.0%

Page stays on #2 as well, but only has a 1pp lead over Peasant, so those two Travellers are really close. It has a really low deviation. It has less first ranks than Peasant, only 6 of them.
#1 =0 Chapel (Base) Weighted Average: 97.7% ▲0.1pp / Unweighted Average: 98.0% / Median: 100% =0pp / Standard Deviation: 4.1%

Chapel is still clearly #1, its average also stayed the same and its deviation is by far the lowest in this list, so it's really uncontested. It has 44 votes on the first rank.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition: $0-$2 Cards
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2016, 12:36:54 pm »
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Man, the new Moat looks so good. Other than that, this list isn't very surprising.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition: $0-$2 Cards
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2016, 12:57:35 pm »
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Herbalist is quite nice with Capital.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition: $0-$2 Cards
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2016, 01:03:28 pm »
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Herbalist / Encampment is a legitimate combo. It's got a bunch more reasons to use it now. It's worth thinking about.

Quest isn't THAT bad, but I guess there's not a lot worse than it on this list.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition: $0-$2 Cards
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2016, 01:50:46 pm »
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tax is underrated
herbalist is uh underrated
everything else is whatever
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition: $0-$2 Cards
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2016, 02:06:26 pm »
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I'm disappointed to see that Quest didn't go up after last year.  It's primary use, IMO is that you can overbuy terminal attacks.  I initially thought the option to discard 6 cards was also good, but games have led me to conclude that it is not.

At the very least, I think Quest should be above Tax.  So far, I have only bought Tax when there was nothing else decent, and have found it to be even more marginal than Pearl Diver.  Granted, I can imagine some scenarios where Tax might be important, whereas it is difficult to think of such situations with Pearl Diver (Mystic?).

I see that Scouting Party and Poor House have gone up, based on their absence in ranks #39-31.  That seems warranted.  Look forward to seeing how much/little they changed.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition: $0-$2 Cards
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2016, 02:13:16 pm »
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I also think Tax is underrated, but oh well.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition: $0-$2 Cards
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2016, 07:42:44 pm »
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It's interesting that the overall opinion of these cards is so stable. I wonder how many new people submitted rankings this year. I know I was one of them (well I hope so).

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« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2016, 08:35:11 pm »
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Tax is reasonable. It's actually a pretty annoying event and changes the way you approach the game, much like the Landmarks do. For that reason, it's hard to rank. I also like Moat. But, I have no idea where I ranked it.
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« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2016, 08:50:10 pm »
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I don't even know if my ranks counted.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition: $0-$2 Cards
« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2016, 09:04:44 pm »
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I don't even know if my ranks counted.

We'll know when we get to Scout.

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« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2016, 11:45:13 pm »
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If the game goes long enough begger - tower is really good. I would also say that the effect is not only useful with diverging strategies like embargo. Embargo tokens stay relevant till the curses are gone. Tax stays relevant until the card is bought. Tax is more useful in that for an extra two you can give two debts to your opponent. This is only true when your opponent really needs to buy a card. If they do not buy that card then you hurt yourself. It's pretty funny when all the cheap cards have debts on them and you can't break out of the stalemate unscathed. Hopefully shuffle it will have some sort of draw/ make game not count as anything to solve this problem.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition: $0-$2 Cards
« Reply #15 on: December 05, 2016, 03:46:54 am »
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I don't know where exactly Scouting Party is going to end up, but it's definitely too high already.

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« Reply #16 on: December 05, 2016, 05:10:33 am »
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I don't know where exactly Scouting Party is going to end up, but it's definitely too high already.

Not really. So far we've seen a bunch of cards that you don't really even want for free a lot of the time and a couple of cards that you can buy if you can't do anything, for a marginal benefit.  You do want to buy Scouting Party pretty much every time, it doesn't cost you the buy so the opportunity cost is even lower than that of, say, Pearl Diver, and the benefit is not amazing but it's significant. If we see it in the next post, it's exactly where it should be in my opinion.
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« Reply #17 on: December 05, 2016, 07:38:31 am »
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Prediction: Alms, Coin of the Realm, Raze, and Save, and Scouting Party will all be rated significantly higher than last year - and deservedly so.  I expect Alms to be the biggest winner, but I'm prepared to be disappointed.

That said, I do expect to see Scouting Party in the next batch of cards.  On some boards (those without strong trashing, or those where fast cycling is especially important, or those without extra gaining), Scouting Party is very valuable.  But on others, it's pretty weak.
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« Reply #18 on: December 05, 2016, 08:11:47 am »
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That said, I do expect to see Scouting Party in the next batch of cards.  On some boards (those without strong trashing, or those where fast cycling is especially important, or those without extra gaining), Scouting Party is very valuable.  But on others, it's pretty weak.

A lot of cards or card-shaped things that force you to do things you don't really want to do suffer on these ratings. When they're good, they're fine, but when they're bad they leave a poor taste in your mouth. I had a game a while ago where I bought Scouting Party a few times hoping to clear out some upcoming junk but was forced to discard a number of engine pieces (turns out the junk was in the *next* five cards). Lookout obviously suffers from this problem, so does Loan.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition: $0-$2 Cards
« Reply #19 on: December 05, 2016, 08:23:58 am »
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I don't know where exactly Scouting Party is going to end up, but it's definitely too high already.

Nah this is super wrong. Scouting Party is very good on enough boards to justify being in the middle of the pack. Name a card you'be already seen that's clearly better than it?
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition: $0-$2 Cards
« Reply #20 on: December 05, 2016, 10:22:16 am »
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I know I was one of them (well I hope so).

I don't even know if my ranks counted.

Well, if you clicked on save, your votes for sure count. (too lazy to actually look :P)

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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition: $0-$2 Cards
« Reply #21 on: December 05, 2016, 01:16:01 pm »
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition: $0-$2 Cards
« Reply #22 on: December 05, 2016, 01:33:58 pm »
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Vagrant should be lower than moat, Patrician should also be lower.  Also I feel like Settlers will be higher.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition: $0-$2 Cards
« Reply #23 on: December 05, 2016, 02:20:13 pm »
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Scouting Party is better than Settlers. Patrician kind of sucks but people will get that eventually.

Traveling Fair is also criminally underrated, but perhaps I'm forgetting how good the other 20 $2 cost cards are.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition: $0-$2 Cards
« Reply #24 on: December 05, 2016, 02:27:19 pm »
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Patrician kind of sucks but people will get that eventually.

The problem with Patrician is that it's a late-game card that costs .  There's zero point in opening with it.  It's nice later in the game when you've actually built up your deck and want a little more consistency, but by that point the Emporia are kind of pointless, if they even ever get revealed at all.
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